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          WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. 
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GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. 
          WE HAD A 
          [Call to Order]
MESSAGE. 
          DAX IS RUNNING LATE, BUT WE'RE QUORUM, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. 
          UM, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER AT 9 0 2. 
          AND DO WE HAVE ANY CITIZENS COMMENTS? THERE ARE NO CITIZENS. 
          I DON'T THINK SO. 
          UM, ALL RIGHT. 
          ITEM, WELL, IT'S NOT AN ITEM. 
          [Council Comment]
CITY COUNCIL UPDATE PROVIDED BY LIAISON MEMBER RICHARD RUSSELL. 
          GOOD MORNING PARKS AND REC COUNCIL. 
          UM, JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE, UH, THAT WE HAD APPROVED. 
          UM, WE HAD APPROVED RESOLUTION 2026 DASH SEVEN 11, WHICH ALLOWED CITY STAFF TO APPLY TO THE TPWD PARKS GRANT FOR BESSIE'S CREEK. 
          UM, IN ADDITION, WE ALSO APPROVED AN EXTENSION OF THE RECOGNIZED SPORTS TEAM ASSOCIATION, RSA TERM FOR HTX SOCCER FROM A TWO YEAR TERM TO A FOUR YEAR TERM WITH THIS EXTENSION, THEY HAVE ALSO, UM, HTX WILL ALSO BE INSTALLING 25 FOOT LIGHTS ON FIELD B AT EAGLE LENDING PARK. 
          GREAT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? I DO. 
          WHAT DOES, DOES CITY COUNCIL HAVE TO APPROVE STAFF APPLYING FOR GRANTS? UM, ? YES. 
          SO FOR THAT GRANT IN PARTICULAR, WE DID NEED TO PUT A RESOLUTION OUT THERE. 
          SO YES, IN THAT SENSE WE DID, YES. 
          BUT USUALLY IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE GRANT REQUIREMENTS, BUT THAT ONE IN PARTICULAR NEEDED APPROVAL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          PERFECT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, RICHARD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ITEM FOUR, 
          [Business - A]
BUSINESS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE MEETING HELD ON JULY 10TH, 2026. 
          HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THROUGH THOSE? YES. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          MOTION'S BEEN MADE IN SECONDED. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          [Business - B]
ITEM B, DISCUSSION OF RESOLUTION 2026 DASH SEVEN FOUR. 
          NEW CODE OF CONDUCT FOR ALL APPOINTED BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND COMMITTEES, AND OVERVIEW OF THE ROLES, RESPONSIBILITIES, AUTHORITY, AND EXPECTATIONS OF THE CITY OF RE, PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION. 
          LET THE FUND BEGIN, I BELIEVE, IS THAT THE ATTORNEY? YES. 
          Q ARE Y'ALL ABLE TO SEE THAT FIRST SLIDE OF THE SLIDE DECK? YES. 
          YES. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          PERFECT. 
          UH, TRUST ME, YOU'D RATHER SEE THAT TO ME WORKING AT HOME. 
          IF YOU HEAR DOGS, IT'S JUST THEM PROTECTING ME FROM UPS POSTAL SERVICE AND SQUIRRELS. 
          SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THIS. 
          UH, MY NAME'S DAN SANT. 
          I'M WITH THE SAN ANTONIO OFFICE OF DENTON NAVARRO, AND, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE THE THIRD BOARD I'VE DONE SOME TRAINING FOR, AND I WAS TOLD I SCARED THE ZBOA. 
          SO I'M, THAT'S NOT MY INTENTION. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO SCARE ANYBODY. 
          TODAY WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH, UH, WHAT YOUR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ARE. 
          UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS IS A NEW MEMBER ORIENTATION AND THERE'S A NEW CODE OF CONDUCT. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA COVER THAT. 
          UM, AND I FOUND, HERE'S, HERE'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE, LEMME SEE IF I GET THIS SLIDE CHANGE. 
          THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA COVER TODAY. 
          SO THE PURPOSE AND AUTHORITY, UH, THE MEMBERSHIP TERMS, ORGANIZATION DUTIES AND POWERS, WHAT CONSTITUTES A MEETING FORM AND VOTING, AND THE CODE OF CONDUCT THAT WAS RECENTLY PASSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND IN GOING THROUGH THIS, I'M GONNA POINT OUT ON A COUPLE OF SLIDES WHERE I FOUND SOME INCONSISTENCIES THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED BETWEEN YOUR CODE AND, UM, WELL, YOUR CODE AND STATE LAW. 
          THERE'S SOME CONFLICTS THAT HAVE COME UP BECAUSE OF SOME RECENT CHANGES THAT, UH, WE'LL NEED TO ADDRESS AS WELL. 
          SO YOU ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD. 
          SO YOU ADVISE CITY COUNCIL ON THE PLANNING, USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF PARKS AND REC FACILITIES WITHIN THE JURISDICTION. 
          BE ADVISORY IN NATURE. 
          THAT MEANS YOU HAVE NO FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY. 
          UH, YOU'RE NOT TO DIRECT STAFF. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE AUTHORITY DIRECT STAFF. 
          YOU DO HAVE A STAFF LIAISON THAT YOU'LL COMMUNICATE THROUGH AND, AND PROVIDE INPUT THROUGH, AND YOU DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO EXPENSE CITY FUNDS, BUT YOU CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, 
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IN THAT REGARD. 
          THE REASON WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT, UH, BEING ADVISORY IN NATURE IS THAT UNDER STATE LAW, BEING A PURELY ADVISORY BOARD HAS, HAS A LOT MORE MEANING, I THINK, BECAUSE THAT CONTROLS, AT LEAST FROM THE STATE LAW PERSPECTIVE, WHEN, UH, CONFLICT OF INTEREST PROVISIONS APPLY TO YOU. 
          SO I'LL POINT OUT LATER WHERE YOU ARE HAVING, UH, REQUIREMENTS PUT UPON YOU LOCALLY THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY APPLY AT THE STATE LEVEL. 
          AND I'LL EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS BECAUSE IT'S, I THINK IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT FOR Y'ALL. 
          HERE ARE YOUR CORE RESPONSIBILITIES. 
          ADVISE THE COUNCIL ON PLANNING, USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF PARKS AND REC FACILITIES. 
          RECOMMEND AND OVERSEE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, RECOMMEND FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND HELP PROPOSE BUDGETS FOR IMPLEMENTATION. 
          FORMULATE MAINTENANCE AND SECURITY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PARK SYSTEM, MONITOR RECEIPT AND DISBURSEMENT OF REGIONAL PARK FUNDS, AND PERFORM OTHER PLANNING RELATED FUNCTIONS AS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL, YOU HAVE SEVEN RESIDENT MEMBERS. 
          YOU, YOU, PER YOUR CODE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE RESIDED WITHIN CHER'S CITY LIMITS FOR THE, AT LEAST SIX MONTHS BEFORE YOUR APPOINTMENT. 
          AND, UH, ALSO FROM YOUR CODE. 
          THE CITY MANAGER DESIGNEE MAY SERVE AS A NON-VOTING EX-OFFICIO MEMBER. 
          SO MEANING THEY CAN, THEY, THEY SIT WITH YOU, UH, THEY HAVE INPUT ON THINGS, BUT THEY DON'T VOTE. 
          THEY'RE REALLY THERE TO BE A, A, A STRONG VOICE, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY MANAGER, UH, COUNCIL LIAISON, YOU ALSO CAN HAVE A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER APPOINTED TO SERVE ON THE COMMISSION CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY CHARTER. 
          AND THE CITY COUNCIL CAN CHANGE THE NUMBERING QUALIFICATIONS IF THEY SO WISH, AS LONG AS IT'S IN ACCORDANCE WITH ANYTHING THAT IS PLACED IN CHARTER. 
          SO THIS IS HOW YOUR TERMS ARE STAGGERED. 
          YOU HAVE FOUR MEMBERS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO EXPIRE ON JUNE 1ST AND EVEN YEARS, AND THREE IN ODD YEARS. 
          YOU ALSO HAVE A PROVISION THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT BE APPOINTED FOR A TERM EXCEEDING TO YOU. 
          SO YOUR TERM IS TWO YEARS. 
          AND, UM, YOU CAN, IF THERE'S A VACANCY, THEN ANY APPOINTMENT TO THAT VACANCY IS JUST FOR THE REMAINING UNEXPIRED TERM. 
          AND ALSO, NEW MEMBERS ARE INSTALLED AT THE FIRST REGULAR SPECIAL MEETING AFTER APPOINTMENT. 
          AND THIS IS DONE BY RESOLUTION, AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY CHARTER. 
          YOU CAN BE REMOVED AT ANY TIME YOU SERVE WITH THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND SO YOU CAN BE REMOVED IF, UH, IF THEY SO DESIRE YOUR CHAIRPERSON AND VICE CHAIR ARE ELECTED ANNUALLY, UH, AT THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY. 
          NOW, YOU KNOW, IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT FATAL, OBVIOUSLY THAT CAN HAPPEN AT, AT OTHER TIMES. 
          BUT THIS IS JUST TAKEN STRAIGHT FROM YOUR, FROM YOUR CITY CODE AND WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE. 
          AND THE VICE CHAIR, AS YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THEY ACT IN PLACE OF THE CHAIRPERSON THERE ASA THERE'S A TWO TERM LIMIT. 
          SO YOU CAN'T SERVE MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE 12 MONTH TERMS AS THE CHAIRPERSON. 
          AND ALSO THE CITY STAFF SERVES AS YOU'RE RECORDING SECRETARY. 
          THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OFFICIAL MIN MINUTES AND ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS AND NEEDS. 
          AND AT ANY TIME YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR IF ANYTHING THAT I SAY IS INCONSISTENT WITH PRACTICES, LET ME KNOW. 
          BECAUSE WE NEED TO EITHER AMEND THE CODE OR AMEND OUR PRACTICES IF WE'RE NOT BEING CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IT SAYS. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION IF SURE. 
          WHEN YOU SAY THAT SOMEONE CAN BE REMOVED, UM, BY CITY COUNCIL, IS THAT A, IS THAT A MAJORITY VOTE? IS IT A, HOW DOES THAT TAKE PLACE? YES. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          ACTION BY COUNCIL IS ALWAYS BY COUNCIL AS A BODY, UNLESS SOMETHING SAYS OTHERWISE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, AND I BELIEVE IN PUL, YEAH, IT WOULD, WOULD TAKE THE MAJORITY VOTE OF THE COUNCIL, OR AT LEAST A MAJORITY VOTE WITH A QUORUM PRESENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I GOT A QUESTION. 
          THIS IS ZACH RI MM-HMM . 
          UH, YEAH, I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR, FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW, AND IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN AMAZING. 
          BUT, UH, I JUST RECENTLY MOVED TO WESTIN LAKES. 
          UH, DOES THAT PRECLUDE ME FROM BEING, UH, ABLE TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD MOVING FORWARD? SO YOU NO LONGER LIVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS? UH, NO. 
          I, I, I LIVE IN WESTIN LAKES NOW. 
          I STILL OWN PROPERTY IN THE CITY LIMITS, UH, RIGHT. 
          SO JUST SOLD THE PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND BUY ANOTHER HOUSE IN WESTIN LAKES, WHICH IS NOT CITY LIMITS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I'M GONNA DEFER TO CHARLIE, ZACK, WHO FUNCTIONS AS THE CITY ATTORNEY THERE. 
          BUT FROM MY READING OF IT, YES, THAT WOULD PRECLUDE YOU FROM CONTINUING TO SERVE, UH, AT LEAST FROM WHAT I'VE LOOKED THROUGH. 
          BUT THAT'S, UM, THAT IS SOMETHING FOR STAFF TO VISIT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT FOR SURE. 
          THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS, WOULD I FINISH OUT MY TERM OR WOULD I IMMEDIATELY, UH, UH, YEAH. 
          SO TYPICALLY NO, THAT, THAT WOULD NOT BE THE CASE. 
          BUT 
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AGAIN, UH, LET US FOLLOW UP ON THAT. 
          YEAH, SURE. 
          SO YEAH, WE NEED, 'CAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE I GOTCHA. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          SO THESE ARE WHAT YOUR DUTIES AND POWERS ARE. 
          AND THE, I TELL YOU, THE FUN THING ABOUT GOING THROUGH DUTIES AND POWERS OF BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS OFTEN THEY MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THAT. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO LEARN AND, AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT EXACTLY SHOULD YOU BE DOING REGULAR INSPECT CITY PARKS AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES. 
          AND I WOULDN'T HAVE GUESSED THAT IF I WERE ON A PARKS AND REC COMMISSION, BUT IT MAKES SENSE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT, RIGHT? SO I, I THINK THERE'S AN EXPECTATION BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THIS, THIS, THIS COMMISSION THAT YOU DO REGULARLY USE THE PARKS AND, AND SEE THE FACILITIES. 
          AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, UH, THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT YOU PASS ALONG INFORMATION THROUGH YOUR LIAISON, UH, SO THAT THINGS CAN BE LOOKED AT. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME AND, AND I HAD A GREAT PARKS AND REC COMMISSION IN ABILENE, TEXAS WHERE I WAS THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          I WAS UP THERE FOR ABOUT 18 YEARS, AND THEY WERE SO ACTIVE, AND THEY WOULD BE OUT THERE LOOKING AT THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. 
          THEY'D BE LOOKING AT THE ZOO. 
          THEY WOULD, THEY WERE VERY ACTIVE AND VERY INVOLVED IN ALWAYS TRYING TO, UM, IMPROVE WHAT THEY HAD. 
          AND THAT EVEN INCLUDED, IF THEY'RE IN ANOTHER CITY, MAKING SURE THEY GO BY AND SEE HOW THAT CITY'S DOING, WHAT THEIR PARKS LOOK LIKE, TAKE PICTURES. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO KEEP IN MIND, BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE ONLY, WHAT, WHEN IT'S, IT'S, UH, TEMPTING TO SAY, HEY, I'M ONLY AN ADVISORY COMMISSION. 
          I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY AUTHORITY. 
          YOU HAVE A LOT OF INFLUENCE. 
          AND THEY'RE COUNTING ON YOU TO USE THAT INFLUENCE AND TO USE THAT, THAT INPUT, UH, TO IMPROVE THE PARK SYSTEM. 
          AND I THINK THAT WITH FULL GROWING AT THE RATE, IT IS, THAT'S A CRITICAL THING TO REGULARLY INSPECT. 
          NOT, I WOULD SAY, NOT JUST YOUR CITY PARKS AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES. 
          WHEN YOU SEE SOME OTHER CITY DOING IT RIGHT AND YOU LIKE WHAT THEY'RE DOING, TAKE THOSE PICTURES, WRITE UP SOME NOTES, GET THOSE BACK TO YOUR STAFF SO THAT THEY CAN INVESTIGATE AS WELL. 
          HELP FORMULATE AND RECOMMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE AND PARKS MASTER PLANS. 
          THAT'S YOUR ROADMAP INTO THE FUTURE. 
          WHAT YOU WANT YOUR PARK SYSTEM TO LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD, WHETHER THAT'S INTERCONNECTING TRAILS, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST WHERE PARKS, WHERE, WHERE, WHERE YOU HAVE POCKETS OF YOUR CITY THAT ARE UNDERSERVED THAT MAYBE YOU NEED TO LOOK AT, UH, EXPANDING WHETHER THAT MEANS PARKLAND, YOUR PARKLAND DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS IN YOUR UDC, THAT'S ALL PART OF THAT REVIEW AND RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL OF PLANS, IMPLEMENTATION AND RELATED EXPENDITURES. 
          STUDY AND RECOMMEND A LOCATION EXTENSION IN PLANNING OF PUBLIC PARKS AND PLACES. 
          INITIATE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON OPENING VACATING OR CLOSING PARKS OR PUBLIC SPACES. 
          UH, RECOMMEND POLICIES AND REGULATIONS AND STAY INFORMED ON PLANNING PRACTICES. 
          STATEWIDE, THERE IS A, THERE IS A STATEWIDE ORGANIZATION FOR PARKS AND REC. 
          UH, THEY DO HAVE CONFERENCES AS WELL. 
          THEY HAVE A GROUP AT AT TML AND, UH, SO COORDINATOR VISIT WITH STAFF TML IS, UH, IN SAN ANTONIO THIS YEAR. 
          BUT IF THERE'S THINGS THAT YOU CAN ATTEND THAT WILL HELP YOU DO YOUR JOB BETTER AS A PARK AND RECREATION, UH, BOARD MEMBER, THEN, THEN AVAIL YOURSELF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WHEN YOU CAN. 
          UH, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT STAFF APPRECIATES THAT, AND I KNOW THAT COUNCIL APPRECIATES THAT WHEN THEY HAVE YOUR INPUT. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS I'LL TOUCH ON HERE IS NUMBER FIVE, THOUGH, WHERE IT SAYS, INITIATE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON OPENING, VACATING, OR CLOSING PARKS OR PUBLIC PLACES. 
          FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH THE PROVISIONS ALSO IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE, UM, WITH PARKLAND, WITH, WITH, UH, THERE, THERE ARE SECTIONS IN THERE. 
          I DON'T HAVE THEM IN THIS SLIDE DECK. 
          THERE'S, I KNOW YOUR STAFF'S FAMILIAR WITH THEM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, PARKLAND'S DIFFERENT THAN OTHER, ANY OTHER PROPERTY THE CITY OWNS. 
          GENERALLY, WHEN THE CITY OWNS PROPERTY, THERE ARE STEPS IT HAS TO FOLLOW THAT INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, UH, ADVERTISING AND SEAL BIDS OR AUCTIONS AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT. 
          PARKLAND IS DIFFERENT. 
          UH, PARKLAND, UH, MOST OFTEN REQUIRES A VOTE OF THE PUBLIC BEFORE YOU GET RID OF PARKLAND. 
          UM, AND SO IT MATTERS HOW PARKLAND IS DEDICATED AND ACCEPTED FROM THE BEGINNING. 
          AND SO IF THAT'S, IF LAND COMES IN AS PARKLAND THROUGH DEDICATION AND ACCEPTANCE BY THE CITY, THEN IT'S GOING TO, UH, HAVE A FEW MORE HOOPS THAT HAVE TO BE JUMPED THROUGH IF THE CITY'S EVER GONNA DIVEST ITSELF WITH THAT PARKLAND. 
          THE ONLY REASON I BRING THAT UP IS BECAUSE THAT'S THE LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE THAT THE STATE PLACES UPON PARKLAND FOR THE PEOPLE. 
          SO THIS IS ONE OF THE INCONSISTENCIES IN YOUR CITY CODE. 
          I CHANGED IT ON THIS SLIDE DECK SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE. 
          I KNOW YOUR STAFF IS UP TO SPEED ON THIS. 
          UH, YOUR CODE STILL SAYS 72 HOURS, UH, THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT CHANGED TO THREE BUSINESS DAYS. 
          SO YOUR POSTING HAS TO BE THREE BUSINESS DAYS IN ADVANCE OF YOUR MEETING. 
          AND THAT IS NOT, UH, SO THE HOUR DOESN'T MATTER ANYMORE. 
          IT HAS TO BE THE FULL 
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BUSINESS DAYS. 
          UM, MAJORITY OF VOTING MEMBERS PRESENT CONSTITUTES A QUORUM FOR CALLED MEETINGS. 
          AND, UH, MAJORITY OF THE VOTES OF THE MEMBERS PRESENT IS REQUIRED TO APPROVE OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF ANY MATTER. 
          AND SO FOR THAT PURPOSES, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE SEVEN MEMBERS. 
          SO FOUR CONSTITUTES A QUORUM. 
          SO THREE, IF YOU ONLY HAVE FOUR PRESENT, A VOTE OF THREE MEMBERS, UH, WOULD BE REQUIRED TO RE ANY MEMBER MAY MAKE A MOTION. 
          AND THE CHAIRPERSON MAY VOTE ON ALL MATTERS BEFORE THE COMMISSION. 
          UH, SOMETIMES, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, IT'S, IT'S, I HAVE BEEN SURPRISED HOW MANY, UH, CHAIRS, I'LL, I'LL GO TO A MEETING AND, AND THEY DON'T VOTE. 
          AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS ASSUMPTION THAT, WELL, I'M THE CHAIR. 
          I DON'T, NOW THAT'S USUALLY PREVALENT IN CITIES WHERE THE MAYOR DOESN'T VOTE, UM, OR DOESN'T HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE FOR THE CHARTER. 
          AND SO OFTEN CHAIRMAN AT THE COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES IN THOSE CITIES DON'T REALIZE THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE. 
          BUT YOUR CODE IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE CHAIR CHAIRPERSON MAY VOTE AND ANY MEMBER CAN MAKE A MOTION, INCLUDING EACH. 
          NOW, THERE IS ONE UNIQUE THING HERE ON THE BOTTOM. 
          A REQUEST NOT RESOLVED BY THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING IF IT FAILS TO SECURE MAJORITY IS RECORDED IN THE MINUTES AS A DENIAL. 
          SO THAT IS SOMEWHAT SO PER YOUR CODE DISQUALIFICATION FROM VOTING, THIS IS ALL YOUR CODE SAYS. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS MORE BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO GET INTO THE, WHAT THE COUNCIL RECENTLY ADOPTED AS FAR AS CODE OF CONDUCT AND ETHICS. 
          YOU'RE DISQUALIFIED FROM VOTING ON A MATTER BEFORE THE COMMISSION. 
          IF YOU HAVE PERSONAL OR MONETARY INTEREST. 
          A MEMBER SHALL BE DISQUALIFIED FROM VOTING, WHETHER PERSONAL OR MONETARY INTEREST EXISTS IN THE ISSUE OR THE OUTCOME WILL DIRECTLY AFFECT THE MEMBER'S DECISION. 
          BUT YOUR CODE DOESN'T TELL YOU WHAT THAT MEANS. 
          BUT WE'RE GONNA TRY TO PUT SOME MEAT ON THOSE BONES HERE SHORTLY. 
          AND I WANT TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THIS REQUIREMENT AND WHAT THE, A TRUE, THE TRUE STATE LAW REQUIREMENT IS. 
          ALSO, NUMBER TWO, IMPROPER INFLUENCE. 
          A MEMBER MAY DISQUALIFY THEMSELVES WHENEVER AN APPLICANT OR THEIR AGENT HAS SOUGHT TO INFLUENCE THE MEMBERS VOTE OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THAT GETS INTO OPEN MEETINGS ACT SITUATIONS, WHICH ARE ALSO, UM, BEING APPLIED TO YOU EVEN AS A, AN ADVISORY BOARD. 
          UM, THOSE STATE LAW WOULD PROBABLY NOT, UM, APPLY TO THE SAME EXTENT, BUT WE'LL GO FORWARD AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE THINGS. 
          SO, MEMBER CODE OF CONDUCT AND ETHICS POLICY. 
          THIS WAS ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 16TH OF THIS YEAR, RESOLUTION 20 26, 7 1 4. 
          AND THEY DID THIS TO ESTABLISH CLEAR UNIFORM GUIDELINES FOR PROFESSIONAL BEHAVIOR, ROLE CLARITY, AND ETHICAL STANDARDS. 
          IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          I LOVE IT WHEN, WHEN CITY COUNCILS PUT THINGS IN PLACE TO TRY TO GET UNIFORMITY AND CONSISTENCY ACROSS THEIR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. 
          THE OTHER PART OF THAT THOUGH, THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS MAKING SURE, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS LEGAL COUNSEL, MAKING SURE THAT THOSE BOARD COMMITTEE AND COMMISSION MEMBERS UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A VIOLATION OF STATE LAW AND THE VIOLATION OF A LOCAL POLICY. 
          SO THIS POLICY APPLIES TO ALL APPOINTED BOARD MEMBERS COMMITTEE AND COMMISSION MEMBERS TASK FORCE. 
          EVERY MEMBER MUST READ AND SIGN AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT UPON APPOINTMENT OR REAPPOINTMENT. 
          AND SO I, I EXPECT THAT, UM, YOU WILL BE ASKED TO DO THAT. 
          AND THE WHOLE REASON WHY COUNCILS DO THIS IS THIS LAST BULLET POINT. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT MATTERS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE TO TELL Y'ALL THIS RIGHT NOW. 
          LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS UNDER SO MUCH SCRUTINY, UH, BOTH FROM THE STATE AND NATIONAL LEVELS. 
          UM, BUT LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS, IS HONESTLY THE BACKBONE FOR EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN, IN, IN ALL OF THIS COUNTRY, NOT JUST TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT ARE THE DECISION. 
          STATE GOVERNMENT DIDN'T LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, OKAY, IF IF THERE'S NOTHING ON THAT. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S WHY IT MATTERS. 
          UH, AND BY BEING TRANSPARENCY, BY HAVING CONSISTENCY, IT INCREASES THE LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE THAT YOUR LOCAL CITIZENS HAVE IN THE PROCESS. 
          UH, THERE ARE SIX FOCUS AREAS IN THIS, IN THIS NEW CONDUCT AND ETHICS, POLICY, REPRESENTATION OF THE CITY, COMMUNICATION PROTOCOLS, PUBLIC CONDUCT, SOCIAL MEDIA CONDUCT, CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND ETHICS, AND MEETING CONDUCT AND COMMITMENT. 
          SO FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT THE STANDARDS 
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JUST BASICALLY HIGHER. 
          IF YOU SERVE ON A BOARD COMMITTEE OR COMMISSION OR THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU ALREADY KNOW THE STANDARDS ARE HIGHER FOR YOU, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC BEHAVIOR AND THAT YOU DON'T, THERE'S, THERE'S THIS TENDENCY, I HEAR THE COMMENT ALL THE TIME WHEN I'M DOING BOARD TRAINING, THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE ON YOUR CITY HAT, AND I'M JUST, LET ME JUST TELL YOU THAT HAT'S ON 24 7. 
          IN THIS DAY AND AGE, IT USED TO BE BEFORE SOCIAL MEDIA WAS SO PREVALENT, MAYBE YOU COULD, YOU COULD BE INCOGNITO. 
          SOMETIMES YOU COULD JUST BE YOURSELF. 
          BUT LISTEN, WHEN I WAS, WHEN I WAS CITY ATTORNEY IN THE CITY OF ABILENE, 120,000, SOME PEOPLE, IT DIDN'T MATTER WHERE I WAS. 
          I WAS THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND PEOPLE WOULD COME UP AND ASK ME QUESTIONS. 
          I COULD BE COACHING MY, MY KIDS BALL GAMES. 
          I COULD BE PASSING THE PLATE AT CHURCH. 
          IT JUST DIDN'T MATTER. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          I THINK, I THINK THAT YOU ARE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY OF RE 24 7. 
          UH, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU DO NEED TO BE MINDFUL, CONDUCT YOURSELF WITH PROFESSIONALISM, DIGNITY, COURTESY, RESPECT AT ALL TIMES. 
          YOU NEED TO, UH, FOSTER PRODUCTIVE, RESPECTFUL DIALOGUE. 
          AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, THE COUNCIL IN, IN PARTICULAR EXPECTS OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS THAT THEY APPOINT, IS THAT YOU ARE A VOICE FOR THE COUNCIL, AND THEY'RE NOT THERE. 
          YOU ARE CARRYING FORWARD A VISION THAT THEY HAVE SET AND THE MISSION STATEMENTS THAT THEY HAVE ADOPTED FOR THIS ASPECT OF CITY GOVERNANCE. 
          YOU ARE THEIR PROXY. 
          SO THEY EXPECT THAT WHEN YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE CITY, THAT YOU WILL DO SO. 
          WITH THAT IN MIND, THEY'RE ALSO COMMUNICATION PROTOCOLS THAT ARE IMPORTANT. 
          THEY WANT YOU TO WORK THROUGH DESIGNATED STAFF LIAISONS AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY MANAGER, ESCALATE CONCERNS TO THE CITY MANAGER FIRST, THEN THE COUNCIL LIAISON OR MAYOR. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BASIC CHAIN OF COMMAND COMMUNICATION, STARTING AT THE LEVEL, AT THE, AT THE LEVEL MOST CLOSELY RELATED TO YOUR BOARD COMMISSION. 
          NOW, THERE'S ONE ON HERE ABOUT PROTECTING CONFIDENTIALITY IN EXECUTIVE SESSIONS AND USING CITY INFORMATION ONLY FOR OFFICIAL PURPOSES. 
          THAT SECOND PART IN PARTICULAR WILL APPLY TO YOU. 
          HOWEVER, UH, DOUG WOULD NEVER EXPECT THIS, THIS COMMISSION TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY FINAL RULEMAKING AUTHORITY. 
          UM, AND AVOID LOBBYING INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, POLICY AUTHORITY, REST WITH COUNSEL AS FIVE. 
          SO I WANNA FOCUS ON THESE LAST TWO BULLET POINTS. 
          BECAUSE OF YOUR ROLE, UH, YOU MAY HAVE ACCESS TO OR BE PROVIDED INFORMATION THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          AND THAT'S EXCITING. 
          HONESTLY, NOBODY'S GONNA DENY THAT. 
          RIGHT? I KNOW SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW, RIGHT? WE'VE DONE THAT SINCE WE WERE IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          YOU KNOW, WE LOVE KNOWING THINGS THAT SOMEONE ELSE DOESN'T KNOW AND LETTING 'EM KNOW THAT WE KNOW SOMETHING. 
          THEY DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CANNOT USE THAT INFORMATION FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN OFFICIAL PURPOSES. 
          SO IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE, IT COULD BE SOMETHING LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NEW SPLASH PAD COMING TO SOME NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT IT'S NOT READY FOR PUBLIC TO BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC. 
          WE DON'T NEED 'EM TO, THAT'S INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO, TO HOLD ONTO AND, UH, NOT USE EXCEPT FOR OFFICIAL PURPOSES. 
          ALSO, THE LOBBYING ASPECT, THIS JUST MEANS THAT, UH, AND THIS, THIS DOES COME UP FROM TIME TO TIME. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE MAJORITY ON AN ISSUE OR IF YOU JUST ARE PARTICULARLY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT, YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS PASSED BY THE COUNCIL. 
          THERE CAN BE, THERE CAN BE A DESIRE TO, YOU KNOW, GO AND HAVE THE AREA COUNCIL MEMBERS AND, AND EXPRESS YOUR VIEWS TO 'EM, BUT THEIR POLICY SAYS TO AVOID DOING THAT. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S HUMAN NATURE. 
          WE KNOW THAT IT CAN, IT CAN BE, UH, HARD TO RESIST AND WE KNOW IT GOES ON. 
          BUT THE OFFICIAL POLICY SAYS THAT YOU WILL AVOID LOBBYING INDIVIDUAL COUNSEL MEMBERS. 
          SO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. 
          AND I WOULD SAY RESPECT THEIR, THEIR REQUESTS AS FAR AS PUBLIC CONDUCT, TREAT ALL RESIDENTS WITH RESPECT. 
          AND I IMPARTIALITY, I'M SORRY, CAN WE STOP? I'M HERE. 
          CAN WE, CAN WE GIVE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OUR OPINION? I MEAN, DOES THAT COUNT AS LOBBYING? WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DEFINE LOBBYING? YEAH, I THINK, I, I THINK THAT DOES, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO CONVINCE A COUNCIL MEMBER TO, TO, UH, GO WITH YOUR IDEAS, RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUCH, I THINK THE CORE PRINCIPLE IS THAT BOARDS, COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS SPEAK AS A BODY. 
          AND SO YOUR OFFICIAL POSITION, YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS GIVEN AS SUCH AS A BODY. 
          AND NOW, IF A COUNCIL MEMBER SEEKS OUT YOUR OPINION, CERTAINLY YOU CAN SHARE YOUR OPINION WITH THEM. 
          BUT I THINK THIS IS, UH, THE AVOID LOBBYING INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS. 
          AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW, YOU KNOW, LOBBYING WHEN WE SEE IT, RIGHT? GOING, GOING MEMBER TO MEMBER OR GOING TO MEMBER, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT OF VIEW AND YOUR POSITION ON SOMETHING AND EXPRESSING THAT TO THEM 
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TO TRY TO GET THEM TO, UH, CARRY FORWARD YOUR OPINION. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK THE CORE PRINCIPLE IS THAT YOU SPEAK AS A BODY, RIGHT? AND WHAT IF IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PARKS? SO JUST AS, AS A CITIZEN, YOUR OPINIONS ON, ON SOME OTHER ISSUE BEFORE THE MATTER, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T LOSE YOUR RIGHTS AS A CITIZEN, YOU KNOW? SO I THINK THIS IS REFERRING TO, AS YOU'RE IN YOUR ROLE AS A MEMBER OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION, THANK YOU, PUBLIC CONDUCT AND SOCIAL MEDIA, TREAT ALL RESIDENTS WITH RESPECT AND IMPARTIALITY, DISTINGUISHED PERSONAL OPINIONS FROM OFFICIAL STATEMENTS ONLY. 
          THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE. 
          AND THAT GOES, THAT GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THE LOBBYING, RIGHT? IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE OUT, I THINK IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT IF YOU ARE, HA EVEN WHEN YOU'RE HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH SOMEONE THAT HAS MAYBE BEEN BEFORE THE PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD, YES, YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T FORFEIT YOUR RIGHTS AS PRIVATE CITIZENS, RIGHT? HOWEVER, AND, AND THAT'S THE LITTLE, UH, FOOTNOTE ON THIS SLIDE. 
          YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING YOUR OWN OPINION FOR YOURSELF VERSUS ON BEHALF OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION. 
          AND THAT'S CRITICAL. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO THE PUBLIC THAT THAT IS CLEAR. 
          UH, THOSE LINES CAN BE BLURRED. 
          YOU COULD BE MISQUOTED. 
          YOU KNOW, THINGS CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO THE PARKS AND REX BOARD WHEN THEY, YOU DIDN'T INTEND THAT YOU WERE, YOU TRIED TO MAKE IT CLEAR YOU WERE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF YOURSELF. 
          UH, THAT'S PARTICULARLY CHALLENGING WITH SOCIAL MEDIA BECAUSE THERE'S NO CONTEXT. 
          YOU KNOW, PEOPLE READ SOMETHING ONLINE, DOESN'T HAVE THE FULL CONTEXT. 
          UM, OR THEY TAKE A, A LARGER QUOTE AND THEY SNIP IT DOWN. 
          THEY REPOST IT. 
          I MEAN, IT, IT CAN GET OUTTA HAND REALLY QUICK. 
          I SEE IT ON THE DAILY. 
          I SEE IT, AND I GET ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. 
          UM, SO IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A CHALLENGE. 
          IT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE. 
          AND IT'S PARTICULARLY A CHALLENGE ON SOCIAL MEDIA IN THE POLICY. 
          UH, IT, IT MAKES IT CLEAR. 
          DO NOT PRESENT YOUR PERSONAL OPINIONS AS OFFICIAL CITY POSITIONS. 
          DO NOT ENGAGE IN ONLINE CONDUCT THAT DAMAGES PUBLIC TRUST OR REFLECTS NEGATIVELY ON THE CITY. 
          PROMOTE POSITIVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          COMMUNICATE RESPECTFULLY AND RESPONSIBLY. 
          AND REMEMBER, PUBLIC PERCEPTION REFLECTS ON THE CITY OF CULTURE. 
          SUCH A CHALLENGE ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BECAUSE WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS BECAUSE EVERY, THIS HAPPENS, ALL THIS, RIGHT? YOU READ SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST, YOU KNOW, IS NOT ACCURATE OR MISREPRESENTS WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON. 
          AND OUR TENDENCY IS TO FIX IT. 
          WE WANNA FIX IT. 
          WE'RE LIKE, I CAN FIX THIS. 
          LET ME CORRECT THIS. 
          LET ME JUST, LET ME JUST GO ON HERE AND SAY A FEW THINGS. 
          AND THAT'S JUST TAKING DEBATE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T END. 
          IT'S JUST GONNA BE A BACK AND FORTH. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE POINT, COUNTERPOINT, AND YOU CAN'T WIN. 
          UH, YOU CAN'T WIN THAT DEBATE OFTEN IN THAT, IN THAT CONTEXT. 
          AND SO, WHEN YOU SEE THOSE THINGS ONLINE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT THOSE OUT TO YOUR STAFF LIAISON AND LET THEM FORMULATE A RESPONSE IF NEEDED ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, AN OFFICIAL RESPONSE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. 
          THEY HAVE PEOPLE TO WORK ON THAT ON YOUR BEHALF, PUT YOUR INPUT THROUGH THEM AND, UM, STEER CLEAR OF GETTING YOURSELF ENGAGED IN THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, IF POSSIBLE. 
          VERY CHALLENGING. 
          TRUST ME, I KNOW. 
          CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND COMMITMENT TO SERVICE. 
          SO HERE IS WHAT YOUR LOCAL POLICY SAYS. 
          AND THIS, WHERE, THIS IS WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE INCONSISTENCY WITH THE ADOPTED PROVISIONS IN THE CODE, UH, FOR YOUR, WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT INCONSISTENCY. 
          THIS IS MORE SPECIFIC. 
          IT TALKS ABOUT COMPLIANCE WITH TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 1 71, AND DISCLOSE AND RECUSE THEMSELVES WHEN A CONFLICT ARISE. 
          NOW, SO HERE'S THE THING ABOUT GOVERNMENT CODE CHAPTER 1 71, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR, THAT'S THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST STATUTE FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          IT APPLIES TO ELECTED PUBLIC OFFICIALS, UH, NOT WELL, NOT JUST ELECTED. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU ARE A PUBLIC OFFICIAL, BY DEFINITION, IT APPLIES TO YOU BY STATE LAW, WHETHER THEY SAY ANYTHING LOCAL OR NOT. 
          THIS IS WHAT YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. 
          IT'S WHAT THE ZBOA HAS TO COMPLY WITH. 
          IT'S WHAT THE EDC HAS TO COMPLY WITH. 
          AND IT HAS TO DO WITH CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. 
          WELL, LET ME BACK UP. 
          EDC COMPLIES WITH THE NONPROFIT CORPORATIONS ACT, THOSE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST PROVISIONS. 
          BUT THIS WOULD APPLY EVEN THIS TO THEM AS WELL. 
          IT'S DIFFERENT BECAUSE THAT GETS INTO THE PERCENTAGE OF OWNERSHIP OF PROPERTY. 
          UH, IT GOES OUT TO THE FIRST DEGREE OF CONSANGUINITY AFFINITY. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND IT, IT'S A BROAD NET ON CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. 
          YOU NEED TO FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH THAT BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL IS APPLYING THAT TO YOU, EVEN IN STATE LAW WOULD NOT. 
          AND WHY THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION IS IF YOU VIOLATE CHAPTER 1 71 AND IT, AND IT APPLIES TO YOU UNDER THE STATE LAW, IT'S A MISDEMEANOR, 
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OKAY? IF YOU VIOLATE IT AS A MEMBER OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION, IT'S A VIOLATION OF A LOCAL ORDINANCE. 
          IF IT, IF, IF UNDER YOUR CODE, AND IT'S A VIOLATION OF LOCAL POLICY, IT IS NOT A CLASS B MISDEMEANOR UNDER STATE LAW. 
          NOW, THAT'S NOT ME TELLING YOU. 
          DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. 
          YOU , YOU'RE, YOU'RE, IT JUST MEANS YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO TO JAIL, OKAY? IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU SHOULDN'T ABIDE BY THE WISHES OF THE COUNSEL AND COMPLY WITH 1 71, HOW THAT WOULD, UH, HOW THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY FOR A PARKS AND REC COMMISSION. 
          YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THAT THERE WAS A PROPOSED, UH, IMPROVEMENTS, A BIG SCALE, LARGE SCALE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARK, RIGHT ADJACENT TO YOUR HOME. 
          AND THERE WAS THIS IDEA, OR YOU BELIEVED THAT IT WOULD ENHANCE THE VALUE OF YOUR PROPERTY. 
          SO YOU WERE GOING TO VOTE AND PUSH HARD TO GET THAT PASSED. 
          AND THINGS SUCH AS THAT. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT'S, I'M TRYING TO ENVISION HOW THIS WOULD COME INTO PLAY. 
          THAT'S ONE, THAT'S ONE MANNER IN WHICH IT WOULD COME INTO PLAY. 
          UH, IF THAT WERE THE CASE FOR YOU, WHAT, WHAT THIS POLICY WOULD DO AND WHAT YOUR, YOUR CODE WOULD DO, WOULD, WOULD EXPECT YOU TO ABSTAIN FROM THE DISCUSSION AND VOTING ON THAT ITEM. 
          NOW, CHAPTER 1 71 REQUIRES THAT BY AFFIDAVIT, LIKE YOU HAVE TO SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT THAT SAYS THAT I HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AND YOU HAVE TO DO IT BEFORE THE ITEM IS HEARD. 
          UH, BECAUSE THAT STATE LAW, UM, WOULD NOT OTHERWISE APPLY. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT BECAUSE THEY SAY YOU WILL COMPLY WITH 1 71, THAT THAT WOULD ALSO BE THE CASE, EVEN AT THE LOCAL LEVEL AT YOUR PARKS AND RED, YOU WOULD BE EXPECTED TO SIGN AN AFFIDAVIT AHEAD OF THE ITEM, RECUSING YOURSELF, AND YOU WOULD FOLLOW THE LOCAL POLICY AND RULES WITH REGARD TO REMOVING YOURSELF FROM THE DIOCESE AND NOT PARTICIPATING. 
          IF YOU HAVE TO ABSTAIN ON AN ITEM, THAT MEANS YOU ABSTAIN FROM ALL DISCUSSION OF THAT ITEM, NOT JUST THE VOTE. 
          SO YOU, YOU ARE NOT A PARTICIPANT, YOU ARE NOT EVEN CONSIDERED PRESENT FOR THAT ITEM. 
          SO, UM, ANYWAY, SO THAT'S THE DISTINCTION THOUGH, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE IS A, THERE IS SOME, THERE ARE SOME NUANCES BETWEEN WHEN STATE LAW APPLIES CHAPTER 1 71 TO YOU, VERSUS WHEN THE LOCAL REQUIREMENTS APPLY THAT TO YOU. 
          BUT THE ONLY DIFFERENCE, HONESTLY, IS IN THE VIOLATION. 
          AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S A VIOLATION. 
          DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THE, THE DISTINCTION I'M MAKING? YES. 
          YES. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH REGARDING THE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, JUST BECAUSE THIS HAS COME UP BEFORE. 
          YEP. 
          UM, IF WE ARE VOTING ON WHO WE WOULD RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL FOR TO RECEIVE AN RSA, HOWEVER, THERE ARE PEOPLE ONE THIS COMMISSION THAT HAVE CHILDREN THAT PLAY FOR CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE APPLIED. 
          IS THAT A CONFLICT? IS THAT A PERSONAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST? SO UNDER, UNDER 1 71? WELL, TWO THINGS. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I'LL ANSWER THIS QUESTION TODAY. 
          HOWEVER, UNDERSTAND THAT THE ATTORNEYS FOR THE CITY OF RE DO NOT REPRESENT YOU IN YOUR, IN YOUR PERSONAL CAPACITY. 
          OKAY? THAT MATTERS BECAUSE THEY CANNOT ADVISE YOU IF YOU HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST BECAUSE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, BY THEIR NATURE ARE PERSONAL. 
          THEY'RE NOT THE CONFLICT OF THE CITY. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND SO, SO IF IT DON'T, DON'T, DON'T EVER, DON'T EVER BE OFFENDED IF YOU ASK THE ATTORNEY WHO, IF THERE'S AN ATTORNEY PRESENT FOR YOUR BOARD MEETING OR SOMETHING, IF YOU HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND THEY TELL YOU, I CAN'T ADVISE YOU ON THAT. 
          'CAUSE THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN ADVISE YOU WHAT THE LAW SAYS AND, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO APPLY THAT LAW TO YOUR SITUATION OR CONSULT WITH A PERSONAL ATTORNEY. 
          AND THAT'S NOT TO BE ME. 
          IT'S BECAUSE WE REPRESENT THE ENTITY AND NOT THE INDIVIDUALS IN THEIR INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY. 
          AND SO CONFLICTS ARE BY NATURE, PERSONAL. 
          UM, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT CONFLICTS OF INTEREST IS THAT IF, IF THE, THE CORE TEST IS, IS THEY'RE GOING TO BE AN IMPACT ON YOU, THAT IS DIFFERENT AND SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          SO IF SOMETHING IS GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT ON YOU THAT IT WOULDN'T HAVE ON THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THEN THAT IS SOMETHING YOU SHOULD LOOK AT CLOSER TO AND ASK YOURSELF, HEY, DO I HAVE ANY BIAS? DO I HAVE ANY, ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SITUATION THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM ME THAT IS GOING TO IMPACT ME PERSONALLY DEPENDING ON HOW I VOTE OR RECOMMEND ON THIS THING? 'CAUSE IF THE ANSWER IS YES, THEN YOU SHOULD TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THAT AND CONSIDER ABSTAINING. 
          SO IT'S A CASE BY CASE BASIS. 
          IT'S NOT AS CLEAR THE SITUATION YOU GAVE. 
          SO THAT'S NOT AS CLEAR, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT ABOUT OWNING A PERSONAL INTEREST IN SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ABOUT IT AFFECTING THE INCOME THAT YOU WOULD RECEIVE. 
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UH, AS A , I KNOW Y'ALL ARE PAID HEAVILY FOR YOUR JOB ON THE PARKS AND REG BOARD, RIGHT? BUT THESE DECISIONS AREN'T GONNA AFFECT YOUR PERSONAL BUSINESS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO IT GETS, IT GETS FURTHER REMOVED FROM WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS. 
          BUT ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE PRINCIPLES THAT THE STATUTE DOES STRESS AND SPEAK TO IS IF THE IMPACT TO YOU IS DIFFERENT THAN THE GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          AND SO IN YOUR SCENARIO, YOU SHOULD LOOK AT IT. 
          BUT IF THE, BUT IF THE IMPACT IS NOT SO, UM, SUCH THAT IT'S GOING TO AFFECT YOU OR A MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY WITHIN THE DEGREES OF ITY OR AFFINITY, THEN YOU'RE FINE TO PARTICIPATE. 
          LET ME GIVE YOU, LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S A, I DID A HORRIBLE JOB OF GIVING YOU ANY INFORMATION THERE, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE IT GETS SO NUANCED. 
          AND THAT'S THE TRICK WITH CONFLICTS OF INTEREST. 
          IT'S LIKE IF YOU HAD A, UM, LET'S SAY IT WAS A, A, A ZONING CASE, BUT INSTEAD OF BEING AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY, IT WAS AN OVERLAY ZONE THAT'S GONNA BE APPLIED AT VARIOUS PARTS OF THE CITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY, RIGHT? AND AN OVERLAY ZONE IS JUST ADDITIONAL REGULATION ON CORRIDORS OR SOMETHING SUCH AS THAT. 
          A COUNCIL MEMBER WHO OWNS PROPERTY WITHIN A NOTIFICATION AREA OF AN INDIVIDUAL ZONING CASE, THE LEGISLATURE SAID, WELL, IF YOU'RE WITHIN 200 FEET, YOU HAVE A, THERE'S, IT'S GONNA AFFECT YOUR PROPERTY MORE THAN, BUT IF YOU OWN PROPERTY WITHIN A DISTANCE FROM AN OVERLAY ZONE, THAT OVERLAY ZONE IS HUGE. 
          SO IT'S HARD TO, IT'S NOT THE SAME LEVEL OF IMPACT. 
          AND SO THAT COUNCIL MEMBER OR WHOMEVER P AND Z COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS TRULY GOING TO IMPACT THEM DIFFERENT FROM OTHER, UH, EVERYONE ELSE BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A LARGE IMPACT. 
          SO IT GETS DILUTED, THE IMPACT IS DILUTED MORE, THE LARGER THE IMPACT IS AND SPREAD OVER THE GENERAL PUBLIC. 
          AND THAT'S AN INDIVIDUAL EVALUATION YOU HAVE TO DO. 
          AND IT'S ALSO ABOUT, SOMETIMES IT'S ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY OR AN IMPAR APPEARANCE OF UNDUE INFLUENCE, RIGHT? SO THOSE ARE JUST THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND. 
          I I KNOW THAT DOESN'T DIRECTLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, UM, BUT IT'S AN EVALUATION PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH. 
          SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, IT'S, IT WOULDN'T BE THAT THEY HAD A MON SAY, SAY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT WHO TO, YOU KNOW, WHO TO ASSIGN AN RSA TO FOR A SOFTBALL GROUP AND SOMEONE'S CHILD PLACED FOR THAT SOFTBALL GROUP. 
          SO I'M, SO THEIR DRIVE IS GONNA BE CUT DOWN FROM 30 MINUTES TO FIVE MINUTES. 
          HOWEVER, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONETARY ISSUE. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MONETARY VALUE IN THAT SOFTBALL GROUP, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO FIRST OF ALL, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT AN RSA IS AND, 'CAUSE I DON'T, I DON'T DO A LOT OF WORK. 
          UH, RECOGNIZED SPORTS ASSOCIATION. 
          IT'S AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY THAT THEY HAVE PRIORITY ACCESS TO FIELDS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD GET THE ACCESS. 
          THEY WOULD GET THE ACCESS TO THE FIELD. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT, TO ME, THAT WOULDN'T SEEM TO RISE TO THE LEVEL. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ME JUST TAKING THE LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE GIVEN ME AND, AND, AND EXPRESSING AN OPINION. 
          UM, IF, IF, UH, SO IF YOU WERE, IF YOU WERE MY COMMISSIONER AND I WAS, AND I WAS PRESENT, YOU ASKED ME THAT QUESTION, I WOULD GO THROUGH, I WOULD GO THROUGH THE STATUTE, I WOULD, I WOULD LOOK AT THAT RSA AND I WOULD TELL YOU, HEY, HERE'S WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS. 
          HERE'S WHAT YOU NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE LAST THING ANYBODY WANTS TO DO IS, IS GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE ANSWER THAT THAT GETS YOU, UH, PUTS YOU DOWN THE WRONG PATH BECAUSE WE ARE NOT YOUR ATTORNEYS, RIGHT? AND SO IT'S A MATTER OF EVALUATING ALL THOSE FACTORS. 
          YOU KNOW, TO ME, I DON'T, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT WOULD RISE TO THE LEVEL. 
          THERE'S NO TRUE BENEFIT TO YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL, RIGHT? THAT'S DIFFERENT FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC ANY, BECAUSE ANYBODY WHO HAS THAT RSA OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, IT'S THIS, IT'S THE SAME FOR ANY OF THEM, RIGHT? THERE'S NO PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT OR ANYTHING SUCH AS THAT. 
          SO, BUT THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE HOW TRICKY THAT GETS REAL FAST, UM, IN THOSE KIND OF SCENARIOS. 
          SO ANYTHING ELSE IN ETHICS? NOPE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. 
          SO THERE'S KIND OF, KIND OF GOING OFF THAT THERE OTHER, GO AHEAD. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY, SO KIND OF GOING ALONG THAT SAME LINE, LET'S SAY YOU WANT A BASEBALL LEAGUE TO GET STARTED IN THE CITY, I WOULD THINK WHETHER YOU HAVE CHILDREN OR NOT, THAT COULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. 
          BUT LET'S SAY WE DID, WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THAT TODAY. 
          IF WE ALL LEFT HERE TODAY, DID WE GO POST ON FACEBOOK AND SAY WHETHER WE ARE FOR IT OR NOT? AND IF WE CAN, OR IF WE CANNOT, IS IT IN HOW WE START OUR STATEMENT? I'M SAYING THIS AS A PUBLIC CITIZEN, OR I'M SAYING THIS AS A PARKS AND REC COMMISSIONER. 
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IT DOES, IS INSANE CHOOSING HOW WE SAY IT, WHAT GETS US IN TROUBLE OR COULD CAUSE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, AGAIN, WHETHER YOU HAVE CHILDREN OR NOT, BECAUSE IT WOULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE A PUBLIC PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT IT AND YOU DID IT ON FACEBOOK, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE COULD DO THAT. 
          WOULD WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE CITY TO POST ABOUT IT BEFORE WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT? OR COULD WE GO ON OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD FACEBOOK GROUPS AND GO, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY'S TALKING ABOUT, POTENTIALLY. 
          HERE'S OUR PERSONAL OPINION ON IT. 
          YOU KNOW, IS THAT ALLOWED OR IS THAT NOT ALLOWED? SO, UM, YEAH, AND I MISSED PART OF THAT BECAUSE THE UPS TRUCK CAME AND THE DOGS WERE BARK, BUT I THINK I GET THE GIST OF IT. 
          NEW BASEBALL LEAGUE OR TEAM OR SOMETHING, AND THE, AND THE, AND THE CITY IS EVALUATING IT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS A BENEFIT TO THE, TO THE CITY IN GENERAL. 
          YOU'RE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINIONS. 
          I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE EARLIER, UH, SOME OF THE EARLIER SLIDES IS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE CLEAR WHEN YOU ARE EXPRESSING A PERSONAL OPINION VERSUS SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OR SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF PARKS AND RECREATION, UH, BOARD. 
          IF SOMETHING IS NOT YET COMMON KNOWLEDGE, THEN I WOULDN'T SPEAK ON IT. 
          IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING, IF, IF IT'S INFORMATION THAT YOU KNOW, OR YOU ARE AWARE OF BECAUSE OF YOUR ROLE AS A PARKS AND REC COMMISSIONER, IT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE TO SHARE THAT AHEAD OF ANY CITY SHARING OF INFORMATION. 
          UM, THERE'S ALSO, LIKE ON THIS SLIDE, ON THIS SLIDE, YOU CAN SEE ON THE MEETING CONDUCT AND COMMITMENT, YOU KNOW, AND I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT, BUT IT EVEN HAS A PROVISION HERE WHERE YOU DO NOT LEAVE THE DAIS DURING A MEETING TO SPEAK AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN TO CIRCUMVENT PROTOCOLS. 
          AND THAT'S PRETTY INFORMATIVE BECAUSE YOU, THAT IS GETTING TO THE WHOLE IDEA THAT YOU, YOU, YOU CAN'T DO THAT IN THE MEETING, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T LEAVE THE DIOCESE, GO DOWN AND SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          YOU CAN'T LEAVE THE DIOCESE, GO DOWN AND SPEAK ON AN ITEM. 
          LIKE YOU CAN'T FILE A A, A RECUSAL, BUT THEN GO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF WHOEVER THAT IS BECAUSE YOU, YOU'RE SITTING IT OUT COMPLETELY AND YOU DON'T, UH, THE PROTOCOLS, YOU KNOW, AT A MEETING ARE THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO PLACE THINGS ON AGENDA OR WORK THROUGH THE CITY TO PLACE THINGS ON AN AGENDA. 
          SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET DOWN FROM THE DIOCESE, GO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENTS. 
          IT'S NOT DISSIMILAR TO THE SCENARIO THAT YOU'RE TALKING, RIGHT? IS THAT YOU DON'T FORFEIT YOUR RIGHTS AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN. 
          BUT THERE IS, THERE'S A TIME AND PLACE WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE TO SPEAK IN THE MANNER THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. 
          AND IT WAS, I TELL YOU IT WAS, IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR ME EVEN AS THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          'CAUSE I HAD FOUR CHILDREN THAT WERE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN LITTLE LEAGUE AND SOFTBALL. 
          I WAS SERVING ON A SOFTBALL BOARD AND ALL THESE THINGS AND, AND WE HAD TO NEGOTIATE AND HAVE A LICENSE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY. 
          WELL, I DRAFT THOSE, I DRAFT THOSE FOR THE CITY, RIGHT? AND SO I HAD TO SIT THAT OUT ENTIRELY AND IT WOULD, AND IT WOULD FRUSTRATE MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS AND STUFF GO, WELL, WHY CAN'T YOU DO THIS? CAN WE ASK YOU THIS? CAN, I WAS LIKE, I CAN'T BE INVOLVED WITH THIS AT ALL BECAUSE OF MY ROLE WITH THE CITY. 
          I CAN'T BE INVOLVED IN THIS PIECE OF IT. 
          AND SO YOU KIND OF HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ON YOUR OWN. 
          BUT AGAIN, TO ME IT COMES BACK TO WHAT DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO AS A COMMISSIONER? WHEN IS THE CITY MAKING OFFICIAL STATEMENTS AND HOW CAN YOU, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN WHILE ALSO ADHERING TO WHAT THESE REQUESTS ARE FROM THE CITY AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, YOUR CONDUCT AS A BOARD MEMBER. 
          BUT I THINK THE DIFFERENCE WITH PARKS, OUR PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION IS THAT ALL OF OUR MEETINGS ARE PUBLIC, AND EVERYTHING THAT WE TALK ABOUT IS PUBLIC. 
          SO IF RYAN WENT AND MADE AN OPINION ON FACEBOOK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY OUT IN THE PUBLIC, THAT WOULDN'T BE OFFENSIVE, WOULD IT? WELL, RIGHT. 
          BUT, UH, PART OF WHAT HE SAID WAS, UH, IF THE CITY HASN'T MADE ANY, HAS SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT YET, IS WHAT I HEARD, BUT EVERYTHING IN OUR MEETING, IT'S A, IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING THAT IS ONLINE, SO ANYBODY CAN GO AND LOOK AT IT. 
          SO WHETHER THE CITY MADE AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT ON THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE OR SOMETHING, IT'S ALREADY OUT IN THE PUBLIC BECAUSE IT WAS IN OUR MEETING. 
          YEAH, RIGHT. 
          I THINK, YEAH, I MEAN IF IT'S, IF IT'S ALL PUBLIC INFORMATION AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH YOUR BOARD, BOARD COMMISSION, THEN, THEN YEAH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SPEAK ON IT. 
          AS LONG AS YOU MAKE IT CLEAR THAT YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING FOR THE BOARD COMMISSIONER CITY, YOU CAN HAVE A PERSONAL OPINION. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S SAYING YOU CAN'T. 
          UM, IT'S, IT, IT, THIS HAS TO, YOU KNOW, IT, THERE JUST HAS TO BE LINES DRAWN AND, AND YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, 
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THERE HAS TO BE PERSONAL BENEFIT AND THINGS GAINED FROM THAT. 
          AND I DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT HE WAS DESCRIBING AS A BENEFIT, A GENERAL BENEFIT TO THE, TO THE WHOLE CITY. 
          YEAH, THAT DOESN'T, THAT'S NOT GONNA TRIGGER CONFLICT OF INTEREST. 
          SO THEN YOU START LOOKING AT, WELL, WHAT ARE THE OTHER THINGS WITHIN THIS POLICY AND WHAT THE OTHER THINGS ARE WITHIN THIS POLICY IS MAKING IT CLEAR THAT YOU SPEAK FOR YOURSELF AND NOT THE BOARD COMMITTEE OR COMMISSION, THAT YOU DON'T USE INFORMATION THAT'S ONLY AVAILABLE TO YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR ROLE WITH THE CITY. 
          SO YEAH, AS LONG AS YOU ADHERE TO THE PRINCIPLES, THERE'S NOT, THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE WITH IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ARE THERE ANY, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS PIECE? SO JUST, JUST TOUCHING BRIEFLY ON THESE OTHER, UM, ON THESE OTHER BULLET POINTS, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS ON HERE, PLAY CITY INTEREST ABOVE PERSONAL AGENDA IS RESPECT THE OUTCOMES OF VOTES. 
          THIS IS ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, RIGHT? THIS IS, THIS IS GOING TO THE, ALONG THE SAME LINES OF YOU, YOU SPEAK AS A BODY AND YOU'RE CARRYING OUT THE MISSION OF THE CITY WITH REGARD TO ITS PARKS AND, AND PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, OH, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          I ALREADY TOUCHED ON THE LAST ONE THERE. 
          WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES LEFT. 
          ALRIGHT, SO VIOLATIONS OF THIS CODE OF CONDUCT ARE SUBJECT TO REVIEW BY THE COUNCIL. 
          AND THESE ARE THE PROGRESSIVE LEVELS OF DISCIPLINE THAT THESE ARE JUST LISTED IN. 
          THIS IS WHAT'S LISTED IN IT, UH, IN THE RESOLUTION. 
          ORAL WARNING, WRITTEN WARNING, A VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE, FORMAL CENSURE AND REMOVAL FROM THE BOARD. 
          NOW IN, YOU KNOW, JUST IN, IN MY OPINION, IN OTHER CITIES WHERE, WHERE I HAVE THESE TYPES OF THINGS, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS PROGRESSIVE, UH, IT'S NOT REQUIRED THAT IT GO THROUGH ALL THESE STEPS. 
          AND I JUST MAKE TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. 
          SO IF SOMETHING WERE TRULY EGREGIOUS ENOUGH, THEY, THEY CAN JUST REMOVE IT, THEY CAN VOTE TO REMOVE YOU. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IN YOUR POLICY, IN THEIR POLICY REQUIRES THEM TO GO THROUGH THESE VARIOUS STEPS. 
          GREAT. 
          SO HERE'S WHAT'S EXPECTED OF EVERY BOARD AND COMMISSIONER AND FULL SHERIFF SIMON. 
          RETURN THE CODE OF CONDUCT ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FORM REVIEW, CHAPTER TWO, ARTICLE THREE, DIVISION FOUR OF THE CITY CODE. 
          MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR YOUR STAFF LIAISON. 
          SO WHEN YOU'RE OUT THERE, UH, CHECKING OUT PARKS IN FULL SURE, OR ELSEWHERE, YOU CAN, YOU CAN JUST SEND THOSE PICTURES AND COMMENTS RIGHT TO 'EM, OF COURSE. 
          AND THEN, UH, MARK YOUR CALENDAR'S FIRST BEING IN JANUARY IS WHEN YOU ELECT OFFICERS. 
          AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I, I, I TRY TO GO THROUGH THAT QUICKLY BECAUSE OF THE, YOUR TIME, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GO BACK TO ANYTHING OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UM, IF YOU THINK OF QUESTIONS, I STAFF WILL GIVE YOU THIS SLIDE DECK. 
          IF YOU COME UP WITH ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE FACT, PLEASE JUST SUBMIT THEM THROUGH YOUR STAFF. 
          THEY'LL GET THEM TO ME OR CHARLIE, ZACH OR SOMEONE ELSE WHO PROVIDES LEGAL SERVICES FOR SRE TO GET YOU AN ANSWER IF WE, IF WE CAN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, Y'ALL HAVE A GOOD DAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU TOO. 
          ALRIGHT, UM, ITEM FOUR 
          [Business - C]
C, UPDATE AND DISCUSSION ON THE WILDLIFE IMPACT STUDY PRESENTATION FROM JOSHUA BROTHERS, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. 
          GREAT. 
          GOOD MORNING, HOW ARE Y'ALL? GOOD MORNING. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          UH, SO I WAS HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO, UH, WITH THE WILDLIFE IMPACT ANALYSIS. 
          AND WHAT THAT WAS IS THAT FOR RESIDENTIAL ACREAGE OR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, UH, WITH MORE THAN 20 LOTS WE'LL BE REQUIRED TO DO THIS. 
          WILDLIFE IMPACT ANALYSIS COUNCIL ULTIMATELY DID APPROVE THAT. 
          UH, AND SO WHAT I'M DOING TODAY IS BRINGING BACK WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THEY DO THAT WILDLIFE IMPACT ANALYSIS, WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS, UH, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE REGULATIONS THAT COME OUT OF THAT? AND SO TODAY I REALLY JUST WANNA GET Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK. 
          Y'ALL'S BUY-IN, UH, Y'ALL'S OPINIONS THAT I CAN THEN TAKE TO PLANNING AND ZONING AND COUNCIL AND SHARE WITH THEM A COMPLETED, UH, VERSION OF WHAT I'M CALLING WILDLIFE IMPACT PART TWO. 
          SO BASICALLY WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE HERE, THERE'S FOUR MAIN CATEGORIES OR SEQUENCES WITH MITIGATION, AVOIDANCE, MINIMIZATION, RESTORATION, AND UH, COMPENSATORY MITIGATION. 
          AND SO BASICALLY IF THIS WILDLIFE IMPACT ANALYSIS SHOWS UP AND SAYS THAT THERE IS SOME ENDANGERED SPECIES OR THERE'S A PROTECTED CLASS OF ANIMALS AND THERE IS CRITICAL HABITAT FOR THOSE ANIMALS ON THAT PROPERTY, THEY NEED TO BE AVOIDED IF NOT AVOIDED, UH, MITIGATED OR RESTORED. 
          UH, 
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AND SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IS THAT IF YOU HAVE SOME HABITAT LIKE A A RIPARIAN AREA, THERE HAS TO BE A BUFFER AROUND THAT RIPARIAN AREA. 
          IT HAS TO BE LEFT ALONE. 
          AND WHAT THAT DOES IS THAT SERVES AS A WILDLIFE CORRIDOR FOR THOSE ANIMALS. 
          UM, THERE'S ALREADY OPEN GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR A STATE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          THIS ENHANCES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE WHEN THOSE ENDANGERED OR PROTECTED ANIMALS ARE ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND SO WITH THAT, I JUST WANT KIND OF WANT TO OPEN IT UP AND SEE WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK, UH, WOULD BE SOME GOOD MEASURES THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE INCLUDED IN THAT? UH, RIGHT NOW OUR MAIN ONES ARE, LIKE I SAID, BUFFERING TREE PRESERVATION AND RELYING HEAVILY ON VEGETATIVE SPECIES BEING PLANTED ON THAT, ON THAT SITE. 
          WELL, FIRST YOU SAID 20 LOTS BETWEEN I THINK YOU BETWEEN ACRES, RIGHT? 2020 LOTS OR MORE. 
          20 LOTS. 
          WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE SIZE OF A LOT? YEAH, TWO ACRE MINIMUM. 
          OKAY, SO, BUT THAT'S ONLY IN THE BODARK NEIGHBORHOOD IN, IN A STATE RESIDENTIAL. 
          YES. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE WE HAVE STATE RESIDENTIAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IF YOU WERE TO GO ANY, THIS GOES FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS, BUTS TWO ACRES? IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE EVEN MORE SO IF YOU HAD A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY WITH 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. 
          IF THEY HAVE 20 OF THOSE, THEY HAVE TO, THIS KICKS IN. 
          BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS PER ACRE THOUGH. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE A MINIMUM OF 20 ACRES. 
          IF IT'S A MINIMUM OF 20 ACRES, THEN THEY HAVE TO DO THE STUDY OR 15. 
          YEAH. 
          SO NO, WE, WE MOVED IT TO LOTS THAT AFTER GOING THROUGH PLANNING AND ZONING IN CITY COUNCIL, THERE'S 20 OR MORE THOUGH. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO IT ACTUALLY HELPED YOU IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH, NO, IT'S, IT'S BETTER. 
          TWO ACRES IN 20 LOTS IS 40 ACRES. 
          I KNOW, BUT THEY'RE SAYING NOW IF YOU ONLY HAVE 20 LITTLE LOTS, YOU HAVE TO DO THE SAME AS IF IT WAS THIS BIG. 
          IT WORKS TO YOUR, IT EXPANDS. 
          IT WOULD NOT, WOULD HAVE TO HAVE IT. 
          BUT IS THAT IN THE WORDING SOMEWHERE? IT'S LIKE A LOT IS TWO ACRES. 
          THAT'S JUST KNOWN STANDARD DEPENDING ON WHAT DISTRICT THEY TAKE. 
          JOSH, USABLE ACRES PLEASE. 
          . 
          WELL, I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO USABLE ACRES. 
          THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER 20 LOTS IS BETTER FOR US. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT MEANS THEY GET, WE'VE EXPANDED IT. 
          SO 20 ACRES WORKS FOR A STATE RESIDENTIAL, THAT'S BIG. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IF WE GO INTO SEMI-URBAN WHERE THEY'RE NOT TWO ACRES AND THEY'RE 6,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW? YEAH. 
          I JUST, I HEARD THE CHANGE ACRES. 
          I HEARD IT TOO. 
          AND I WAS GONNA BE LIKE, WAIT, WHAT IS A LOT? BUT THEN I THOUGHT, I WAS LIKE, WAIT, THAT'S BETTER FOR YOU. 
          THAT MEANS LIKE A SMALL AREA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO RESEARCH IT FIRST. 
          INSTEAD OF IT GOING, OH WELL IT'S GOTTA BE THIS BIG. 
          WE'RE LIKE, NO, NO, NO. 
          EVEN THOUGH IT'S THIS BIG, WE STILL WANNA RESEARCH IT, UH, AND MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT OR WIPE OUT THE ALLIGATORS OR WIPE OUT THE, THE BLUE HERRINGS. 
          SO IT'S BETTER FOR US, I PROMISE. 
          AND SO THERE, THERE'S MULTIPLE THINGS TO THIS. 
          NUMBER ONE, WHEN THEY CONSTRUCT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A MITIGATION PLAN ON SITE AND IN PLACE. 
          UM, THEY HAVE TO HAVE WILDLIFE FRIENDLY INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. 
          UM, WILDLIFE PERMEABLE FENCING, UH, THERE'S SOME CRAZY STUFF OUT THERE. 
          TURTLE FRIENDLY CULVERTS. 
          UH, WE NEED THOSE. 
          YEAH, LIKE A LITTLE RAMP FOR THE LITTLE GUYS TO GO UP. 
          THAT'S IT. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO, AND THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS IS THAT THEY KEEP IN PLACE WHAT'S THERE TODAY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          THAT'S AWESOME. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, THE CURBS THEY PUT, THEY WALK UP. 
          SO PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS SAVING TURTLES AROUND HERE. 
          DOES THIS INCLUDE, SO LIKE I HAVE A FRIEND THAT RECENTLY A FAWN GOT CAUGHT IN HER IRON GATE AND DIED. 
          THEY COULD, THEY JUST, THEY TRIED AND IT DIED. 
          SO DOES THAT INCLUDE LIKE, THEY'RE GONNA STOP DOING IRON GATES OR LIKE START DOING A MORE NARROW OR, SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PREVENT EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY OR CONTROL TO THAT LEVEL. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, BUT THERE DID, THERE DOES HAVE TO BE AREAS ON THAT SITE WHERE THAT'S NOT A POSSIBILITY. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, SO IF THE, IF THE FA FINDS THE, THE IRON GATE INSTEAD OF THE PERMEABLE FENCE RIGHT NEXT TO IT THAT'S ON THE FAWN , YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO EVERYTHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, WHAT ARE YOU CALLING MITIGATION? WHAT WOULD YOU, WHAT'S THE BUFFER? WHAT, SO LEMME GO TO THE BUFFERING. 
          SO IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE HABITAT IS. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? BUFFER? THE BUFFERING IS LIKE THE MITIGATION. 
          I, I WONDERED WHAT HE, HOW HE WANTED TO DEFINE THAT BECAUSE THERE'S GOTTA BE A BUFFER AROUND. 
          THAT'S PRETTY COOL TOO. 
          I'M WONDERING HOW MUCH THE BUFFER, WELL, AND THE GREEN SPACE ISN'T JUST A BUNCH OF GREEN BERMUDA GRASS THAT IT'S ACTUALLY, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I SAID. 
          IT HAS TO BE VEG, IT HAS TO BE NATIVE VEGETATION. 
          UM, LET'S SEE, LET ME GO TO IT. 
          PEOPLE THROW IN INVASIVE BERMUDA IN ST. 
          AUGUSTINE AND SAY IT'S GREEN SPACE AND THEY CAN DO THAT. 
          SO RIGHT. 
          THEY CAN DO THAT ON THEIR LOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          LET'S SAY THEY HAVE THIS, LET'S SAY A HUNDRED ACRES, RIGHT? AND THEY PUT 50 HOMES ON IT, LET'S SAY 30 HOMES. 
          THOSE 30 HOMES CAN PUT BERMUDA, ST. 
          AUGUSTINE, WHATEVER, ON THEIR LOTS. 
          BUT IN THAT OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, THERE HAS TO BE NATIVE SPECIES, OPEN GRASS AREA, NATIVE HABITAT THAT WAS LEFT UNDISTURBED. 
          IF THEY DISTURB IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO, THEN THEY HAVE TO MITIGATE IT OR, OR THEY HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT AT A RATIO OF LIKE TWO TO ONE. 
          SO IF YOU REMOVE 
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A NATIVE TREE, YOU'RE REPLACING IT WITH TWO MORE. 
          OKAY. 
          OF THE SAME SPECIES. 
          SAME THING WITH GRASS. 
          IF YOU REMOVE NATIVE GRASS, YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT TWO TO ONE. 
          WELL, I PERSONALLY, I MEAN JUST KIND OF GOING OFF IN LEFT FIELD, BUT IF THE CITY WOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT NOT ALLOWING BERMUDA AND ST. 
          AUGUSTINE AND LEAVING THE NATIVE GRASSES, OUR WATER PROBLEM WOULD GO AWAY. 
          I MEAN IT'S IT'S SO SILLY THAT THE AMOUNT OF WATER WE WASTE ON THESE IMPORTED GRASSES IS CRAZY. 
          I, I CAN'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT I KNOW. 
          ANYWAY, SORRY, HAD TO SAY I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          WHAT, HOW DOES SOMEBODY GET AROUND THIS? OR CAN, LIKE THEY PAY FEES TO NO, NOT HAVE TO, THERE'S NOTHING, THERE'S NO, NO, THERE'S NO MECHANISM FOR VARIANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          AVOIDANCE OR THINGS LIKE THAT, I GUESS IS THAT'S RIGHT. 
          WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE THAT CURRENTLY ALREADY OWN THE PROPERTY? SO IS IT, DOES, DOES IT TAKE NO. 
          SO MY UNDERSTANDING, AND DAN IF, IF HE'S STILL ON, UH, CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE THEY'RE, THEY'RE VESTED AS SOON AS THEY GET A PERMIT. 
          SO OWNING, OWNING ACREAGE DOESN'T VEST YOU IN ANYTHING. 
          IT'S ONCE WE RECEIVE A PERMIT YEAH. 
          AND THERE'S CONTINUOUS WORK AFTER THAT PERMIT IS ISSUED. 
          ARE YOU VESTED? OKAY, COOL. 
          UM, YEAH, THERE'S QUITE A BIT TO IT. 
          SO THERE'S CONSTRUCTION PRACTICES LIKE SEASONAL CLEARING RESTRICTIONS, WILDLIFE EXCLUSION, FENCING, BIOLOGICAL MONITORS, DAILY INSPECTION OF EXCAVATIONS, TEMPORARY WILDLIFE CROSSINGS, EROSION AND SEDIMENT CONTROLS. 
          THERE'S A LOT TO THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND NOT EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPMENT MIGHT HAVE, THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE TO DO ALL THAT. 
          THAT WILDLIFE IMPACT ANALYSIS IS GOING TO TELL US IF THEY DO OR NOT. 
          OH, GOTCHA. 
          THE SEVERITY OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS GOING TO COME OUT OF THIS WILDLIFE IMPACT ANALYSIS. 
          WELL, AND AND MIGRATION SEASONS PROBABLY IN THERE TOO, RIGHT? IT IS. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE CONSTRUCTION PRACTICES. 
          SEASONAL CLEARING RESTRICTIONS. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A BUNCH OF BIRDS THAT CAME IN FOR THE, FOR THE WINTER, YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING UNTIL THEY'RE GONE. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, AND DEPENDING ON THE SPECIES, SOME OF THAT'S ALREADY PROTECTED. 
          NOW CARDINALS ARE PROTECTED. 
          I I AM ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M A MONTH BEHIND TEARING MY HOUSE DOWN BECAUSE A CARDINAL MADE A NEST BY MY BACK DOOR. 
          . 
          UH, BUT YES, UH, RAMONA, YOU'LL LIKE THIS ONE. 
          I MENTIONED WILDLIFE PERMEABLE FENCING, TURTLE FRIENDLY CULVERTS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE POLLINATOR HABITATS THAT HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          HABITAT RESTORATION, IF THEY, IF THEY DESTROY ANY NATIVE SPECIES, THEY HAVE TO REPLACE THOSE NATIVE SPECIES, UH, TREE PRESERVATION TWO TO ONE FOR 12 TO 24 INCH DBH THREE TO ONE FOR TREES LARGER THAN 24 DBH. 
          WHAT DO YOU MEAN? THREE? SO, SO IF YOU TEAR DOWN THE, WE CAN'T TELL THEM NOT TO, WE JUST TELL THEM IF YOU DO, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, WE ALSO HAVE A TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE ELSEWHERE. 
          THAT'S WELL WITHIN OUR MEANS, WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          UH, AND SO, YES. 
          AND THERE'S A SPECIFIC COMPANY THAT WILL ALWAYS BE USED FOR THIS. 
          NOT DEVELOPER GOES, I GOT A COMPANY I WANT TO USE. 
          I BELIEVE IT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE TO BE LICENSED. 
          WELL, I KNOW, BUT LIKE IF A DEVELOPER CHOOSES THEIR OWN, THOSE GUYS GOT BIG MONEY. 
          THEY'RE LIKE, YEAH, I GOT A GUY THAT WILL CHECK NO ISSUES. 
          OOPS. 
          THERE ARE NO BIRDS THERE. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I GET MY QUESTION IS, UM, IS IT, DO CITIES GET TO CHOOSE WHAT COMPANY HAS TO BE USED SO THAT WAY IT'S UNBIASED TO IMPLEMENT THE MEASURES THAT COME OUT OF THE WILDLIFE? YES. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          NO. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE CARE HOW THEY DO IT AS LONG AS THEY COMPLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WHO'S DOING THE STUDY? WHO'S DOING THE THAT? OKAY. 
          THAT HAS TO BE A LICENSED BIOLOGIST. 
          I KNOW THAT. 
          BUT WHO GETS TO CHOOSE THAT LICENSED BIOLOGIST? A DEVELOPER. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE NOT CHOOSING CHOOSES IT. 
          WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT CHOOSING WE, BUT WE WANT CHOOSE IF WE WANT FULL STREET TO CHOOSE, WE DON'T WANT THE DEVELOPER TO CHOOSE. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO CHOOSE ONE THAT'S NO, THAT'S THAT. 
          THEY JUST MADE THE COMPANY YESTERDAY AND DECIDED TO THINK ABOUT IT. 
          THESE ARE KNOW DEVELOPERS ARE GONNA BE LIKE, YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA PASS EVERY SINGLE TIME. 
          YEAH, EVERY TIME. 
          SO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE YEAH. 
          WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF PICKING AND CHOOSING WHO DOES THOSE THINGS. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE WELL, BUT WE HAVE TRASH THAT PEOPLE ARE REQUIRED TO USE A CERTAIN COMPANY. 
          WHY CAN'T THEY BE REQUIRED TO USE A CERTAIN COMPANY FOR THAT? I'LL LET LEGAL ANSWER THAT QUESTION. 
          . 
          BUT DO YOU, DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? LISTEN, I WORK AT ENVIRONMENTAL FIRM AND I DON'T KNOW A SINGLE ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTIST OR ENGINEER THAT WOULD RISK THEIR LICENSE ON SIGNING OFF FOR ANYBODY. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW A SINGLE ONE. 
          DO YOU KNOW A LOT OF 'EM? YEAH. 
          OH. 
          BUT IT COULD ALSO BE USED AS, AS AN EXCUSE LATER THAT THE, OH, THE CITY DELAYED US FOR THIS PERMIT. 
          WE, WE COULDN'T GET IT DONE IN THIS CERTAIN TIMEFRAME. 
          SO THAT COULD CAUSE A HICCUP BY MAKING US CHOOSE IT. 
          THESE ENVIRONMENTAL INSPECTORS, I DO NOT KNOW A SINGLE ONE. 
          I DON'T KNOW A SINGLE ONE THAT WOULD SIGN OFF ON SOMETHING RISKING THEIR LICENSE. 
          THEY LIVELIHOOD, THEY WON'T, IT'S CLEAR IN THE AVOIDANCE, THEY WON'T DO SOMETHING LICENSED. 
          DON'T OLOGIST OR WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT CERTIFIED, LICENSED. 
          LICENSED, YES, MA'AM. 
          WHATEVER. 
          JUST MAKE SURE THAT'S IN STONE, THESE LICENSED PROFESSIONALS. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. 
          I, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. 
          AND WE SET THAT, OR THAT'S WHAT THE STUDY REQUIRES. 
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LIKE WHEN YOU SAY THAT THERE HAS TO BE A LICENSED BIOLOGIST OR THE STUDY HAS TO BE DONE BY A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE CITY IS SAYING THAT, OR THE STATE, THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          THAT'S COMING FROM THE CITY. 
          THE CITY PUT IN PLACE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT ORDINANCE IS ALREADY APPROVED AND ON THE BOOKS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ONCE IT IS ALL PUT IN PLACE, POLLINATOR GARDENS, NATIVE GRASSES, WILL THERE BE SOMEBODY MAKING SURE THAT SOMEBODY'S NOT SPRAYING ROUNDUP YEAH. 
          AND FERTILIZER ON IT, WHICH IT SHOULDN'T. 
          IT WON'T NEED IT, BUT NO. 
          GREAT QUESTION. 
          UH, UNLESS IT'S MICRO LIFE . 
          SO PART OF THIS ORDINANCE, WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT PLAN, UH, WHERE THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS IDENTIFIED BY THE ANALYSIS, THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE MITIGATION MEASURES, CONSTRUCTION MONITORING PROCEDURES. 
          SO IT'S WALKING YOU THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, LONG-TERM HABITAT MAINTENANCE, UH, INVASIVE SPECIES CONTROLLED NET NATIVE VEGETATION MANAGEMENT, MONITORING SCHEDULE, AND ADAPTIVE MANAGEMENT PROCEDURES. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT ON SITE. 
          SO, AND THIS IS KIND OF AN EVOLVING THING. 
          WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE BEING MAINTAINED? RIGHT. 
          I'M NOT A BIOLOGIST. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ON STAFF THAT'S QUALIFIED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE MAINTAINING THOSE THINGS. 
          SO THAT'S COMING. 
          GREAT. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SOUNDS GOOD TO ME ON THIS. 
          YEAH, NO PROBLEM. 
          SOUNDS GREAT. 
          GOING FORWARD. 
          I'M SORRY, IS THIS ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING? ABSOLUTELY. 
          NO. 
          NO. 
          AND WHEN WAS IT PUT IN? WHEN WAS IT APPROVED? UH, JULY, APRIL, MAY, APRIL. 
          AWESOME JOB, MAN. 
          SOMETIME AROUND THERE. 
          SO THE NEW BOART DEVELOPMENT HAS TO ABIDE BY THAT, THE NEW BOART DEVELOPMENT. 
          WHICH ONE? ONE ESTATE? UH, NO. 
          IS THERE PERMIT WERE IN PLACE, CORRECT. 
          YEARS AGO, YES. 
          YEARS. 
          NOT HOW MANY YEARS ANYWAY. 
          UM, PRE PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS IN, I BELIEVE, 24. 
          SO OKAY. 
          BEAT IT BY A LONG SHOT. 
          UM, ANYTHING ELSE? LET'S SEE. 
          I LIKE TO USE CROSS CREEK RANCH. 
          UH, AS, AS A GOOD EXAMPLE, FLEW ALLEN CREEK. 
          THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB WITH THAT. 
          SO THAT WAS A NATURAL CREEK THAT WAS THERE. 
          AND LET'S SAY YOU HAVE THAT SITUATION SOMEWHERE DOWN SOUTH NEAR BOAR OR EVEN A, AN OXBOW LAKE. 
          WE DON'T FILL THOSE IN. 
          WE DON'T JUST BUILD AROUND IT. 
          WE PRESERVE IT AND WE ENHANCE IT. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THEY DID WITH THEWELL. 
          THEY CREATED THIS BUFFER ON EITHER SIDE OF IT, PUT SOME WALKING TRAILS IN THERE, KEPT THE NATIVE SPECIES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, PLANTED NATIVE SPECIES TO COMPLEMENT THAT CREEK AND TURNED IT INTO WHAT IS KIND OF A RIPARIAN AREA. 
          THAT'S WHEN LOTS OF AWARDS. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          NO, IT'S ABSOLUTELY WONDERFULLY DONE. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS IS GOING TO MAKE SURE HAPPENS. 
          SO PERFECT. 
          IF THERE IS A, IF THERE'S WETLANDS OR A, A STREAM OR A CREEK RUNNING THROUGH THERE, THEY HAVE TO ENHANCE IT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS. 
          YOU'RE NOT JUST PRESERVING WHAT'S THERE. 
          YOU'RE ENHANCING IT. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT IN FULL. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON. 
          WE HEAR IT ALL THE TIME. 
          SO I THINK THIS IS A, A TOTALLY NECESSARY THING. 
          GREAT, GREAT JOB. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, A LITTLE TOO LATE, BUT, UH, ABSOLUTELY FUMB IN THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          AWESOME JOB. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          WELL, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. 
          YOU RAISE . 
          THANK Y'ALL. 
          THANK YOU, JOSHUA. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ITEM 
          [Business - D]
D, UPDATE AND DISCUSSION ON PARKS AND PATHWAYS MASTER PLAN PRESENTED BY FULCHER CITY MANAGERS. 
          ZACH GOODLAND. 
          GOOD MORNING. 
          GLAD TO BE BACK. 
          CAN I SHUT THIS? WE'RE OKAY. 
          PERFECT. 
          BUT IT'S IN THE PACKET, RIGHT? SO THE CURRENT SITE PLANS, CURRENT CON CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS ARE IN THE PACKET. 
          NOPE. 
          SO, WELL, THEY WERE IN THE POST-IT PACKET. 
          YOU JUST HAVE AN AGENDA IN FRONT OF YOU, IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          THEY WERE IN THE PACKET. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, TO HELP WITH THAT, WE'LL PUT THEM ON THE TVS. 
          WE JUST CAN'T SEE THEM VERY WELL FROM, CAN YOU SEND THIS TO THE PRINTER? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL SEND IT TO THE PRINTER REAL QUICK, BUT FOR NOW, YEAH. 
          UH, THEY WILL BE ON THE TVS AND THEY WERE IN THE PACKET AS WELL. 
          SO FIRST, THIS IS THE CURRENT CONCEPTUAL DRAWING FOR THE, FOR CHANGES TO THE, TO THE MASTER PLAN FOR I IRENE STERN PARK. 
          SO WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, I THINK THE LAST PARKS AND REC MEETING. 
          ESSENTIALLY JUST TRYING TO FIT AS MANY COURTS THERE AS POSSIBLE, PRESERVING THE EXISTING PLAYGROUND WHERE IT'S SET, WHICH IS WHERE THE CURRENT PAVILION, CURRENT LARGE, MATURE TREE IS. 
          AND THEN PRESERVING SOME OF THE MORE AWKWARD SPACES LIKE TRIANGLES FOR A ADDITIONAL PLAYGROUND, NATURAL SPACE OPPORTUNITIES. 
          AND THEN ESSENTIALLY USING THE RIGHT ANGLES FOR COURTS, UM, WHICH ALLOWS US TO FIT MORE OF THEM IN THERE. 
          THIS SITE PLAN HAS SIX TENNIS COURTS AND EIGHT PICKLEBALL COURTS, AND PRESERVES THE EXISTING RESTROOM BUILDING WITH A MURAL ON IT WHERE IT'S LOCATED. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, ALSO THE PLAYGROUND AND 
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PAVILION AND THE IRENE STERN BUILDING WHERE IT'S AT CURRENTLY. 
          ANY, ANY FEEDBACK THIS MONTH ON THESE CHANGES? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          CAN A PICKLEBALL COURT BE TURNED INTO SOMETHING ELSE IN THE FUTURE ONE DAY WHEN THE PICKLEBALL FAD DIES DOWN? I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          I MEAN, I SEE EIGHT VERSUS THE SIX TENNIS COURT, AND I DID, I THINK LAST TIME I ASKED, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN BUILD A TENNIS COURT THAT COULD BE USED AS A BASKETBALL COURT OR AS A PICKLEBALL COURT OF SOME SORT? YOU COULD DEFINITELY MIX AND MATCH ALL THREE OF THOSE THINGS ON ONE COURT SPACE. 
          IT'S JUST THE LINES WILL START CONFLICTING WITH EACH OTHER. 
          SO YOU COULD DEFINITELY DO IT, BUT A TENNIS PLAYER IS NOT GONNA FIND THAT AS IDEAL AS A TENNIS COURT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO, BUT, BUT YES, LONG TERM, IF THE, IF PICKLEBALL IS A BIG FAD AND IT GOES AWAY, THEN YOU COULD DEFINITELY ETCH OFF, I THINK A LOT OF THOSE MARKINGS AND TURN IT INTO SOMETHING ELSE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND ZACH, WHERE'S THE POLLINATOR GARDEN? WELL, THE CURRENT POLLINATOR GARDEN CAN STAY WHERE IT'S AT, ESSENTIALLY. 
          IT MAY NOT BE, IS IT THERE, IT MAY NOT BE LABELED ON THIS PLAN, BUT IT'S ADJACENT TO THE CURRENT RESTROOM FACILITY. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT GOING AWAY IN THE PLAN. 
          IF, IF, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LABEL IT THERE WHERE IT'S AT TODAY, THEN WE CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT THERE'S NOTHING IN THE SITE PLAN HERE THAT WOULD REQUIRE IT REMOVAL, FROM WHAT I CAN TELL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WE'VE JUST AMENDED THAT SOIL OVER THE YEARS. 
          IT'S GOT REALLY GOOD SOIL IN THERE AND I HATE TO MOVE IT . 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT'S LABELED, IF THAT'S WHAT, UH, AND COULD WE PUT UNDER THAT, WHAT DOES IT SAY? PROPOSED SHADED STRUCTURE IN ON THE, TO THE LEFT, TO THE, TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THAT, THAT GARDEN IN THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IS THAT, WHAT'S THE PLAN? IS THAT JUST, I THINK THE INTENT THERE IS MORE OF A NATURAL SPACE, MAYBE SOME GARDENING OPPORTUNITIES. 
          MAYBE A NATIVE GRASS DEMONSTRATION, NATIVE PLANTING DEMONSTRATION. 
          UM, BUT IF, IF WE LIKE, IF WE LIKE THAT, WE CAN MAKE SURE IT'S LABELED THAT WAY TOO. 
          THIS IS NOT THE FINAL PLAN. 
          THE IDEA IS TO GET FINAL FEEDBACK HERE. 
          AND THEN I THINK IN THE NEXT MONTH, HOPEFULLY TO PUT SOME COLOR TO THIS PLAN, A LITTLE MORE DETAIL WITH SOME CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES. 
          BUT THIS, THE IDEA HERE WAS TO GET THAT FINAL FEEDBACK OR PRECEDING THAT, OR ANOTHER COMMUNITY VEGETABLE GARDEN THERE. 
          I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME WHERE WE, WE TOOK THEM ALL AWAY FROM THE, FROM BEHIND THE BUILDING. 
          THEY ASK WHERE WE COULD PUT THEM IN. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          WE CAN DO THAT. 
          I THINK THE BIG THING THEY'RE ALWAYS IS JUST WHO'S GONNA MAINTAIN IT? MAINTAIN. 
          SO I AGREE YOU NO  RYAN, DID I SEE YOU? RAISE YOUR HAND. 
          I MEAN, I THINK A COMMUNITY COMMUNAL, MAINTAIN MAINTENANCE COULD BE SOMETHING TO ENTERTAIN. 
          UM, I CAN JUST TELL YOU IN THE PAST WE'VE TRIED AND, UM, IT KIND OF FAILED ALL. 
          HOW MANY YEARS AGO WAS THAT? TRY? UH, OVER THE YEARS. 
          SEVERAL TIMES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I THINK WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE HERE NOW TOO. 
          THAT'S, THAT WAS WHERE I WAS GONNA GET AT WHEN LAST TIME, YOU KNOW, LESS PEOPLE. 
          NOW HERE WE ARE MORE PEOPLE, SO YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I FEEL LIKE IT DID PRETTY WELL. 
          JUST TWICE A YEAR. 
          I MEAN, IT WASN'T PRETTY, BUT IT WAS AMAZING. 
          YOU COULD GO BACK THERE AND GET BROCCOLI AND BRUSSEL SPROUTS AND TOMATOES, CUCUMBERS. 
          BUT I GO BACK THERE AND THINGS WOULD BE ROTTING ON THE VINE, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS REALLY SAD. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA SUGGEST WE GET THE SENIORS WORK, BUT THE SENIOR CENTER IS THERE. 
          SO THEY, THAT WAS, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT, WHAT ELSE YOU GONNA DO WITH, THAT'S WHY I PLANTED IT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          AND I WENT IN THERE AND I ASKED THEM, I SAID, IF WE, BECAUSE THEY WERE PLANTING TOMATO PLANTS OUT IN FRONT IN THE ROADS BUSHES. 
          AND I WENT AND ASKED THEM, I SAID, IF WE BUILD YOU A GARDEN IN THE BACK, WILL YOU ALL TAKE CARE OF IT? AND THEY SAID, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND THEN THEY SAID, IT'S HOT OUTSIDE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WELL, THERE'S A PROPOSED SHADED STRUCTURE. 
          I LOVE THAT. 
          THAT'S . 
          BUT I THINK THAT'D BE A NICE ONE. 
          A SMALL ONE OF FOUR BY EIGHT OR SOMETHING. 
          DO YOU THINK THOSE ARE THOSE FENCES BETWEEN THE TENANT QUARTS? SO IT'S LIKE TWO FENCE. 
          TWO FENCE. 
          UH, THAT, THAT WAS WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED. 
          AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT LIKE THE HIGH SCHOOLS, THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW THEY DO IT AS WELL. 
          I KNOW AT LEAST CHER HIGH SCHOOL, THAT'S HOW OTHERS IS WITH, OF COURSE. 
          IT, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN ONLY ACCESS THOSE TWO COURTS. 
          THERE'LL BE OPENINGS BETWEEN THE PAIRS, BETWEEN THE PAIRS OF COURTS THAT MIGHT JUST HELP, UH, CONTAIN SOME OF THE BALL MOVEMENT. 
          THAT'D BE AWESOME. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WHAT I HAVE SO FAR IS MAYBE WE CAN JUST CLARIFY THE FENCING. 
          WE CAN LABEL THE AREA TO THE SOUTHWEST, UM, SORT OF NATIVE GRASSES GARDEN AREA, AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT THE CURRENT POLLINATOR GARDEN IS SHOWN AS WELL. 
          I RECOMMEND SHORTER FENCING BETWEEN THE THINGS BETWEEN THE TENNIS COURT, SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IT. 
          AND IT'S MORE OPEN AND INVITING VERSUS LIKE, BIG CAGES. 
          YEAH. 
          BETWEEN THE, UH, BECAUSE REALLY JUST KEEP THE BALLS FROM KIND OF ROLLING THROUGH. 
          OR, UM, WHAT DO YOU WANT THE SUGGESTION WHEN I, YOU JUST STEP STEPPED OUT, BUT THERE'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY OR DETAIL ON THE NEXT ITERATION, WHICH IS HOPEFULLY THE FINAL ITERATION. 
          BUT SOMETHING ELSE I'M LOOKING AT HERE IS WHERE DO PEOPLE SIT? SO MAYBE MAKING SURE THAT'S LABELED SHOWN AS WELL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND WHEN YOU SAY SHADED STRUCTURE, WILL 
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THE, THE, UM, OLD PARK AND RIDE PIECE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WILL THAT FIT THERE OR NO, OVER AT IRENE STERN? I THINK THE LATEST THOUGHT WAS THAT WOULD GO TO PRIMROSE. 
          OKAY. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S ACTUALLY, WELL, YOU WANNA SEGUE TO PRIMROSE? SURE. 
          LET'S, UH, IS THAT THE NEXT ONE? LET'S SEGUE, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ONE BY COUNTRY MIRROR? NO, THE ONES, IT'S THE OLD CITY HALL. 
          YOU KNOW, THE PARKING RIDE, THE PARKING LOT IN STORE WHERE THE BATHROOM IS AND THERE'S A STRUCTURE. 
          YES. 
          AND ZACH HAD TALKED ABOUT MOVING THAT AND HAVING AN ARTIST PAINTED OR SOMETHING. 
          OH YEAH. 
          REAL QUICK, BEFORE WE MOVE, WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE PROPOSED BUILDING OR THE BUILDING THAT IS AT IRENE'S TURN? DID WE TALK ABOUT THAT? THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY THERE? IS THAT JUST GONNA BE STORAGE? IS THAT WHAT THAT STORAGE, THE CURRENT COMMUNITY CENTER OR THE METAL BUILDING OFF TO THE SIDE? THE METAL BUILDING OFF TO THE SIDE. 
          WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WERE GONNA DO WITH THAT. 
          ARE YOU CONTROLLING THE COMPUTER? I DO SEE PROPOSED STORAGE AND THAT, THAT JUST LOOKS LIKE WHERE THAT IS, I GUESS. 
          SORRY, I KNOW YOU JUST WENT THROUGH ONE. 
          NO, THAT'S OKAY. 
          UH, YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT BUILDING IS PROPOSED TO GO AWAY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          COOL. 
          UM, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE OTHER THOUGHTS AND, AND SORT OF REARRANGING THE COURTS TO THE BACK AND LEAVING THE PLAYGROUND WHERE IT IS, IS THAT IT HELPS WITH PHASING, I THINK, IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO IF, YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON SOME OF THE COURTS IN THE BACK, THAT STORAGE BUILDING COULD STAY FOR NOW. 
          UM, IT'S NOT REALLY UNTIL YOU PROBABLY START WORKING ON THE EASTERN MOST LIKE THREE COURTS THAT YOU PROBABLY NEED TO GET THAT BUILDING OUT OF THE WAY. 
          BUT, BUT YES, I THINK LONG TERM, THIS PLAN THAT WOULD GO AWAY AND WHAT'S STORED IN THERE NOW, A LOT OF OUR MOWING EQUIPMENT, UM, PARK SUPPLIES AND THOSE WILL GO TO PRIMROSE. 
          WELL, THE HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE'D HAVE A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY SOMEWHERE TO YEAH. 
          KNOW WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE. 
          WHAT GETS STORED IN FRONT OF THE WATER PLANT. 
          IS THAT STUFF THAT'S FULL STORAGE STUFF TOO? THE DOWNTOWN WATER PLANT OVER BY HUGGINS, CORRECT? NO, THE ONE THAT'S IN ON 10 93, LIKE WHERE THE CENTER OF THE V IS, THERE'S JUST LIKE TRUCKS AND CONEX BUILDINGS, ALL SORTS OF STUFF WITHIN THE MEETING OF 10 93, CORRECT? YES. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S ALL CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT, AND I DON'T MEAN LIKE WHERE THE CEMENT PLANT STUFF IS. 
          I MEAN, WHERE THE WATER TREATMENT PLAN IS, THAT'S ALL WE ARE HAVING TO MAKE AN INTERIM EXPANSION TO THAT FACILITY RIGHT NOW. 
          OH, AND THAT'S FROM THAT. 
          SO THAT'S ALL STAGING FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO EVENTUALLY THAT WILL GO AWAY, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          OKAY, COOL. 
          YEAH, THE WHOLE THING WILL GO AWAY EVENTUALLY. 
          THAT LOADED QUESTION. 
          BUT, BUT YES, THAT BUILDING THERE WOULD GO O AWAY AS WELL. 
          UM, THANK YOU MATTHEW FOR PRINTING THOSE OUT. 
          SO THOSE ARE ALL IN FRONT OF YOU NOW AS WELL. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, WE'LL SWITCH GEARS AND GO TO PRIMROSE. 
          SO, UM, MENTIONED THIS PREVIOUSLY, BUT THE CITY HAS NOW PURCHASED THE FOUR AND A HALF ACRES, I THINK IT WAS, THAT WE'RE JUST ON THE SOUTHEAST OF PRIMROSE PARK. 
          AND WE'D ALREADY OWNED SOME OF THE, WHAT I'LL CALL VESTIGIAL, RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL, ABOUT ANOTHER HALF ACRES. 
          SO WE HAVE FIVE MORE ACRES THAT HAVE EXPANDED PRIMROSE PARK, AND THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS JUST 'CAUSE DIXON ROAD SHIFTED. 
          SO IT USED TO BE A, A 90 DEGREE ANGLE THERE. 
          NOW IT'S A BIT MORE OF A, AN A, A DIFFERENT ANGLE. 
          SO WE'VE GOT MORE PARK SPACE TO UTILIZE. 
          UM, RAMONA MENTIONED THE OLD PARK AND RIDE PAVILION OR AWNING. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEING EVALUATED CURRENTLY TO SEE IF IT'S SALVAGEABLE AND CAN GO TO PRIMROSE PARK AND THE EDUCATION AREA. 
          UM, I THINK SOMETIME EARLIER THIS YEAR, ALL OF THE PARKS MEMBERS AT THAT TIME GAVE SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT. 
          IF IT'S NOT STRUCTURALLY SOUND AND CAN'T SURVIVE THAT, THEN THAT'S A, THAT'S AN OBVIOUS NO. 
          ARE WE TRYING TO RECYCLE IT OR JUST TRYING TO RE OR KEEP IT FOR LIKE, AS A, WE'VE HAD IT ORIGINALLY FOREVER. 
          AND WHAT, LIKE, WHAT ARE WE DOING IT FOR? TO SAVE MONEY OR BECAUSE LIKE IT'S JUST SOMETHING'S OLD. 
          YOU WANT LIKE A RELIC. 
          WELL, IT'LL PROVIDE SHADE FOR ONE AND THEN TWO, I THINK IT'S JUST CONSERVATION. 
          SO IN AN EDUCATION GUARD, WHAT ARE WE EDUCATING ABOUT? MM-HMM. 
          PROBABLY WATER CONSERVATION, MATERIAL, MATERIAL, REUSE, NATIVE PLANTINGS, NATIVE GRASSES. 
          I THINK IT'S PROBABLY PART OF THAT SAME EFFORT. 
          SAY YOU USING METAL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, NOW LAST TIME I THINK WE HAD BASKETBALL COURTS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS HERE. 
          IT WAS POINTED OUT, WE'VE ALREADY GOT PICKLEBALL COURTS AROUND THE CORNER AT IRENE STERN. 
          SO WE'VE TAKEN THOSE OUT AND EMPHASIZED MORE OF JUST THE BASKETBALL HERE, WHICH HELPED ALIGN THE PARKING A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          SO IT'S A, A CLEAN, UH, IN AND OUT BETWEEN PARKING, PARKING FIELDS. 
          UM, I THINK THEY WERE BOTH T-BALL FIELDS PREVIOUSLY. 
          ONE OF THEM HAS GROWN TO SOFTBALL. 
          THEY COULD BOTH GROW, THEY COULD BOTH BE MORE SOFTBALL FOCUSED. 
          AND I DON'T THINK, WHEN I SAY SOFTBALL, THAT MEANS IT'S RESTRICTED TO SOFTBALL. 
          YOU COULD STILL DO A LITTLE LEAGUE IN THERE. 
          YOU COULD STILL DO A KID'S BASEBALL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          IT'S REALLY JUST WHAT SIZE FIELD DO YOU WANT THERE. 
          MM-HMM. 
          YOU NEED SOFTBALL FOR SURE. 
          I KNOW THAT. 
          UM, YOU NEED SOFTBALL FOR SURE, BUT I DON'T KNOW NOW TIME TO DISCUSS ALL THAT. 
          BUT YOU MAY WANNA FLIP FLOP. 
          ONE OF THE SOFTBALLS WHERE WE HAVE NOW, 
          [01:15:01]
SO THE SOFTBALLS ARE TOGETHER, SO IT MAKES IT MORE SENSE, ESPECIALLY FOR PARKING. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO PARKING LOT ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER SOFTBALL FIELD VERSUS SO THE MOVE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S COOL. 
          I MEAN THAT I LIKE, I LIKE THAT. 
          UM, FIELD SIZES. 
          DO WE LIKE THE FIELD SIZES AS THEY ARE NOW? OR DO YOU WANT THAT TO CHANGE? WE NEED A LITTLE T BALL. 
          WE NEED, I THINK WE NEED TWO SOFTBALLS FOR SURE. 
          I WOULD PROBABLY PUT TWO SOFTBALLS THERE. 
          AND THEN THE ONE SOFTBALL THAT WE HAVE NOW THAT'S ALREADY THERE, TURN THAT IN INTO LIKE A LITTLE LEAGUE BECAUSE IT CAN BE A FLEX FIELD, A TRUE FLEX FIELD. 
          UM, SO I'LL SAY THE T-BALL FIELD THAT'S SHOWN HERE, CAN PROB CANNOT GROW TO THE SAME SIZE AS THE ONE TO THE LEFT. 
          YOU COULD STILL GROW IT, BUT, BUT NOT QUITE TO THE SAME EXTENT. 
          BECAUSE THERE IS A, THERE'S A CELL TOWER LEASE THAT WAS APPROVED A YEAR OR TWO AGO. 
          THAT'S ACTUALLY JUST NORTH AND EAST OF THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THIS IS DIXON THAT RUNS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE, ON THE EAST, THE SIDE. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT CELL TOWER IN? I MEAN, IT'S NOT IN THIS DRAWING, BUT IT'S, IT'S LIKE RIGHT WHERE SOME CIRCLES ARE. 
          IT'S OVER IN THIS AREA. 
          IS IT NOT ANYWHERE ON THIS MAP? SO THIS IS, UM, IT'S A BIT OF A MISNOMER. 
          IT SAYS EXISTING TREE, THAT TREE IS NOT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE CELL TOWER SIDE IS. 
          IT'S KIND WHAT I FIGURED. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT MAKING THAT CELL TOWER LOOK LIKE A TREE, LIKE IN THE HOPPERS , HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO DO THAT? I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. 
          TO TURN A PULL INTO LIKE A, LIKE YOU'LL SEE SOMETIMES I WONDER WHAT THE COST IS. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          HANDS. 
          THAT'S CHEAP. 
          NOTHING'S CHEAP. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WHEN THE SOUTH TOWER, SOUTH TOWER LEASE IS COMING FORWARD. 
          IT'S PROBABLY MORE NATURAL IN LIKE AN AREA WITH MORE PINE TREES BECAUSE THOSE WERE JUST TALLER THAN LIKE PINE TREES. 
          PINE TREES. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT TURN INTO A BIG PALM TREE. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE IN CALIFORNIA WITH THE PALM TREES. 
          UH, UM, THERE'S ANOTHER LARGE EXISTING TREE THAT'S SHOWN, UH, SORT OF AT THE RIGHT FIELD, UH, FOUL LINE ON THAT T-BALL FIELD. 
          SO JUST FOR CONTEXT, IT'D BE GREAT TO SAVE IT. 
          IT MIGHT AFFECT SOME, SOME PLAY FOR THE, FOR THE T-BALL. 
          BUT THIS, THAT'S PHASE THREE AND THAT'S PHASE FOUR. 
          YEAH. 
          AND EVENT SPACE MUSEUM, VISTA CENTER, LITTLE RESTAURANT SHELTER. 
          THAT'S PHASE THREE. 
          SO, SO GOOD. 
          GOOD QUESTION. 
          SO EVERYTHING ON THE SOUTHEAST IS WHAT WE'LL CALL PHASE FOUR. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH IS THE NEWLY ACQUIRED PROPERTY WHERE THE SOUTH SOFTBALL, THE T-BALL AND THE BASKETBALL AND THE ADDITIONAL PARKING ARE SHOWN, UH, EVERYTHING NORTH AND WEST OF THAT IS IN PHASE THREE, WHICH IS WHERE THE AMPHITHEATER IS KINDA FINISHING OUT THE POND, UH, ET CETERA. 
          WHERE THE, THE BUILDING CARVE OUT IS SHOWN THOUGH WITHIN THAT SPACE, THAT BUILDING THAT, THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT PART OF PHASE THREE. 
          UM, I THINK FOR ONE AVAILABLE FUNDS, BUT ALSO THERE'S NOT REALLY BEEN ANY SORT OF DEFINED PLAN. 
          GUESS WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE? WHICH PART? SO IT'S, IT'S RIDEALONG, HUGINS. 
          IT'S WHERE THE LABELS RIGHT NOW, BUILDING EVENTS BASED MUSEUM VISITOR, THOSE ARE ALL IDEAS THAT WERE EXPRESSED AT THE LAST MEETING. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, NOW YOU CAN'T DO ALL THINGS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS IN ONE BUILDING, BUT YOU PROBABLY COULD DO SOME OF THEM AS SORT OF, UH, JOINT PROGRAMMING. 
          MM-HMM. 
          UM, BUT I, I THINK YEAH, AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE SOME FEEDBACK ON WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE GOING, GOING FORWARD TOO. 
          DO WE HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR WANTING ARTIFICIAL TURF? YOU'RE SWITCHING GEARS. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY. 
          BACK OVER HERE TO THE SOUTHEAST. 
          OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BY THE ACCESSIBLE RESTROOMS UNDERNEATH IT. 
          GREEN SPACE, ARTIFICIAL TURF. 
          WELL, IT'S EASIER TO MAINTAIN, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE HERE TO GIVE THE RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? WELL, I WILL SAY THIS. 
          UH, AND IT'S ONLY 'CAUSE I RECENTLY WENT TO A PLACE WHERE I SAW SOME ARTIFICIAL TURF IN LIKE A STAGED, WHERE YOU COULD PUT LIKE HOPSCOTCH ON IT. 
          YOU CAN DECORATE IT IN A CERTAIN WAY. 
          AND AS MUCH AS WE ARE PUTTING NATIVES ELSEWHERE, JUST THINKING ABOUT MAINTENANCE, UM, I MEAN, I KNOW KIDS LOVE TO PLAY ON IT AND WELL, AND I MEAN, I I WOULD ALSO MAKE A COMPLAINT THAT IT GETS HOT. 
          I MEAN, IT GETS FLAMING HOT , SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE FUNNEST TO BE PLAYED ON. 
          UM, SO THAT COULD BE THE ARGUMENT TO OR FROM, BUT IN THE SENSE OF PRESERVING ALL THE REST THAT'S AROUND IT AS NATIVE AS POSSIBLE. 
          SMIDGET, ARTIFICIAL TURF. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DOESN'T SEEM SUPER FARFETCHED. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW, HOW BIG IS THAT SPACE? IT'S HARD TO TELL FROM THE, IS IT SORT OF A LOS SENTERA SIZE? WELL, LOOKING AT IT RELATIVE TO THE BASE OR BASKETBALL COURTS? YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT SIZE THE BASKETBALL COURT. 
          OH 
          [01:20:01]
YEAH. 
          PRETTY GOOD PIECE. 
          PRETTY DECENT SIZE. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYBE THE SIZE OF THIS ROOM. 
          IT'S JUST A ROUGH APPROXIMATION. 
          AND, AND, AND YOU CAN PROVIDE SOME TEXTURE ON THE EDGES TOO WITH PLANTINGS OR PLANTER OPPORTUNITIES TOO. 
          OH YEAH. 
          WE WANT FLOWERS RIGHT AROUND, OF COURSE, WANT WILD FLOWERS EVERYWHERE. 
          ISSUES AND STUFF. 
          AND, AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME TOO WAS OVER NEAR THE INTERSECTION. 
          SO THE, THE, THE EXTREME SOUTHEAST WHERE DIXON MEETS HUGINS HAVING SOME NATIVE NATIVE GRASSES THERE. 
          NOW SOME, ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO IS ACTUALLY PUT THE PARK SIGN SORT OF A TWO-FACE SIGN SO THAT WE CAN SEE IT. 
          IF YOU'RE ON HUGINS ANY, IF YOU'RE ON DIXON, THIS IS PRIMROSE PARK. 
          BUT THAT COULD BE SORT OF SURROUNDED BY NATIVE NATIVE GRASS AS WELL. 
          NOW WHOEVER GETS OUT THERE AND DOES THIS, PLEASE ASK THEM NOT TO PLANT ANY MORE BERMUDA GRASS BECAUSE WHEN YOU, THEY, THEY PLANTED BERMUDA GRASS ALONG A NATURE TRAIL, WHICH IS UNREAL. 
          BUT NOT ONLY THEY PLANTED IT, BUT BERMUDA GRASS IS FAMOUS FOR JUST INVADING EVERYTHING AND IT TAKES OVER ALL THE NATIVE GRASSES. 
          SO AS SOON AS YOU PLANT BERMUDA GRASS, YOU'RE KILLING ALL THE NATIVE GRASSES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND YOU GET TO WATER AT A TIME AND IT'S, YEAH, IT'S A HUGE WATER SPONGE. 
          SO MUCH WATER AND FERTILIZER FOR TO WEEDS. 
          AND IT'S, YEAH. 
          IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE. 
          SO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T DO THAT AGAIN. 
          PLEASE. 
          NATIVE GRASSES AROUND THE SOUTHEAST, THERE ARE A FEW, THERE ARE A FEW MIXTURES. 
          WELL THIS IS, THIS IS A PHASE FOUR SITE PLAN. 
          I THINK PHASE THREE IS COMPLETELY DESIGNED , JUST SOME WATER HOG YEAH. 
          IS ALWAYS JUST WORSE. 
          BUT I HAVE A QUESTION HOW THIS IS ALL GONNA FIT. 
          CAN'T GET RID OF IT WHERE Y'ALL HAVE PUT THIS. 
          UM, 'CAUSE IF I SEE THAT EXISTING SWALE, AND THAT'S THAT THE RETENTION POND LOOKING AREA, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN I GUESS MAYBE TO THE EAST OF THAT OR WEST OF THAT IS WHERE THAT PROPOSED TOWER IS GONNA GO. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT BETWEEN THE SWALE AND HUGGINS DRIVE PROBABLY LOOKS LIKE 75 FEET. 
          I'D GIVE YOU A HUNDRED FEET EVEN IF I WAS JUST GUESSING. 
          SO HOW IS ALL OF THIS GONNA FIT BEHIND THE EXISTING SWALE AND IN BETWEEN HUGGINS? SO FROM THE SWALE SOUTH TO HUGGINS, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU GOT THAT BIG GIANT MOUND THAT'S DIRECTLY, ALMOST DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PARKING LOT OF RE LITTLE LEAGUE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          DO YOU WANNA SPEAK TO THAT DAVID? YEAH. 
          SO THE MOUND IS GONNA BE USED DURING THE PHASE THREE RECONSTRUCTION, SO THE MOUNDS GONNA BE GONE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA START BUILDING THAT PORTION OUT. 
          SO YOU'LL START SEEING THOSE LARGER BEANS KIND OF TAKING IN INTO THAT AREA WHERE THE MOUNDS ARE AT. 
          AND THAT'LL BE ALL, UM, SCULPTED TO WHAT WE KIND OF PROPOSE ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS. 
          SO YEAH, JUST DISREGARD THE MOUND. 
          IT'S THERE NOW, BUT IT WON'T BE WHEN WE FINISH IT. 
          I SAY THEY, THEY DID USE THE CAD DRAWINGS FOR PHASE THREE, WHICH INCLUDES THE, THE, THE POND CORRECT. 
          TO, TO LAY EVERYTHING OUT FOR PHASE FOUR HERE. 
          AND SO FROM THE EDGE OF THAT, THERE'S THAT BUILDING THAT'S ON THE CORNER OF HUGGINS AND 3 59. 
          THERE'S THAT PROPERTY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          FROM THE BACK OF THAT ALL THE WAY TO DIXON ROAD. 
          THAT'S WHERE ALL THIS IS GONNA BE BUILT. 
          OBJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M JUST QUESTIONING THAT SPACE. 
          I'M LITERALLY LOOKING AT A PICTURE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SO I'M JUST QUESTIONING THE SPACE THAT, I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY WANTS TO, THIS IS WHERE ALL THIS IS. 
          SO THIS IS THAT EXISTING SWALE AND THIS, THIS RIGHT AREA RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT'S TU ANDS DRIVE, THAT'S DIXON THIS IS WHERE ALL THIS IS PROPOSED TO BE. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS GREEN SPOT RIGHT THERE. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT BIG, DOES IT? THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I'M, I'D GIVE IT 75 FEET, MAYBE A HUNDRED FEET. 
          WELL, IT'S THE SIZE OF THAT PARKING LOT RIGHT THERE. 
          TAKE THAT PARKING LOT. 
          BUT THEN YOU GOT BA BA FIELDS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN THAT, I MEAN, I'M JUST MM-HMM . 
          I'M VERY CURIOUS. 
          THERE A LOT OF TREES IN THERE. 
          THERE ARE ONE THAT'S HUGGINS DRIVE, THAT'S PRI PARKED THAT LITTLE THING. 
          AND THIS IS THE EXISTING SWALE. 
          IT'D BE LIKE THIS RIGHT? UPSIDE DOWN. 
          HOW ARE YOU GONNA PUT A FIELD IN A PARKING LOT? YEAH, THAT'S WEIRD. 
          UNLESS THAT'S REALLY DECEPTIVE LOOKING LIKE ABOUT HOW, COULD BE THE ANGLE. 
          COULD BE THE ANGLE. 
          BUT STILL, BUT YOU CAN USE THE PARKING LOT IS 'CAUSE THAT FIELD ALONE WOULD BE WAY MORE THAN THAT. 
          YES. 
          NO, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          AND SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST TRYING TO, AND THEN RIGHT HERE IS WHERE THE, UH, THE CELL TOWER'S GONNA GO. 
          SO WE, WE'LL DO, UH, WE'LL DO A COUPLE THINGS. 
          WE WILL DO, UM, AN AN ITERATION FOR THE NEXT TIME THAT SHOWS THIS WITH AN AERIAL BACKGROUND. 
          SO YOU CAN MAYBE LOOK AT IT IN THAT RESPECT. 
          I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          WE'LL PUT A SCALE AND THEN WE'LL ALSO SHOW WHERE THE SOUTH TOWER LEASE IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER, JUST, JUST FOR CONTEXT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT YEAH, I MEAN YOU CAN SEE THE, THE SORT OF LEFT, UH, THE LEFT SOFTBALL FIELD DOES EXTEND TO PHASE THREE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO JUST BY A LITTLE BIT TINY, JUST LIKE THIS IS THIS, I GOT SO, AND WHERE THE SHORE LITTLE LEAGUE PARKING LOT IS CURRENTLY, THAT IS WHERE THIS PROPOSED SWALE. 
          AND THEN IT'S LIKE THE CIRCLE AND THE SMALLER CIRCLE AND THE OTHER CIRCLE, LIKE, I GUESS THAT'S THE AMPHITHEATER OF SOME SORT, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I'M JUST, I I WOULD PROBABLY LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE, THE SPACING AND THE SIZING. 
          'CAUSE I'M, I'M QUESTIONING IT AT THE MOMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SOUNDS GOOD. 
          I THINK THAT'LL HELP. 
          YEAH. 
          IT SAYS 
          [01:25:01]
IT'S A FOUR ACRE SET ON THE LABEL, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE NOT ONLY BOUGHT OVER FOUR ACRES, NOT JUST FOUR, BUT THEN WE HAD THE, THE EXCESS RIGHT OF WAY TOO. 
          HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT SOIL? DO YOU KNOW THAT THE POND SITE, PRETTY BIG POND SITE IS, I DON'T KNOW, JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          WE CAN GET THAT FOR YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          NO, WE CAN GET THAT ACREAGE FOR YOU. 
          THAT'S NOT ON THE NEW PURCHASED LAND IS IT? OR IS IT A PIECE OF IT? BECAUSE Y'ALL KIND OF EXTENDED 'CAUSE Y'ALL KNEW YOU WERE GONNA GET IT. 
          SO YOU THE DETENTION POND? NO, I'M SORRY. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          IT, IT JUST SAYS EXISTING SOIL IT, BUT I BELIEVE IT ABOUT TWO POND TWO. 
          IT'S ABOUT TWO ACRES. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IS IT GONNA BE A DRY BOTTOM OR FILLED WITH WATER? SO IS A PART OF PHASE THREE. 
          WE ARE GOING TO TURN IT INTO, UH, WET BOTTOM. 
          WET BOTTOM, SO MM-HMM . 
          AND SO IT MAY BECOME SMALLER THAN WHAT WE SEE IN FRONT OF US. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TOO? NO, NO. 
          SI SIZE WON'T CHANGE. 
          IT'S GONNA STAY JUST LIKE IT IS. 
          CORRECT. 
          I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ALSO SEEING IS THE SLOPES BEYOND THE ACTUAL WET AREA TOO. 
          SO JUST FOR REFERENCE TO THE, THE AREA OF THE FOUR CURRENT BASEBALL FIELDS NOW IS ONLY SIX ACRES. 
          SO WE'RE, I MEAN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF ACRES FOR TWO FIELDS. 
          MAYBE IT'S JUST THE ANGLE, BUBBA, I DON'T KNOW, ONE OF WHICH IS SOFTBALL AND ONE KEY BALL. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO TWO, TWO SMALLER FIELDS. 
          YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF COOL, BUT I CAN SEE WHERE, UH, WE CAN PUT A SCALE, GO WALK IT, PUT THE CELL TOWER AREA FOR, UH, FOR CONTEXT. 
          UM, SEND US THE PICTURES AFTER YOU WALK IT AND YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN WE'LL PUT AN AERIAL IMAGERY ON THE BACKGROUND. 
          I OUTSIDE WE'RE PUTTING SOME MORE STUFF FOR THE, FOR KIDS TO PLAY ON AND SOFTBALL'S GONNA BE GREAT. 
          THAT'S A BIG, BIG PUSH, SO THAT'S AWESOME. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THANK YOU GUYS. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          UH, LAST THING OVER HERE. 
          UM, SO AS I MENTIONED THE SORT OF CARVE OUT ON THE FAR THE, THE SOUTHWEST CORNER HERE, THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN PHASE THREE, BUT IT'S WITHIN THE PHASE THREE AREA. 
          BUT IN SO FAR AS WE'RE TRYING TO UPDATE THE MASTER PLAN, WHAT WOULD BE PEOPLE'S PREFERENCE FOR THAT SPACE? DOES IT JUST MORE PARKING? IS IT A BUILDING, IS IT MORE PLAYGROUND? IF IT'S A BUILDING, WHAT, WHAT'S THAT BUILDING INTENDED TO BE USED FOR? I'M SORRY, WHAT YOU SAY? THE LEFT? YEAH. 
          WHERE SOUTHWEST CORNER? SO I'LL SAY BOTTOM LEFT CORNER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          MM-HMM . 
          I LOVE THE IDEA OF HAVING A LITTLE EATERY OF SOME KIND. 
          NOT A FORMAL RESTAURANT, BUT FOOD OF SOME KIND. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, UH, CONCESSION SOMETIMES. 
          IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? WELL, LIKE, UM, EVELYN'S PLACE, DID YOU GO ON THAT FIELD TRIP? IN, UH, IN BEL AIR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THEY HAVE A CUTE LITTLE RESTAURANT. 
          THEY JUST SELL, YOU KNOW, KID THEIR CHICKEN FINGERS, HAMBURGERS, JUST KIND OF KID FOOD, BUT, AND DRINKS AND ADULT DRINKS I THINK. 
          UM, BUT IT'S OPEN ALL THE TIME. 
          FOOD TRUCKS KIND OF COME AND GO AND THAT YOU COULD RELY ON AND IT HAS LITTLE TABLES OUTSIDE SO PEOPLE GO SIT. 
          WHO WOULD MAINTAIN THAT? YEAH. 
          LIKE WE HAVE WHOEVER GET A RESTAURANT TO MAINTAIN IT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LIKE WE WOULD HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE RESTAURANT. 
          YEAH. 
          DO WE ALL LIKE THAT IDEA? DO WE LIKE THAT FOR THE ENTIRE SPACE? I WOULD LOVE A LITTLE MUSEUM. 
          WE COULD USE PART OF IT FOR MUSEUM SPACE. 
          I THINK LIKE A MULTI-FUNCTIONING STRUCTURE WITH A, HAVE BOTH SOME POINTS TO IT. 
          A RESTAURANT, A MUSEUM. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, I THINK KENT ALSO MENTIONED ABOUT MAKING IT SO WE COULD USE IT FOR EMERGENCIES AND IT WAS A PLACE THAT WE NEEDED TO HOUSE SOME PEOPLE. 
          KIND OF A FACILITY THAT DOES THAT OF SORTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          I THINK WE HAD ANOTHER THOUGHT ON THERE FOR THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          REALLY A LOT OF THE, THE LABELS ON HERE CAN BE IN THE SAME SPACE, QUITE HONESTLY. 
          BRUSH. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          HOW BIG IS THAT A GOOD IDEA? IT IT'S ALMOST THE SAME AS THE PARKING JUST NORTH OF THAT. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. 
          THAT'S SO COOL. 
          SO THE TYPICAL PARKING SPACE IS WHAT? JUST WALKING AROUND NINE BY 18? IT'S NINE BY 20. 
          SO IT'S ACTUALLY A PRETTY LARGE SPACE. 
          I I KNOW WE, WE CALCULATED THAT PROBABLY GET FULLER HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION TO MAINTAIN THE MUSEUM ASPECT OF IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT REALLY IS MAYBE AS MANY THOSE THINGS AS POSSIBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          IN, INTO ONE SPACE. 
          NOW SHOULD CAVEAT, CAVEAT, ALL OF THESE SITE PLANS ARE CONTINGENT BOND FUNDING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO , UM, IF THERE'S NO MORE COMMENTS ON THIS ONE, WE'LL GO TO THE LAST ONE. 
          I, AND SO THIS ONE DOES HAVE SOME AERIAL IMAGERY IN THE BACK YARD. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME. 
          UM, THIS IS LAND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT FURTHER SOUTH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, OFF OF STRATMAN AND BEETLE AND FUTURE TEXAS HERITAGE PARKWAY. 
          SORRY. 
          SO THIS, THE ROAD THAT YOU HAVE GOING THROUGH THE MIDDLE HERE IS THAT STRATMAN. 
          SO THE NORTH SOUTH ROAD THROUGH THE MIDDLE IS STRATMAN, WHICH EXISTS TODAY. 
          THE EAST WEST ROAD, UM, IS BEETLE AND THE EAST WEST ROAD ALONG THE BOTTOM. 
          THAT IS JUST A, A BOUNDARY LINE. 
          I DON'T SEE AN EAST, WEST ROAD. 
          OH. 
          THROUGH THE MIDDLE. 
          SO, 
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SO ADJACENT TO WHERE THE SOFTBALL FIELDS AND, UH, SOCCER FIELDS ARE SHOWN JUST SOUTH OF THAT. 
          THAT'S THAT EAST, WEST ROAD IS BEETLE LANE. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO BEETLE LANE, OF COURSE TAKES YOU TO 7 23 STRATMAN CONNECTS TO WINTER FOSTER AND KEEPS GOING SOUTH TOWARDS THE RIVER. 
          UH, WE'VE LABELED A LOT OF THE, UM, OTHER ENCUMBRANCES. 
          SO THERE'S PIPELINES THROUGH THIS SITE. 
          THERE'S SOME EXISTING DITCHES AND DRILL SITES. 
          AND IN THE FUTURE, KIND OF IN, AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OR UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THIS SITE WOULD BE TEXAS RIDGE PARKWAY IN THE FUTURE. 
          WHERE, WHERE IS THAT? WHERE'S THE YEAH. 
          UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THIS SITE? MM-HMM. 
          ABOVE THE PIPELINE OR LEFT THE NORTHWEST CORNER? YEAH, IT WOULD, IT WOULD SORT OF ARC THROUGH THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THIS SITE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, JUST PROVIDING MORE ACCESS. 
          NOW WE MENTIONED THIS LAST TIME, BUT JUST FOR SOME CONTEXT, TAYLOR MORRISON AND TRIPOINT ARE DEVELOPING THIS AREA. 
          UH, THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF PRELIMINARY GRADING. 
          UH, FOR SOME TIME I THINK THEY'VE CLOSED BEETLE LANE, WHICH IS A COUNTY ROAD. 
          UM, AND THEY'LL BE CONSTRUCTING BEETLE LANE OFF TO THE EAST OUTSIDE OF THE SITE PLAN. 
          UM, IF YOU'RE COMING FROM SCHER TODAY, THIS IS BOAR DOWN TO THE END OF BOAR EAST DOWN WINTER FOSTER AND THEN YOU'RE HERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, STRATMAN, I MEAN PELE SHOULD BE OPEN AT THE END OF AUGUST, I THINK. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IT'S COMING UP PRETTY FAST DOWN THERE. 
          UM, TAYLOR MORRISON TRIPOINT, THEY, THEY'VE DECIDED TO CALL THEIR DEVELOPMENT THERE. 
          AANDRA SEALED FOSTER FARM SITE. 
          UM, IT'S OVER 5,000 ACRES IN TOTAL AND I THINK UPWARDS OF 2,500 ACRES AT LEAST. 
          I'M GONNA CHOOSE AN APPROXIMATE NUMBER. 
          THERE IS UNUSABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, 'CAUSE IT'S MITIGATION LAND OR IT'S FLOODPLAIN OR IT'S FLOODWAY IN SOME, SOME AREAS. 
          HOW MANY ACRES? UM, OVER HALF OF THE ACREAGE IS PROBABLY UNUSABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF THOSE MEET, IT HAS TO MEET ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES. 
          UM, AND SO THEY WERE INITIALLY WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON PARK SPACE AND THEY STILL ARE. 
          I REACHED OUT AND ASKED IF MAYBE THE CITY COULD GET INVOLVED IN PARK SPACE AND WE'VE HAD SOME GREAT CONVERSATIONS SO FAR. 
          AND WE'VE PUT TOGETHER THIS SITE PLAN BASED UPON SOME FEEDBACK FROM TAYLOR MORRISON FROM THE PARKS BOARD, UH, LAST MONTH. 
          UM, THEY WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE AS WELL SOME CONTINUED USE FOR A LARGE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE FOR AGRICULTURAL, PARTICULARLY GRAZING. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          AND THEY'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO L-C-I-S-D, UM, WHO HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN UTILIZING SOME OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL. 
          AWESOME. 
          AND SO THE IDEA I THINK WAS TO SORT OF, UM, INFUSE THE GRAZING IN AND AROUND THE PARK ON PURPOSE, NOT ONLY TO CHECK THAT BOX AND, AND THEY WANNA KEEP SOME OF THAT, BUT ALSO TOO JUST YOU'RE AT A PARK SPACE THAT'S SURROUNDED BY COWS. 
          THAT'S AWESOME. 
          AND THE VALUE THAT, THAT COULD BE THERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, NOW REAL QUICK, UM, THIS INCLUDES RIGHT NOW EIGHT SOFTBALL FIELDS, BUT AGAIN, SOFTBALL FIELDS DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BE RESTRICTED TO JUST SOFTBALL. 
          THAT'S JUST THE SIZE OF THE FIELD. 
          SURE. 
          UM, AND FOUR FULL SIZE SOCCER FIELDS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, WITH PARKING NECESSARY FOR THOSE THINGS. 
          AND SOME NATURE TRAILS, SOME MORE NATURAL SURFACE TRAILS. 
          SO YOU SEE THE 1.3 MILE ON THE WEST OVER BY THE RIVER GETTING SOME RIVER ACCESS AND THEN THE TWO MILE MM-HMM . 
          PEDESTRIAN TRAIL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          EAST OF STRATMAN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AS WELL AS A VELO TRACK, WHICH WAS I THINK SOMETHING EXPRESSED ABOUT JUST GETTING CYCLIST OFF THE ROAD. 
          GREAT IDEA. 
          SO MM-HMM . 
          THE KIDS ARE GONNA LOVE IT. 
          YEP. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH, I THINK IT'D BE PRETTY COOL. 
          IS THERE ANY ROOM IN THERE? LIKE FOR A SKATE PARK FOR KIDS? AND SO I'LL SAY WE HEARD THAT, UH, AS WELL AT A PREVIOUS PREVIOUS INPUT MEETING. 
          UM, WE DID DO A SURVEY OF PARKS COMPONENTS RECENTLY. 
          AND, AND KELLY, WHAT WAS, WHERE DID SKATE PARK RANK ? I BELIEVE WE HAD TWO PEOPLE WHO HAD SAID THEY WERE INTERESTED IN SKATE PARKS. 
          UM, OUR HIGHEST, UM, ITEMS WERE TENNIS COURTS, TRAILS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS. 
          THOSE ARE OUR TOP THREE OUT OF WELL, WE'VE GOT ALL THOSE. 
          I'M JUST THINKING WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING FOR OLDER KIDS. 
          WELL THIS, THIS TRACK WILL BE OOF. 
          YEAH. 
          SEE THOSE ADULTS OUT THERE ON THAT THING . 
          WELL, AND, AND I MIGHT SUGGEST TOO, JUST BECAUSE OF WHERE THIS IS LOCATED, THE IDEA WAS TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF IMPERMEABLE SURFACE. 
          WELL, SKATE PARKS THAT CONCRETE. 
          HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE PULLED IN THAT? JUST CURIOUS. 
          DO YOU KNOW THAT WE HAD 510 RESPONSES ON THAT SURVEY. 
          SO QUITE A FEW. 
          THE THING ABOUT CON SKATE PARKS SEEMS ALL CONCRETE. 
          IT'S EXPENSIVE. 
          YEAH. 
          CONCRETE, EXPENSIVE. 
          THEY'RE JUST NOT VERY BIG. 
          WELL, YOU GOTTA DO IT KIND OF WHERE IT'S A PLACE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'D BE LIKE IDEAL PLACE. 
          YOU ALMOST WANNA DO LIKE A, THERE'S ALREADY ALREADY A LOT OF CONCRETE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S, YOU CAN DO IT WITH THE IRENE STERN. 
          I MEAN IF WE'RE PUTTING IN MORE SOFTBALL HERE, WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF SOFTBALL THAT BETTER PLACE FOR IRENE STERN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          VERSUS LIKE WAY DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF HERE WHEN THAT'S SOMEWHERE THE KIDS COULD RIDE THEIR BIKES TOO AND CORRECT. 
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THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO GET DOWN HERE. 
          BUT I LIKE, I LIKE SKATE PARK THERE. 
          I GREW UP WITH ONE AND IT WAS PRETTY FUN. 
          LOT'S SOMETHING FOR OLDER KIDS. 
          I DO A LOT OF SOCCER FIELDS. 
          WHAT ABOUT FOOTBALL? I GET A LOT. 
          I HIT UP WITH THAT. 
          I LIKE TO SEE THESE AS MORE LIKE FLEX FIELDS. 
          I WILL SAY WITH SOCCER FIELDS, A LOT OF LIKE FLAG FOOTBALL GROUPS CAN USE IT. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAVE UNDER ARMOUR FLAG FOOTBALL STARTING THIS FALL. 
          THEY'LL BE USING FIELD A AFTER HTX. 
          SO YOU CAN USE SOCCER FIELDS AS FLEX FIELDS FOR THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          IF IT'S CHALKED, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I, BUT YES YOU CAN. 
          YES. 
          UM, BECAUSE I GET HIT, I GET, I DO SPORTS. 
          EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I GET UP, LOOK AT A LOT. 
          THEY'RE LIKE, MAN, THERE'S SO MUCH SOCCER AND THAT'S COOL THAT WE CAN DO IT. 
          BUT THERE'S NO, NOTHING'S EVER CHALKED FROM FOOTBALL, BUT THE SCHOOLS ALL HAVE SUCH BIG FIELDS, DON'T LET US PLAY ON IT. 
          OR LACROSSE. 
          THEY DON'T LET US PLAY ON LACROSSE. 
          THAT STUFF LACROSSE TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, SO MAYBE IT JUST NEEDS TO BE LABELED TO FLEX FIELDS OR YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK FLEX SOME FLEX SKILLS. 
          I'M COOL WITH THAT. 
          UM, JUST LIKE THE SOFTBALL BASEBALL, YOU CAN DO BOTH. 
          UM, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          JUST MM-HMM. 
          FLEX FIELD'S. 
          COOL. 
          YEAH. 
          AND JUST TO PUT SOME MORE CONTEXT ON THIS SIDELINE. 
          SO YOU HAVE THE AERIAL MAD IMAGERY IN THE BACK HERE. 
          TAYLOR MORRISON HAS SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WEST OF STRATMAN. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE LEFT OF THIS MAP FOR THE GRAZING. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THAT'S ALREADY WHERE THE, THE CATTLE GRAZING NOW AND UTILIZING THE STUFF ON THE EAST OR THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE MAP FOR THE HEAVIER PARK USES UP FRONT, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHERE THE CATTLE'S CURRENTLY GRAZING. 
          SO THAT, THAT EXPLAINS SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE LOCATIONS. 
          AND SO IF THEY'RE GONNA DO A VELO TRAP THAT, THAT'S ALL CONCRETE THOUGH. 
          CONCRETE AND ASPHALT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          IF YOU'RE GONNA DO LIKE A LITTLE ESCAPE THING, YOU WOULD BE KIND OF LIKE RIGHT OVER THERE. 
          THERE'S ALREADY GONNA BE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND AND SURELY YOU CAN, YOU CAN MITIGATE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE WON'T BE, THERE WON'T BE ANY OCCUPIED RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES AS PART OF THIS. 
          OF COURSE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, ANYTHING YOU BUILD ON HERE, YOU JUST WANNA KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO FLOOD IN A WORSE CASE EVENT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          CORRECT. 
          OR THOSE. 
          AND JUST THE MORE THE CON MORE CONCRETE, MORE ASPHALT, MORE IMPER SURFACE, THE MORE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO THEN MITIGATE ADDITIONALLY OR SOMETHING. 
          WHAT DO THEY CALL THEM? BUMP TRACKS? WHAT DO THEY CALL IT WHEN THE KIDS GO OVER THE LITTLE HILLS ON THE BIKES? OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE LITTLE, YEAH. 
          SO I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF SOMETHING FOR OLDER. 
          THOSE PRETE, IT'S NOT A TEAM SPORT THAT A KID COULD JUST GO DO IT. 
          TELL YOU A LOT OF KIDS PLAY PICKLEBALL. 
          YOU NEED ANOTHER PERSON. 
          I'M TRYING TO THINK OF SOMETHING ONE KID COULD GO DO BY THEMSELF IF THEY DIDN'T. 
          WELL, AND, AND THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING AS PART OF, OR JUST OFF OF THE VELO TRACK IN THIS, IN THIS SCENARIO. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT THE, THE TYPICAL ROUTE THAT'S A SPEEDIER OPTION. 
          FLATTER OPTION. 
          OR YOU CAN KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW, THE E-BIKE KIDS ARE GONNA BE USING THIS TRACK. 
          LIKE THEY'RE GONNA RIDE OUT THERE, THEY'RE GONNA USE THIS TRACK. 
          COOL. 
          THEY GOTTA GET DOWN BOAR FIRST. 
          THEY WILL. 
          DON'T WORRY. 
          THEY'LL GET THROUGH ANYTHING. 
          THOSE KIDS, THEY'RE DETERMINED RAMPS FOR DIRT BIKES, KIDS DO DIRT BIKES, SOMETHING OFF THE BLACK TRAIL. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          DIRT BIKES AND WHAT ARE, ARE THOSE CALLED BUMP? NO, THEY'RE THE E-BIKES AND STUFF TOO. 
          TO FIND A PLACE FOR THOSE GUYS TO GO BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT PROBLEM'S GONNA GO AWAY. 
          I'M TELLING Y'ALL THEY'RE GONNA BE USING THIS. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM. 
          BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DRIVE 'EM TO SCHOOLS ANYMORE. 
          NO. 
          EVERYBODY'S GOT 'EM. 
          AND THOSE KIDS ARE LIKE, THEY, THEY DON'T WANT KIDS DRIVING 'EM ANYWHERE. 
          SO IF WE CAN BUILD A PLACE FOR THEM TO RIDE 'EM, THAT MAKES IT EASIER. 
          OR ELSE THEY JUST SIT IN THE GARAGE. 
          THAT'S TRUE. 
          I THINK ALL OF THOSE USE COULD BE HERE. 
          YOU KINDA DO SOME OFFSHOOTS FOR THE MORE, UM, ADVENTUROUS OFF ROAD BUMPIER OPTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE BEST WORD WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW. 
          GO MOTORCYCLE TRACK. 
          THAT'S AWESOME. 
          I MEAN THE E-BIKE AND THE EMOTO BIKE KIDS WANT, THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY LIKE THAT STUFF BUT THEY ALSO WANT BE ON HARD SURFACE 'CAUSE THEY WANT TO BE DOING THEIR WHEELS AND STUFF. 
          THAT'S WHAT THEY LIKE TO DO. 
          WELL IN IN, IN SPIRIT OF TRYING TO THINK OF THE, AS MANY USES AS POSSIBLE FOR THINGS. 
          IF, IF YOU WANNA DO A 5K ROAD RACE RATHER THAN SHUTTING DOWN SOME, SOME VARIOUS STREETS IN THE CITY, YOU CAN DO IT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S ALL OFF STREET, BUT NOT ON BO DOCK. 
          AND NOT ON BOAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU GET HERE FROM BOAR, YOU HAVE TO BECAUSE BOAR COMES HERE AND THEN WINTER FOSTER COMES AROUND AND THEN STRATMAN GOES OFF THAT WAY. 
          SO, OH, I THOUGHT BOAR TRIP. 
          ARE WE OVER HERE THOUGH? RIGHT. 
          SO BOAR WOULD BE OFF THE PAGE HERE TO THE NORTH WEST. 
          OH, I'M GOING, I'M GOING THE WRONG WAY. 
          WE'RE UP HERE RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M GOING THE WRONG WAY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO THAT'S THE CURRENT ROUTE. 
          AND THEN TEX SEARCH PARKWAY WILL EXTEND RIGHT THROUGH HERE IN THE FUTURE AS WELL. 
          THE FAR LEFT. 
          FAR LEFT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          FAR THE LEFT UPPER LEFT CORNER. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE, THE SECTION THROUGH, UH, THE HINZ PROPERTY OR HERITAGE BEND ACROSS THE STREET HERE IS ACTIVELY GETTING BUILT NOW. 
          SO IT ALREADY GETS YOU DOWN TO WINTER FOSTER AT SOME POINT AS, AS A PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THEN, UH, AMAND TAYLOR MORRISON THAT'S DEVELOPING AROUND HERE IS WORKING FROM EAST TO WEST. 
          THAT'S COOL DUDE. 
          BUT THEN THEY'LL DO THEIR OWN PORTION OF TECH SERVICE PARKWAY THERE 
          [01:40:01]
AS WELL. 
          MM-HMM. 
          SO WHENEVER WE DO LIKE OUR LITTLE, OUR OUR ASK THE COMMUNITY ON WHAT WE SHOULD DO, WE SHOULD DO SOMETHING ALONG A, UM, A TRACK, FOUR E-BIKES AND MOTORCYCLES AND YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS THAT ALL THE KIDS HAVE THAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO AVOID, NOT GOING OVER BY MM-HMM . 
          LET'S SAY GO RIGHT OVER HERE. 
          KIDS KNOW THAT. 
          SO KIND OF OUTLET. 
          YEAH. 
          AN OUTLET. 
          YEAH. 
          'CAUSE GET 'EM OFF THE STREETS SO MUCH AND MOVE 'EM OVER THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND CAN WE DO THE, WHEN IT HAS AGRICULTURE UP IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER, IS THAT GRAZING ALSO AGRICULTURE? SO TO HAVE, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE PRETTY AS YOU COME AROUND MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S THE INTENT IS FOR IT TO BE GRAZING. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, TAYLOR MORRISON AL ALSO EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO CONNECT THEIR GRAZING AREAS TOGETHER. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE A CATTLE CORRIDOR, UM, KIND OF AT THE PERIPHERY OF THE MORE INTENSIVE PARK USE TO CONNECT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF WONDERING IF WE COULD CONNECT, YOU GOT A, A VELO TRACK AND A PEDESTRIAN TRAIL AND A NATURE TRAIL. 
          IF WE COULD CONNECT ALL OF THOSE VIA A TRAIL CONNECT, WHICH PIECES? WELL THE NATURE TRAIL TO THE PEDESTRIAN TRAIL. 
          I THINK THAT'S THE INTENT. 
          YOU WOULD OF COURSE. 
          JUST, AND YOU WOULD ANYWAYS, 'CAUSE THE CATTLE WOULD BE CROSSING THE STREET. 
          YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE A SYSTEM OF GATES. 
          TRUE. 
          WHAT CATTLE? UM, I I I'M SURE THERE'S ALREADY FENCING ON A LOT OF THIS. 
          UM, THERE IS, BUT IS IT BARB? HMM? IS IT BARB? NO. 
          UH, YES. 
          PROBABLY WIRE AND BARB. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEY GET THEIR AG EXEMPTIONS. 
          YEAH. 
          HEY, THAT'S A WIN. 
          THAT'S A LOT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE SO IT'LL BE SUCH A PASTORAL SCENE WITH GET SOME LONGHORNS OUT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          GET SOME LONGHORN. 
          YEAH. 
          MAYBE SOME OUS YOU ONE THAT CA CORRIDOR GOING LITERALLY THROUGH IN, IN SOME RESPECTS, THE CITY'S PARK SITE HELPS GIVE THAT SENSE OF IT BEING A PART OF THAT AREA. 
          MM-HMM . 
          RATHER THAN IT BEING JUST SPLIT INTO VARIOUS, LIKE EUCLIDEAN AREAS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND THEN LASTLY, LAST COUPLE THINGS. 
          THERE'S ALREADY A DITCH OR SWALE THROUGH THIS AREA. 
          IT'S PRETTY SMALL. 
          IT'S KIND OF DEVOID OF ANY NATURE. 
          I THINK THE IDEA THERE WOULD BE TO BE INSPIRED BY KIND OF WHAT'S HERE IN CROSS CREEK RANCH AND WIDEN THAT OUT. 
          RETURN IT TO MORE OF LIKE A, A NATURAL WATERWAY WITH SOME, UH, UM, WATER OR WETLAND VEGETATION AGAINST IT. 
          AND ALSO IN THE SAME TIME PROVIDE MORE, MORE DETENTION OPPORTUNITIES TOO. 
          THAT'S WHY IT STARTS TAKING MORE OF A SERPENTINE ROUTE. 
          THAT'S WHAT'S LABELED IN THE, UH, THE LIGHTER BLUE COLOR THERE. 
          MAYBE THAT PARKING AREA. 
          WE COULD DO PERMEABLE PAVERS TO KEEP WITH THE WHOLE THEME OF MORE NA NATURAL. 
          THAT'S THE MAJORITY OPINION. 
          WE'LL PUT IT ON THERE. 
          WE HAVE A BATHROOM ANYWHERE HERE. 
          UH, THERE ARE CONCESSIONS IN BATHROOM FACILITIES WHERE THERE'S TWO SPOTS IT SAYS FOR CONCESSIONS AND BATHROOMS. YEAH. 
          I THINK ONE KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, THE, THE BALL FIELDS. 
          AND THEN ANOTHER ONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, WELL CALL THEM FLEX FIELDS OR I CAN PUT LACROSSE SLASH FOOTBALL SLASH SOCCER. 
          JUST TO BE CLEAR,   SOCCER IS AN ENTIRE FIELD, LIKE AN ENTIRE PARK. 
          SO THEY'RE GOOD. 
          OR ONE CAN BE DEDICATED TO EACH , MAYBE ANOTHER BATH. 
          SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD, UH, POINT THERE. 
          SO ALL OF THIS LAND IS NOT CURRENTLY OWNED BY THE CITY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IT'S ALL OWNED BY TAYLOR MORRISON AND TRI POINT AND THAT, THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, THIS IS A DEDICATION OF LAND OPPORTUNITY TO THE CITY. 
          UM, PART OF THE RE PART OF THE WAYS THAT THEY'D BE COMMITTED TO DEDICATING LAND IS US PUTTING TOGETHER A PLAN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, THEY, 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANNA JUST DEDICATE LAND TO THE CITY OR ANY OTHER ENTITY AND NOT KNOW WHAT THE USE OF IT'S GOING TO BE. 
          UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT WAS REALLY THE, THE DRIVE BEHIND THIS MM-HMM . 
          UH, BUT THERE'S A SECOND PIECE OF THAT. 
          THEY ALSO WANNA KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO GET BUILT, UH, AND ON SOME ROUGH TIMELINE. 
          AND SO ONE OF THE WAYS I'VE SUGGESTED THAT HAPPEN IS THAT ALL THE HOMES THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE SELLING AND BUILDING NEXT DOOR PROVIDES SOME KIND OF FEE OR PAYMENT TOWARDS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PARK SPACE. 
          ONE TIME CAP FEE INTO THE COMMUNITY, LIKE CAPITALIZATION FEE INTO THE COMMUNITY, INTO THE PARK. 
          ISN'T THAT LIKE OUR PLANNING? AND THERE'S BEEN RE THEY, THEY'VE BEEN INTERCEPTED TO THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WOULD BE, BUT, UM, KIND OF CHICKEN AND NECK HERE. 
          IF WE LIKE THIS SITE PLAN, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH IT LIKE THE OTHERS IN A MORE DETAILED PLAN AND CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES. 
          SO WE CAN SEE HOW FAR SOME DOLLARS WOULD GO. 
          . 
          SO WHEN THE CITY OF FULL BE FUNDING THIS WHOLE THING ALONGSIDE, OR LIKE FORCE SHOULD BE PUT UP SOME MONEY AND THEN THE CAP FEE FROM TRI POINT AND THEN PUT UP SOME MONEY. 
          IS IT LIKE THAT? OR? I, I THINK HOPEFULLY BOTH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL GET, UH, A BETTER DEFINED CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATE FOR ALL OF THESE THINGS. 
          UM, TO WHAT EXTENT 
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IS THE DEVELOPER WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE THOSE MONIES? UM, BUT OF COURSE THAT DOESN'T ALL HAPPEN IN ONE LUMP SUM. 
          OR MAYBE IT COULD, MAYBE THERE IS A LUMP SUM CONTRIBUTION, BUT THEN OVER TIME THERE'S A FUND THAT THEY'RE PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, I KNOW IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THIS NEXT YEAR, WE'VE GOT 500, $500,000 STILL HAS TO BE APPROVED, THE BUDGET. 
          BUT THAT'S GOING TOWARDS THE PARKS MASTER PLAN IMPLEMENTATION. 
          THAT'S 500,000. 
          BUT WHERE'S THAT GONNA GO? I THINK THERE'S NOT SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT GO TO PRIMROSE. 
          IRENE STERN DOES IT GO HERE ANYWHERE ELSE? BUT OVER TIME, THE CITY CAN HAVE ITS OWN FUNDING TOWARDS THIS. 
          UM, IF IT'S AN AREA OF NATIVE, NATIVE GRASS PLANTING. 
          SO ARE WE GONNA PARTNER WITH ANY OTHER ORGANIZATIONS? SO THE LITTLE LEAGUE GONNA DO ANYTHING DOWN HERE. 
          IS HTX GONNA PARTNER WITH THE CITY DOWN HERE? I THINK IT'S, WE LOOK AT ALL THE, ALL THOSE OPTIONS. 
          THAT'S AWESOME. 
          VERY EXCITING. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL I'VE GOT ALL THE FEEDBACK AND UH, NEXT MONTH WE'LL HAVE BIRD IT. 
          THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT HAS PUT THESE TOGETHER, ACTUALLY PRESENT THEM WITH THE CONSTRUCTION ESTIMATES AND IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AND COLOR ON THE IMAGES. 
          AND ON THE 2200, THIS ONE HERE, INCLUDING THIS ONE, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE ETT DO THAT TOO. 
          THE SITE PLAN FOR THIS, ARE WE TALKING TO OTHER ENTITIES OR WE JUST STAYING WITH BURETT FOR THE, IF WE DO THIS WELL, THAT'S WHO THE CITY'S CONTRACTED WITH TO DO THE MASTER PLAN. 
          AND THIS WAS INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, I KNOW YOU LIKE SEABORN CREEK PARK, BURETT PUT TOGETHER THE PLAN FOR THAT. 
          SO YEAH. 
          AND, AND JUST, JUST FOR SOME HISTORICAL CONTEXT, EVERY TIME WE'VE DONE A MASTER PLAN UPDATE SINCE THE FIRST ONE IN 2019, UM, BIRD, BIRD HAS DONE THOSE. 
          SO THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME KNOWLEDGE AT, AT AT LEAST OF JUST WHERE THINGS HAVE GONE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          FAMILIAR. 
          YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEAH. 
          THEY JUST KIND OF THREW ME OFF WHEN THEY PUT BERMUDA GRASS EVERYWHERE. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL TALK TO HIM AGAIN. 
          WELL, THE BERMUDA GRASS WASN'T A PART OF THE BURDETT MASTER PLAN. 
          JUST FOR, JUST FOR CLARITY, THAT DECISION. 
          WELL THAT'S NOT STRICTLY RELATED TO THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE, BUT OTHER THAN TO TELL YOU THAT THAT WASN'T IN THE MASTER PLAN, WE DON'T GET TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL UNLESS YOU WANT US TO LABEL GRASS ON THOSE SITE PLANS, WHICH WE CAN. 
          BUT THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE MASTER PLAN BEFORE. 
          WELL IF YOU HAVE A, A NATIVE NATURAL TRAIL, YOU DON'T PUT NON-NATURAL GRASS IN. 
          WE COULD USE SOME OF THAT $500,000 THAT WE HAVE TO REDO SOME OF THAT. 
          YOU CAN'T THAT BERMUDA GRASS JUST TAKES OVER EVERYTHING. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WAS PHASE THREE OF PRIMROSE, PHASE TWO. 
          PHASE TWO ACTUALLY IT WAS PHASE ONE AND THEN PHASE TWO THEY WENT IN AND MESSED IT UP. 
          NICE. 
          IT WAS FINE IN PHASE ONE. 
          ANYWAY, JUST TELL ME WHEREVER YOU'D LIKE NATIVE GRASSES. 
          I'LL PULL IT UP, PUT IT IN MY BACKYARD, MAKE LIKE A NICE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I LIKE IT. 
          IT'S GOOD FOR US SPORTS PEOPLE, BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN NOW. 
          TRUE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S GREAT FOR GOLF OR WHATEVER. 
          IT'S JUST TRYING TO STRIKE A BALANCE. 
          BUT, UH, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS NO, THEN I WILL, I'LL CONCLUDE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, ITEM E, 
          [Business - E]
MONTHLY PARKS AND RECREATION BUDGET, FINANCIAL REPORT, DISCUSSION OF ANY ITEMS THE COMMISSION HAS ABOUT ANY SPECIFIC LINE ITEMS. LOTS GOING ON. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          WHOLE LOT GOING ON. 
          YES. 
          I JUST, I WROTE DOWN AN OVERVIEW OF THE FEW EXPENSES THAT I FIGURED YOU'D BE CURIOUS ABOUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, A LOT OF IT IS JUST KEEPING UP WITH PRIMROSE. 
          SO, UM, PAYING FOR THE BLEACHERS WE GOT PUT IN THE DETENTION POND, I BELIEVE. 
          DESIGN COSTS OR SOMETHING? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE HAD TO GET SOME ELECTRICAL DONE IN THE CONCESSIONS BUILDING. 
          UM, HALF DESIGN COSTS, UM, PARK FURNITURE. 
          AND THEN WE GOT, YOU KNOW, AN AD PUT ON THE BUILDING AT THE CONCESSIONS AND A COUPLE OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT, THOSE WERE SOME OF OUR JUNE EXPENSES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL. 
          ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          QUESTIONS? NO. 
          GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ITEM F, FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS. CALL TO ARTISTS IN PROCESS CURRENTLY FOR PRIMROSE MURAL. 
          AND DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS, KELLY? YES. 
          OR 
          [Business - F]
DO YOU WANT ME TO DISCUSSION OF FUTURE PARKS AND RECREATION RELATED TOPICS FOR FUTURE MEETINGS? GREAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE HAVE OUR CALL TO ARTISTS OUT RIGHT NOW FOR THE MURAL AT PRIMROSE. 
          UM, SO ALL THAT INFORMATION, IT'S ON A LINK ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED. 
          THERE'S LIKE A WHOLE PACKET OF INFORMATION, UM, FOR SUBMISSIONS. 
          AND SO THAT IS UP UNTIL THE 24TH OF AUGUST FOR SUBMISSIONS. 
          AND THEN AFTER THAT, UM, THE CITY STAFF AND EVANGELINE WILL BE REVIEWING THOSE AND THEN WE'LL BE PRESENTING THOSE, UM, FINALISTS TO YOU ALL AT A PARKS MEETING. 
          WONDERFUL. 
          SO I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          THIS IS GONNA BE PROBABLY A DUMB QUESTION, BUT IS SOMEBODY PROPOSING A PICTURE OR IS IT AN ARTIST PROPOSING THE PICTURE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO PAINT? UM, IT'S AN ARTIST PROPOSING THAT IT, IT, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OPTIONS OF HOW THEY CAN PRESENT THEIR ITEMS. THEY CAN EITHER LIKE MOCK SOMETHING UP OR DESCRIBE IT. 
          UM, BUT WE'LL HAVE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU TO SEE. 
          UM, OKAY. 
          HOPEFULLY IN THE SEPTEMBER MEETING IF WE CAN 
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GET THINGS SCHEDULED. 
          RIGHT. 
          COOL. 
          SO EVANGELINE AND STAFF MM-HMM . 
          WILL LOOK AT ALL OF THE YES. 
          WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY LIKE A GRADING. 
          UM, LIKE WE'LL HAVE IT OUT OF I THINK 25 POINTS AND JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE IT HITS THOSE NUMBERS AND ESSENTIALLY GIVE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF, HEY, THIS HAS 25 POINTS VERSUS THIS ONE HAS 20. 
          AND SO WE'LL JUST, AND THEN WE'LL LOOK AT THE NARROWED DOWN. 
          HOWEVER MANY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? I DID, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ASKED ABOUT WHO WAS GONNA MAINTAIN THAT FIELD IS, UM, MY SON, MY SON'S HOME FROM A AND M AND HE'S BEEN DOING PICKUP GAMES AT EAGLE LANDING PARK. 
          HE SAID IT'S IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE. 
          HE SAID LIKE, THERE'S A LOT OF DIRT, A LOT OF HOLES ON THOSE FIELDS AND I JUST, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MAINTAINING THOSE FIELDS, I THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT FIELD MAINTENANCE AT THE NEXT MEETING. 
          IF THAT'S ON, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE OFFLINE AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          GREAT. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S ALL. 
          UM, ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE FUTURE? THE ITEMS? NO. 
          ALL ITEMS. ANYONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          A MOTION? MOTION PASSES AND THE MEETING IS OPPOSED AT 10 53. 
          THANK YOU ALL.
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