* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] GOOD EVENING [CALL TO ORDER] EVERYBODY, AND, UH, WE'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYBODY. IT'S OUR HONOR TO CALL THIS MEETING TOGETHER, THE SRE CITY COUNCIL TO ORDER. UH, TODAY IS, UH, OCTOBER, TUESDAY, OCTOBER THE 15TH, AND IT IS FIVE 30. THANK Y'ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO THE COMMUNITY. WE APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. FIRST I'D LIKE TO ASK, UH, SECRETARY CITY, SECRETARY MARITA TO CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE. COUNCIL MEMBER POOLE HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER POWERS PRESENT. MAYOR HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER BARON. HERE. MAYOR PROTON PATTERSON. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KAR HERE. AND COUNCIL MEMBER KNAPE. THANK WE HAVE A QUORUM. RIGHT. AND WE HAVE ONE. AND JOHNSON IS ABSENT TODAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. BEFORE WE BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO ASK MY PASTOR, UH, DR. CHARLES WISDOM, WOULD YOU PLEASE COME UP FOR TONIGHT'S INVOCATION, PLEASE, SIR. THESE RIGHTS. DO YOU HAVE A MIC AT THE PODIUM? UH, THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. UH, MR. MAYOR AND COUNSEL, BEFORE I SAY THE INVOCATION, UH, I'D LIKE TO REMIND OUR COMMUNITY THAT, UM, JOY, UH, EXCUSE ME, MRS. JUDY MCCOY, YOUR MOM PASSED AWAY A FEW DAYS AGO. SEVERAL DAYS AGO NOW. YES, SIR. BUT, UH, THIS THURSDAY AT 11 O'CLOCK AT THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH ON THE CORNER OF FRY ROAD, 1463, THERE WILL BE A CELEBRATION OF LIFE, AND WE'D CERTAINLY LIKE TO WELCOME ALL OF YOU TO BE THERE IF YOU CAN, ANY OF YOU POSSIBLY, AND TO PRAY FOR THE MCCOY FAMILY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WOULD YOU JOIN ME, PLEASE? FATHER, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THIS MEETING. WHAT IT REPRESENTS, UH, PEOPLE WHO COME TOGETHER VOLUNTARILY TO, UH, HELP ONE ANOTHER AND TO HELP STRENGTHEN AND BLESS AND, UH, MOVE OUR CITY FORWARD IN, UH, MANY, MANY POSSIBLE WAYS. PROFIT, PROFITABLE WAYS WE ASK LORD, YOUR BLESSINGS AND GUIDANCE UPON THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE GIVING THIS LEADERSHIP TO US AND ASKING YOU TO PLEASE GIVE THEM YOUR WISDOM AND YOUR PRESENCE. FATHER, WE DO THANK YOU FOR, UH, JUDY MCCOY WHO LOVED THIS CITY AND WAS SO ENGAGED IN SO MANY WAYS. AND, UH, WE, WE PRAY NOW FOR THE MCCOY FAMILY, UM, FOR, UM, OUR MAYOR, FOR OUR ASSISTANT CHIEF OF POLICE, UM, MIKE MCCOY, AND YOUR BLESSINGS UPON ALL OF THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES. AND WE ASK YOUR PRESENCE TONIGHT, AND WE PRAY IN THE NAME OF THE NAME, WHICH IS ABOVE ALL NAMES. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF YOU PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE. THANK YOU. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. NOW, THE TEXAS PLEDGE. PLEASE HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. PLEASE BE SEATED. AND HERE WE GO. I'D LIKE TO SAY AS WE, AS WE COME TOGETHER, UM, I WANNA THANK EVERYBODY. WE REMIND EVERYBODY OF OUR SHARED RESPONSIBILITY TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY, UH, WITH RESPECT IN KEEPING THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR CITIZENS, OF RE AT THE FOREFRONT OF OUR CON OF OUR DECISIONS THIS EVENING. SO [CITIZEN COMMENTS ( Part 1 of 2)] WE'LL MOVE ON TO CITIZENS' COMMENTS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO SPEAK TO COUNSEL RELATING TO AGENDA AND NON AGENDA ITEMS. UH, SPEAKERS ARE ADVISED THAT THE COMMENTS CANNOT BE RECEIVED ON MATTERS, WHICH ARE THE SUBJECT OF A PUBLIC HEARING. ONCE THE HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED. SPEAKERS ARE REQUIRED TO REGISTER IN ADVANCE AND MUST LIMIT THEIR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES. AND WE DO HAVE MS. GILMORE, PLEASE. GOOD EVENING, MS. GILMORE. HOW ARE YOU TODAY? NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. TO THE MAYOR OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS. MAYOR WIND. I'M HERE IN REGARDS TO THE TRAFFIC ON FIFTH AND WILSON. UH, SIMS IN HOUSTON. UM, MY REGARDS IS TO, UM, SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT GETTING SOME STOP SIGNS OR, I MEAN, SOME, UH, WHAT IS THAT? THE, THE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS OR WHATEVER THERE, BECAUSE THEY COME THROUGH REAL FAST. NOBODY SLOWS DOWN. WE HAVE THE BARBERSHOP. IT'S, IT IS JUST SPEEDING THERE ON BOTH STREETS. SAMS FIFTH, WILSON AND [00:05:01] HOUSTON. AND ON HOUSTON, THEY JUST GO THROUGH THE STOP SIGN. SO WE WANNA, I CAME ON, ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZEN AND THE, UH, COMMUNITY OVER THERE TO ACCEPT SOMETHING BE, YOU KNOW, DONE ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S TOO DANGEROUS. AND I'VE, AS Y'ALL KNOW, UH, I'M MS. GILMORE LATE PASTOR GILMORE WIFE. AND, UM, IT'S REALLY TRAUMATIZING. AND SO WHEN I SEE THAT HAPPENING, THEY SPEEDING AND EVERYTHING OR WHATEVER, IT KINDA, YOU KNOW, BOTHERS ME. 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT NOBODY TO GO THROUGH WHAT ME AND MY FAMILY ARE GOING THROUGH NOW, SO WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE ABOUT THAT. THE SPEEDING. AND I'M SURE SOME OF THEM, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE SCHOOL, COMING BACK FROM THE SCHOOL, THE BARBERSHOP IS THERE AND SO MANY TIMES IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY BARELY MISS EACH OTHER BECAUSE THEY'RE SPEEDING TOO FAST. BUT HE DO HAVE A SIGN ON, ON WILSON, BUT IT'S LIKE IN THE, ON THE OTHER PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET. MM-HMM. . AND IT'S THERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY CAN, I DON'T THINK THEY NOTICE IT BECAUSE THE WAY THEY SPEED THROUGH THERE. AND WE ALL HAVE CHILDREN ON EACH ONE OF THOSE BLOCKS. YES MA'AM. YOU KNOW, AND SO WE WANT TO KEEP 'EM SAFE AND KEEP THE OTHER FAMILY SAFE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MS. GILMORE, TAKE NOTE. NEXT UP, UH, MS. MS. WARD, HOW ARE YOU THIS EVENING? GOOD, HOW ARE Y'ALL? JUST GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M HERE. I LIVE AT 4 0 1 9 LEAH LANE AND I'M HERE TO REGISTER SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE BUILDUP GOING ON BY HIGH 10 BELMONT ESTATES. THERE'S BUILDUP IN PLACES THAT AREN'T APPROVED. I'VE HAD SOME EXCHANGES WITH FORT BEND COUNTY AND FORT BEND COUNTY ASSURES ME THE ONLY THING THAT SHOULD BE BUILT UP IS HOUSE PADS AND ROADS. THEY'VE GOT OTHER AREAS LIKE RIGHT ALONG BOAT ARC, SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. THEY'VE GOT THAT BUILT UP TWO OR THREE FEET. SO I HOPE THE CITY IS CLOSELY MONITORING THAT. UM, I KNOW THE APPROVAL WAS BASED ON SOME MISINFORMATION AND I'VE BROUGHT THAT UP ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. FOR INSTANCE, I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THEY SAID IN THEIR PLANS THERE WAS A DRAINAGE DITCH RUNNING EAST AND WEST. UM, BETWEEN LEAH LANE AND THAT PROPERTY, THERE NEVER HAS BEEN A DITCH. MM-HMM. NEVER. I VERIFIED IT WITH PROPERTY OWNERS WHO'VE HAD PROPERTY OUT THERE FOR 38 YEARS, NEVER HAD A DITCH. SO THE DRAINAGE CONCERNS ARE, ARE REALLY HUGE AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE BUILDUP THAT THEY'RE DOING. SO I HOPE THE CITY IS LOOKING CLOSELY AT THAT 'CAUSE I SURE WILL BE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WISHED TO MAKE COMMENTS THIS EVENING THAT DID NOT SIGN IN IN ADVANCE? JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE AND EXERCISING YOUR RIGHTS TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL. WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. NEXT WE'RE [CITY MANAGER] GONNA MOVE ON TO CITY MANAGER. UH, BRIEFINGS AND UPDATES MAY BE PROVIDED BY, UH, REGARDING CITY SERVICES, ADMINISTRATIVE AND PERSONNEL MATTERS, REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, INFRASTRUCTURE, EVENTS, REGULATIONS, COMMUNITY AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS ISSUES. SO, MR. GOODLAND, THE FLOOR IS YOURS, SIR. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AS I CAN, ALTHOUGH I'VE GOT A LOT TO UPDATE YOU ON. THAT'S GREAT. UH, FIRST, UH, NEW HIRES WE'VE, UH, WELCOMED TO DALIA CAMPOS CAMPOS AS OUR NEW UTILITY BILLING SPECIALIST. UH, SHE'S A RESIDENT OF CROSS CREEK. I DON'T BELIEVE SHE'S HERE TONIGHT. OKAY. UH, WE'VE ALSO WELCOMED YI FIGUERA FIGUEROA AS A UTILITIES CUSTOMER SERVICE REP. I DON'T BELIEVE SHE'S ALSO HERE TONIGHT. UH, AND AND THIRDLY, WITHIN THE UTILITIES, UH, BILL INC. AREA, WE WELCOME STEPHANIE TORRES, WHO IS HERE THIS EVENING. I'M STEPHANIE. STEPHANIE, STAND UP. SEE YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE IT. GLAD TO HAVE YOU STEPHANIE. ALRIGHT. AND SHEPHERDING THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT WILL BE BEN GLENN, WHO MOVES FROM ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF HO WORKS TO UTILITIES DIRECTOR, WHO IS ALSO HERE. ALL RIGHT, BEN, CONGRATULATIONS SIR. CONGRATULATIONS THIS MONTH. WE'VE ALSO WELCOMED CONNOR CASKEY AS A NEW, UH, PD OFFICER. I DON'T BELIEVE. I DON'T BELIEVE CONNOR'S HERE. UM, AND LASTLY, WE'VE ALSO WELCOMED NIMRAH BERT AS A GRANTS AND PLANNING ADMINISTRATOR WITHIN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND NIMRAH IS HERE. YEAH. HELLO, NIMRAH. NICE TO SEE YOU TONIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME DEPARTURES. UH, WE'VE PARTED WAYS WITH SARAH LASKER FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. SARAH SERVED AS A PERMITS CUSTOMER SERVICE REP, UH, AS WELL AS MARK MORRIS, OUR TRAFFIC CONTROL MAINTENANCE TECHNICIAN, THE SIGN GUY. UM, CERTAINLY SAD TO SEE THEM GO. ALSO, BOBBY VIA, HE MIGHT'VE SEEN SOCIAL MEDIA IS NO LONGER THE DETECTIVE. HE'S, UH, PURSUING HIS OWN VENTURES BEYOND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THIS POLICE DEPARTMENT ALSO REPORTED AWAY TO MICHAEL CYRAN AS WELL. SO, UH, WE ALSO [00:10:01] HAVE ALREADY MADE OFFERS AND HIRES AND A COUPLE MORE POSITIONS AND YOU'LL WELCOME THESE PEOPLE NEXT MONTH. ANYTHING FROM CUSTODIAN TO PROJECT MANAGER, CONSTRUCTION INSPECTOR, UTILITIES MANAGER, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SO NEXT MONTH WE'LL BE VERY BUSY. UM, NEXT MONTH, WE'LL, WE'LL ALSO NO LONGER BE SEEING SHARON HERE. SHARON HAS DECIDED TO TO RETIRE. AND I THINK SHE'LL JUST MISS, I WILL JUST MISS THE NOVEMBER MEETING. SO THIS WAS YOUR LAST MEETING, SHARON. THIS WAS MY MEETING. WELL, LET'S, UH, GIVE YOU A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR YOUR LONG TIME. SO, MR. THANK YOU. BARRING ANY SPECIAL MEETINGS, WHICH YOU NEVER CAN NEVER COME UP, YOU NEVER KNOW. RIGHT. UH, THAT CONCLUDES CHANGES TO VARIOUS CITY STAFF MEMBERS FOR NOW. UM, ITEM B PROJECT UPDATES FOR SHORE WATER PLANT NUMBER TWO, OR THE PECAN RIDGE WATER PLANT, AS WELL AS ITS ADJACENT ELEVATED STORAGE TANK. UH, AT, AT THE WATER PLANTS THE TANK, THE DN TANKS HAS ERECTED WALL AND DOME PANELS FOR THE GROUND STORAGE TANK. UM, ALLSTATE TESTED THE WELL PUMP UP TO 1500 GPMS OR GALLONS PER MINUTE DURING THE WELL DEVELOPMENT TESTING ON OCTOBER 6TH. THEY, UM, THE CMU MOCK-UP WALL FOR THE CHEMICAL ELECTRICAL BUILDING WAS COMPLETED AND INSPECTED ON OCTOBER 10TH. UH, YARD PIPING FOR THE PUMP STATION WAS COMPLETE. UM, SOME OTHER SITE IMPROVEMENTS LIKE STORM SEWER LINES, MANHOLES HAVE BEGUN. UH, DUE TO, UH, THIS SUMMER'S WEATHER EVENTS, PARTICULARLY HURRICANE BARREL AND OTHER THINGS, PROJECT REMAINS THREE WEEKS BEHIND STILL. UH, THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS CURRENTLY 46% COMPLETE BASED ON DAYS AND 56% COMPLETE BASED ON DOLLAR SPENT SO FAR. AND TO DATE, WE'VE BEEN INVOICED FOR 8,000,060 $8,000 WITH A TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET OF 14.4 MILLION. UM, THE ADJACENT STORAGE TANK, THE SHROUD FOR THE ELEVATED TANK, HAS BEEN INSTALLED IN PREPARATION FOR THE TANK TO BE PAINTED, WHICH SHOULD HAPPEN PRETTY SOON. UH, AND ACTUALLY WILL BE COMPLETE SOMETIME IN LATE OCTOBER. UH, CURRENT ESTIMATED COMPLETION IS STILL THE END OF 2024, SO PROBABLY BY CHRISTMAS. UH, THAT CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS CURRENTLY 84% COMPLETE BASED ON DAYS AND 82% COMPLETE BASED ON DOLLAR SPENT AND DATE. WE'VE SPENT 3.5 MILLION WITH A TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET OF 4.2 MILLION. SO I'M STARTING TO SEE THAT ONE COME TO THE FI THE FINISH LINE ACTUALLY. UH, AND AS WELL, COORDINATION MEETINGS CONTINUE TO TAKE PLACE BETWEEN THE ADJACENT DEVELOPER, PECAN RIDGE, UH, THE STORAGE TANK ENGINEER, THE WATER PLAN ENGINEER, THE VARIOUS CONTRACTORS AND CITY STAFF. UH, ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE TWO BIG PROJECTS? QUESTION, ZACH, COULD YOU REPEAT THE, THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT WERE SPENT? I THINK, UH, $8 MILLION ON THE WATER PLAN NUMBER TOO. THAT'S RIGHT. I, UM, I ROUNDED, BUT IT IS $8,068,145. OKAY. 8 MILLION BLISS IS OKAY. 8 MILLION PLUSES. OKAY. SO COMPARED TO THE PERCENTAGE COMPLETE, HOW CLOSE ARE WE ON THE, THE SPEND? WE ARE A LITTLE LOWER. 50% I WOULD SAY. RIGHT. THE TOTAL PROJECT BUDGET WAS 14,434,000. SO WE ARE 56% COMPLETE. OKAY. FOR DOLLARS, 6% SPEND EXPENSES, BUT 46% COMPLETE BASED ON DAYS. MM-HMM. . OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , UH, MOVING ON. ITEM C, AS WE SEE TWICE A YEAR, UH, ANNUALLY, THE KEEP OSHA BEAUTIFUL EVENT IS COMING UP. IT WILL TAKE PLACE THIS YEAR ON NOVEMBER 16TH, THE IRENE STERN BUILDING. UM, THERE IS A REQUIRED SIGNUP SHEET ON OUR WEBSITE FOR VOLUNTEERS. UH, RAMONA RIDGE HAS BOOKED DOZERS TO SERVE THOSE VOLUNTEERS WITH SOME LUNCH. AND MOST CITY REPTILES WILL HAVE A HANDS-ON REPTILE BOOTH FOR ANY VOLUNTEERS THAT WANTED PARTAKE, THAT FELL RISKY ENOUGH TO DO SO. AS WE CLEAN UP, I SURE WE MAY HAVE A FEW MORE REPTILES TO ADD TO THIS, TO THE MENAGERIE. THAT'S RIGHT. INTEREST WASH YOUR HANDS. UH, THE NORTH FORT BEND WATER AUTHORITY INTERACTIVE TRUCK, UH, WILL ALSO BE THERE. THEY WERE HERE THIS, UH, PAST SPRING AT THE SPRING CLEANUP AND THEY'LL BE THERE AGAIN. UH, JUST WITH SOME INTERACTIVE DISPLAYS, BROCHURES, ET CETERA. UH, IF YOU, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN CURIOUS AND HAVEN'T ALREADY GOTTEN AN ANSWER ON WHAT THAT MEANS, WHEN YOUR WATER BILL, NOW'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND OUT. UH, AND ACTUALLY WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF PUT SOMETHING ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL, AND SOCIAL MEDIA JUST TO KIND OF FURTHER THAT, THAT EDUCATION. LASTLY, THE PARKS AND PATHWAYS SURVEY, UH, AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, WAS OUT FOR SOME TIME. IT IS CLOSED. IT CLOSED SUNDAY. UH, HAVING BEEN ALIVE FOR APPROXIMATELY EIGHT WEEKS. UH, WE RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY 950 RESPONSES WOW. THAT WE WILL NOW UTILIZE TO UPDATE THE PARKS AND PATHWAYS MASTER PLAN. SO THAT'LL INFORM, OF COURSE, THE LATTER STAGE OF PRIMROSE FRANCIS MAR IRENE STERN, TO THE EXTENT THE CITY WANTS TO DO A, A PARKS BOND, FUTURE PARK PROJECTS, ET CETERA. SO THAT, [00:15:01] THAT RESIDENT SURVEY DATA WILL BE, UM, VERY CRITICAL AS WE MOVE FORWARD. BUT ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? SO WE'RE IN THE SECOND PHASE OF THE PARK RIGHT NOW. DID YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? UM, WELL, JUST TO GO BACK A LITTLE BIT, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE, WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE SURVEY DATA FOR THE PARKS SINCE I THINK 2018. MM-HMM. . RIGHT. SO FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS WE'VE BEEN RELI UPON SOME OLD SURVEY DATA. AND COURSE VRE LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT IN 2024 THAN IT DID IN 2018. SO THIS SURVEY DATA IS VERY CRITICAL FOR US. UM, PHASE TWO OF PRIMROSES PARK, WHICH IS REALLY THE, THE CRUX OF IT WITH THE BASEBALL FIELDS IS ALREADY OUT BID. AND WE'RE HOPING, UH, BARRING ANY ISSUES TO COME TO NOVEMBER, NOVEMBER'S COUNCIL MEETING WITH A CONSTRUCTION AWARDING FOR THAT PROJECT. UM, THAT REALLY LEAVES PHASE THREE LEFT AT PRIMROSES PARK, WHICH WITH THE CURRENT ITERATION OF THIS MASTER PLAN WOULD BE THE LAST LITTLE BIT OF PARKING ALONG HUGINS ROAD, THE AMPHITHEATER, UM, POTENTIALLY SPORTS COURT AND ANYTHING THAT WE WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE DONE IN PHASE TWO, BUT DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO SO. UM, I KNOW ONE TIME WE TALKED ABOUT LIGHTING OR A RESTROOM FACILITY. UM, WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO COLLECT QUITE A BIT OF PARK FEES SINCE WE LAST TALKED ABOUT PRIMROSES PARK. SO WE'RE HOPING TO NOT HAVE TO KICK THOSE TO FUTURE PHASE, BUT SHOULD THAT BE NECESSARY, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT IN PHASE THREE. MM-HMM. . SO, SO ZACH, JUST, UH, TO COMMENT BACK ON THE SURVEY RESULTS, UM, SO IF I DID THE MATH RIGHT, WE'RE ROUGHLY ABOUT LESS THAN 3% RESPONSES OF POPULATION WITHIN CITY LIMITS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY SAD FOR THE CITIZENS IN THIS CITY THAT WE PUT OUT A FREE SURVEY WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO ANYWHERE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING BESIDES GO ONLINE AND FILL OUT A SURVEY OF THREE MINUTES TO GET SOME INPUT. SO, UM, YOU COULD DO BETTER. AND THAT'S FOR EVERYBODY OUT THERE LISTENING. MM-HMM. , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY RESULTS YET WE CAN TALK ABOUT OR NOT? UH, TIFFANY, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY IDEA OF THOSE RESULTS, HIGHLIGHTS, BIG THINGS, BUT YEAH, JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY STOOD OUT. 'CAUSE I KNOW MR. POOL IS ANXIOUS FOR A BALL FIELD FOR SURE. YES. SO, UM, THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON COMPILING ALL OF THE DATA FOR US TO BE ABLE TO REALLY EVALUATE. UM, THE LAST RECORDS THAT I SAW WERE, UM, VARIOUS SPORTS COURTS WERE VERY HIGH TENNIS, PICKLEBALL, UM, TRAILS. ALL OF THOSE ASPECTS WERE ALL VERY, UH, HIGHLY FAVORABLE ON EACH CATEGORY THAT THEY WERE APPLICABLE TO. UM, AS FAR AS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WAS RELATED TO, UM, IF PEOPLE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN POTENTIALLY SUPPORTING A BOND, UM, FOR THOSE PARKS AND ACTIVITIES, UM, THAT WERE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THAT, UM, SURVEY. AND MOSTLY IT WAS MOSTLY FAVORABLE. UM, A LARGE PERCENT, UH, IT WAS LIKE NOT LIKELY TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT LIKELY TO VERY LIKELY WAS KIND OF THE RANGE. AND, UH, FOR THE MOST PART, SOME, MOST PEOPLE WERE, UH, YOU KNOW, 40, LIKE 45% WAS ONE OF THE NUMBERS I THINK I SAW ON VERY LIKELY TO SUPPORT A BOND. AND TIFFANY, WE'LL GET THE KIND OF A FULL READOUT GOING INTO OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. CORRECT. YEAH. SO, UM, AT THE NEXT PARKS BOARD MEETING, I'LL, UM, SHARE ALL OF THOSE RESULTS. UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS AS FAR AS BRINGING THE ACTUAL RESULTS OF THE SURVEY TO COUNCIL, BUT, UM, WE'RE TAKING, OUR PLAN IS TO TAKE THE, UM, THE SURVEY RESULTS AND THEN KIND OF LOOK AT HOW THOSE ASPECTS, UM, CAN BE IMPROVED INTO THE DIFFERENT PHASES OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT. SO, UM, EAGLE LANDING IS OBVIOUSLY IN CONSTRUCTION, SO IT'S NOT PART OF THE SURVEY AND WOULDN'T, OR PART OF THE MASTER PLAN. AND THEN PRIMROSE IS ALSO NOT PART OF THE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE THAT PARK IS ALREADY IN MOVING INTO CONSTRUCTION OR ALREADY IN DESIGN. SO IT WOULD JUST BE LOOKING AT IRENE STERN, FRANCIS SMART, AND THEN, UM, THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, LIKE A MOCKUP OF A POTENTIAL PARK IF WE BOUGHT MORE LAND. UM, SO THOSE WOULD BE LOOKED OUT OF HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THOSE RENDERINGS, UH, WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN BASED OFF OF THOSE RESULTS. JUST TO, UH, EMPHASIZE WHAT COUNCILMAN CANNOT BE SAID, WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS OFF OF WHAT THOSE SURVEYS SAY AND IF ONLY 900 PEOPLE IN THE WHOLE CITY TAKE THE SURVEY, WE'RE NOT GETTING A RIGHT ANSWER AND WE NEED TO HAVE YOUR INPUT ON THESE TYPES OF THINGS. ARE WE GONNA MAKE A DECISION THAT YOU MAY NOT LIKE? BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE IT ON WHAT WE HAVE. SO YOUR INPUT IS IMPORTANT. THANK YOU. THIS IS THE ONLY SURVEY THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING OUT FOR THE TIME BEING, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. UH, AND I THINK IT, IT, IT WILL DEFINITELY COME BACK TO COUNCIL 'CAUSE TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BOND NEXT YEAR, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THAT SURVEY DATA AS A GROUP I THINK WILL BE REALLY RELEVANT. WHAT PART, WHAT PROJECTS, WHAT PARKS DO WE WANNA SPEND MONEY ON OR PUT ON THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE BALLOT TO POTENTIALLY SPEND MONEY ON? UM, I, I'LL SAY A COUPLE JUST ANECDOTES. [00:20:01] I THINK MIDWAY WE KIND OF CHECKED IN ON THE SURVEY RESULTS AND I WAS KINDA SHOCKED, BUT AT THE TIME TENNIS COURTS WERE NUMBER ONE. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS ACTUALLY KIND OF INTERESTING 'CAUSE YOU DON'T HEAR THAT I FEEL LIKE AS MUCH. BUT, UH, ONE INTERESTING NOTE. ONE OF THE CRITICAL QUESTIONS THAT WAS IN THE SURVEY OF COURSE WAS IRENE STERN. DO WE WANT THAT TO BE A REC CENTER? DO WE WANNA GET INTO THAT BUSINESS SENIOR CENTER, COMMUNITY CENTER? SO THE SURVEY RESULTS THERE WILL BE REALLY INFORMATIVE OF A, A BOND DISCUSSION AS WELL. MM-HMM, . SO A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT SURVEY I'VE, UH, HEARD FROM SEVERAL FOLKS. IF YOU CLICK ON THE LINK AGAIN AFTER YOU'VE SUBMITTED WITH, DOES THAT GET COUNTED AGAIN AS THEY VOTE? OR IS THAT A, UH, YOU, I YOU CAN IDENTIFY DUPLICATES. UM, I, I'M NOT SURE THE FIRM ACTUALLY GETS ALL OF THOSE. WE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT. UM, I KNOW THAT THEY UTILIZED AI TO KIND OF GROUP THINGS TOGETHER WHEN PEOPLE, UM, WHEN THEY CLICKED ON OTHER AND SUBMITTED CERTAIN THINGS. SO I, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IF THIS PERSON TAKES IT TWICE, IT PROBABLY COUNTED TWICE. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . DO WE, SO I DON'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE, WHAT WENT INTO THE SURVEY IF YOU JUST CONTACTED A COMPANY AND SAID, HEY, WE WANNA DO A SURVEY AND THEY PUT IT ALL TOGETHER OR NOT. BUT, UM, DO WE HAVE A WAY OF KNOWING THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA OF THE RESPONDENTS? IN OTHER WORDS, DID THESE 800 PEOPLE RESPOND FROM THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AREA? DID THEY RESPOND FROM ALL OVER? DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA? BECAUSE DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LIVE, IT'S GONNA HAVE A LOT TO DO PROBABLY WITH WHAT YOU THINK IS INTERESTING. JUST A QUESTION. I DON'T BELIEVE SO, BUT I CAN INQUIRE. FAIR CERTAIN IT'S NO, YEAH, WE, WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, BUT YES, I THINK IT IS. NO, WE THOUGHT ABOUT ZIP CODE FOR INSTANCE, BUT AS WE, AS PEOPLE MIGHT WELL KNOW HERE, ZIP CODES DON'T OR AREN'T VERY INFORMATIVE OF WHERE YOU ACTUALLY LIVE IF WE'RE INTO THE CITY FULL OR NOT. BUT ALSO, IF YOU PUT YOUR SPECIFIC ADDRESS, WOULD THAT MAYBE POSES A BARRIER OF ENTRY FOR PEOPLE WANTING TO FILL THE SURVEY OUT, PARTICULARLY IF THEY WANTED TO REMAIN AT LEAST, OR PROVIDE SOME, AN ANONYMITY IN THE PROCESS. SO FOR THOSE REASONS, NO. BUT BECAUSE OF HOW WE BROADCAST IT, WE BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE ALL AT LEAST RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF SHORE. ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TIFFANY, ONE MORE THING, UH, THAT'S NOT ON HERE, BUT, UH, I'LL BRIEFLY PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON, 'CAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT LAST COUNCIL, LAST COUNCIL MEETING. UM, SO WE'RE ALL AWARE, UM, HURRICANE BERYL DID SOME DAMAGE TO THIS BUILDING. UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE, WE TALKED QUITE LENGTHY, UH, IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS ABOUT, UH, WARRANTIES AND INSURANCE, ET CETERA. UH, I THINK AS WE REFERENCED LAST TIME, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, PARTICULARLY WITH FEMA, TO SEE WHAT WE CAN GET. AND WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN SOME MONEY FROM FROM TML, WE PUT IT OUT FOR BID FOR, UH, SOME PROPOSALS ON, ON SOME WORK THAT WE FELT LIKE WOULD'VE MITIGATED FUTURE, FUTURE STORMS. UH, WE RECEIVED ONE BID, UH, THAT WAS APPROVED LAST MONTH BY COUNSEL, PENDING FINAL LEGAL REVIEW. AND THE COURSE OF THAT, THE CONTRACTOR, UH, FOLLOWED UP AT ONE POINT WITH AN ALL CAPS, UH, BOLD INSERT BOLD, UH, THAT HE WILL NOT WARRANTY ANY OF HIS WORK. MM-HMM, WELL, FOR THE DOLLARS EXPENDED, THAT'S JUST PROBABLY ISN'T GONNA MAKE A LOT OF FISCAL SENSE. SO WE'VE DECIDED TO PENDING OR AFTER THAT LEGAL REVIEW, TO NO LONGER MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ROUTE. AND INSTEAD TAKE A STEP BACK, GO A LITTLE BIT SLOWER, LET'S WORK WITH A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER FIRM. WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS WRONG WITH THE BUILDING? WHERE, HOW DO WE FIX IT? AT WHAT COST? DOES IT MAKE SENSE? SO LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE HOLISTICALLY AND I THINK MORE SENSIBLY. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S A FIRM, MAYBE YOU CAN USE THAT FIRM FOR OTHER THINGS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EVALUATING THIS BUILDING LONG TERM. HOW DOES POLICE GROW? I THINK IT JUST, IT'S A BETTER MOVE ACTUALLY. SO WE'LL MAKE THE MOST OF IT AND I THINK GO FORWARD BETTER. ABSOLUTELY. AND GO SLOW AND BE FORWARD THINKING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ZACH. ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS? BYRON, [CITIZEN COMMENTS ( Part 2 of 2)] COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION BEFORE I GO TO THE NEXT ITEM? PLEASE? UH, HAD A LADY, UH, WALK IN THAT WANTED TO BE ON THE, UM, UH, THE CITIZEN'S COMMENTS, BUT I THINK TRAFFIC OR SO KIND OF HELD HER UP. SHE'S A, A YOUNG, UH, UH, SCHOOL LADY THAT WANTS TO, MCKENNA WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS FOR, CAN I GIVE HER THREE MINUTES? IS THAT PROPER? SO THE, THE WRITTEN POLICY IS THAT ANY PUBLIC COMMENT HAS TO SIGN UP IN ADVANCE, BUT YOU HAVE DISCRETION AS THE CHAIR OF THE MEETING TO GIVE ANYONE THE FLOOR. UH, BARRING ANY OBJECTIONS WITHOUT ANY OPPOSITION FROM THE COUNCIL. I THINK THIS IS WORTH LISTENING TO. MS. MCKENNA, WOULD YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? IS A BRIGHT YOUNG LADY, UH, GOES TO FULCHER LEHMAN, OR IS IT LEHMAN? LEHMAN JUNIOR HIGH. HOW ARE [00:25:01] YOU THIS EVENING? OKAY, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. THIS LADY HERE IS GONNA TIME YOU, BUT I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO EXPRESS YOUR WISHES, UH, AS YOU EXPRESS THEM TO ME AND IT'S SOMETHING I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING. YES, SIR. UM, SO I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE FULL JUNIOR CITY COUNCIL. IT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A A, A CITY COUNCIL, LIKE A GROUP OF KIDS WHO HAS TOTAL POWER AND CONTROL OVER FULL, BUT LIKE A WAY TO, A WAY FOR CHILDREN TO LEARN ABOUT HOW THE GOVERNMENT WORKS AND LIKE MAKE HAVING THEIR INPUT IN THE, IN THE CITY GOVERNMENT. SO WAY THIS COULD WORK IS, UM, SHADOWING MEMBERS OF THE JUNIOR CITY COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO SHADOW THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND LIKE, AND LEARN HOW, HOW THEY WORK AND HOW DECISIONS AND HOW DECISIONS ARE MADE WHEN SHADOWING MEMBERS THEY ARE SHADOWING. AND IT'S, AND IT'S OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE FINE WITH, WITH THE STUDENTS WATCHING THEM DO THEIR JOB, THEIR EVERYDAY JOBS. UM, B ALSO FOR STUDENT COUNCIL, JUNIOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE THEIR OPINION TO THE FUNCTIONS OF FULL. SO HOW WOULD THIS WORK? JUST LISTENING TO THE MEETING AND THEN ADDING THEIR INPUT AT THE END. SINCE I DON'T WANNA, I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THE NORMAL PROCESSES OF THE MEETING LIKE NOW. UM, RIGHT NOW THAT'S OKAY. YOU'RE DOING FINE. UM, JUNIOR CITY COUNCIL HAVING THEIR OWN MEETING PRESIDED BY ONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, OR, UM, SOMEONE APPOINTED BY A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. THIS COULD HELP STUDENTS LEARN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS, HOW THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS WORKS, RUN THEIR OWN MEETINGS AND HAVE MORE OF A SENSE OF OWNERSHIP OVER THE COUNCIL. UM, FOR THE TIME. WILL THE MEETINGS BE LIKE THE SAME AS THE CITY COUNCIL OR AT SEPARATE TIMES? BECAUSE THEN WHO WOULD BE PRESIDING OVER THE MEETINGS AND B AT THE END OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THE JUNIOR CITY COUNCIL CAN DEBRIEF WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ON WHAT, LIKE WHAT THEY DISCUSSED OVER THE MEETING AND SEE WHO WOULD BE PRESIDING OVER THE JUNIOR CITY COUNCIL. AND, AND THERE'S MANY OTHER WAYS THIS COULD WORK. 'CAUSE IT WOULD BE, IT'S LIKE, IT STILL HAS TO BE DEVELOPED AND LIKE, PLANNED OUT MORE THOROUGHLY. BUT THEN THERE'S THE SELECTION PROCESS OVER LIKE THE AGE GROUP, UM, AND HOW THEY WOULD BE SELECTED. SO LIKE AN ELECTORAL PROCESS WHERE STUDENTS VOTE FOR THE STUDENTS AS LIKE Y'ALL WERE VOTED FOR BY THE, THE ADULTS OF FULL SURE. AND THEN THE AGE GROUP, I WAS THINKING THEM BEING HIGH SCHOOLERS AND LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT AGE GROUP AND REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE LIKE FAIRLY THE SAME AS NGHS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, A TOP LEVEL OF STUDENTS AND NOT JUST PEOPLE WHO WANNA JOIN AND START SPOTTING RANDOM NONSENSE. AND MY LAST POINT IS HOSTING A LEADERSHIP CAMP TO PREPARE STUDENTS FOR THE JUNIOR CITY COUNCIL. SO THEN THEY HAVE SOME IDEA OF HOW IT WOULD WORK AND THE PROCESSES THAT OF HOW, LIKE HOW TO LIKE ELECT VOTE, LIKE SHARE YOUR IDEAS, SPEAK FAIRLY AND THAT KIND OF THING. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. VERY NICE. SORRY IT WAS LATE. THANK YOU. VERY IMPRESSIVE. I JUST WANTED COUNSEL TO HEAR THAT. I WILL, I'LL SEND OUT A DEBRIEF OF WHAT MC MCKENNA SENT TO ME AND, UH, LET US CONSIDER THIS AND JUST WANTED Y OUT HERE AT THIS POINT. SO WE'LL MOVE ON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, UH, BYRON, FOR ALLOWING ME THAT, THAT LATITUDE. AND YOU AS WELL COUNSEL. APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHT, WE'RE [PUBLIC HEARING - A] GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. UH, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. THE CITY OF SRE WILL HOLD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS REGARDING PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE FULCHER CODE FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISSOLVING THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND MUSEUM COMMISSION AND MAKING CONFORMING CHANGES INCLUDING VARIOUS AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 28 OF THE SRE CODE. THE COORDINATED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE OR THE CDO SECTIONS OF THE CDO AFFECTED BY THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO. SECTION 28 DASH SIX DASH 5 28 DASH SEVEN DASH 3 28 DASH SEVEN DASH 10 28 DASH SEVEN DASH 22, AND 28 DASH SEVEN DASH 23. THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON OCTOBER THE FOURTH, 2024 AT 8:30 AM THE SECOND PUBLIC PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE HELD BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 15TH, 2024 AT 5:30 PM EACH HEARING WILL BE HELD AT THE CITY FRE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, LOCATED AT 66 11 WEST CROSS CREEK, BEND LANE SHORE, TEXAS 7 7 4 4 1. INTERESTED PARTIES MAY APPEAR AT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND BE HEARD WITH RESPECT TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. A COPY, A COPY OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE, IS ON FILE AT THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE LOCATED IN THE CITY OF SRE MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, AND MAY [00:30:01] BE INSPECTED ON MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAYS FROM 8:00 AM TO 5:00 PM FRIDAYS FROM 8:00 AM TO 3:00 PM FOR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, PLEASE CALL JOSHUA BROTHERS CITY OF SRE 2 8 1 3 4 6 17 96. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL OPEN THE HEARING STRAIGHT UP. SIX O'CLOCK ON OCTOBER THE 15TH, 2024. DOES ANYONE HAD LIKE TO STEP UP AND MAKE A COMMENT ON THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT? WE'LL HANG OUT FOR JUST A SECOND AND SEE IF ANYBODY COMES FORWARD. WHAT DO YOU THINK, CHRISTINA? NO, NO. ALL RIGHT. I GOTTA WAIT A MINUTE 'CAUSE I GOTTA, YEAH, WELL NOW IT'S 6 0 1. WELL, IT DOES SAY 6 0 1. OKAY, WELL, IF THERE'S NONE COMING FORWARD, THEREFORE WE'LL CLOSE THIS HEARING AT 6 0 1 ON OCTOBER THE 15TH, UH, 2024. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THEN WE'LL [CONSENT ITEMS] MOVE ON TO ITEM NINE. CONSENT ITEMS. ITEMS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE AND GENERALLY ENACTED IN ONE MOTION. THE EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE IS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY REQUEST ONE OR MORE OF THESE ITEMS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR A SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND ACTION. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO REMOVE ANY OF THE ITEMS AT THIS TIME? MAYOR, I I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER C FOR MORE CLARIFICATION. LETTER C. ANYBODY ELSE? MAY I MOVE? COUNSEL, APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS A THROUGH B AND D THROUGH P. SECOND MOTIONS BEEN MADE BY MR. KNAPE AND SECONDED BY MR. POOLE. AND, UH, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. MOTION CARRIES. WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, [CONSENT ITEMS - C] DISCUSSING ITEM C, MR. KAR. RIGHT, UH, I JUST WANTED TO GET THE IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT DOES IT MEAN BY, UH, PURCHASE OF CUSTODIAL SUPPLIES AND WHAT IS THE APPROXIMATE ESTIMATE FOR THIS PURCHASE? UH, SO THE CUSTODIAL SUPPLIES THAT WE WOULD BE PURCHASING WOULD BE TO, UM, WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE GENERAL ITEMS, TOILET PAPER, PAPER TOWELS, CLEANING SUPPLIES, AS WELL AS EQUIPMENT. OKAY. FOR THIS BUILDING IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IRON, STERN, THINGS LIKE THAT? YES. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW. OKAY. MAY I MOVE? UH, COUNCIL APPROVE. UH, CONSENT ITEM C. SECOND MOTION BEEN MADE BY MR. ARD. SECOND. AND MR. OPPI, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AND ANY OPPOSED? ITEM CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH TIFFANY. MOVING [BUSINESS - A] ON TO ITEM 10, BUSINESS LETTER, A CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH SIX 40 A RESOLUTION APPOINTING A CITY REPRESENTATIVE AND AN ALTERNATE TO THE HGAC 2025 GENERAL ASSEMBLY AS THE HOUSTON GALVESTON AREA COUNCIL, UH, SOMETIMES ACRONYMS FOR THE, THOSE OF YOU AT HOME DON'T KNOW. ALRIGHT, I'LL ENTERTAIN ANY DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME. I BELIEVE, UH, MAYOR PROIN PATTERSON IS CURRENTLY REPRESENTING, IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. UM, UNLESS ANYONE ELSE HAS, UH, INTEREST IN SUPPORTING HIM, I WOULD RECOMMEND CONTINUING WITH, UH, MAYPORT IN PATTERSON WITH IT. IF HE'S AGREEABLE TO IT. I PROPOSE WE, UH, HANG ON. OH, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE AND THEN AN ALTERNATE. I BELIEVE MR. UH, PATTERSON IS CURRENTLY THE ALTERNATE. ALTERNATE. SO WHO WAS THE REPRESENTATIVE? MAYOR GR. MAYOR GR. MAYOR GRUFF. OKAY. THEN CAN WE KEEP WITH THE SAME ARRANGEMENT IN THAT CASE WHERE WE IT'S UP TO YOUR DISCRETION OR WOULD YOU RATHER BE THE REPRESENTATIVE? MAYOR PAT FOR MAYOR BROAD PATTERSON? I, I'LL DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO. OKAY. I, I, I CURRENTLY SIT ON, UM, A COMMITTEE. UH, I ACTUALLY CHAIR, UH, A SUBCOMMITTEE FOR HGAC. UH, SO THERE'S REALLY, I THINK THERE'S ONLY THE ONE ANNUAL MEETING, UH, WHERE THERE'S VOTES AND, UH, SO I'M FINE TO DO THAT. IT'S GREAT. UH, I, I CONCUR. I THINK MR. PATTERSON WOULD BE A GREAT, BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO, YOU'LL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE IN MAY. WELL, WE, WE STILL HAVE WHAT, UH, SEVEN MONTHS, SO WE YEAH, WE, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF YOUR EXPERIENCE AT THE GAC. WITH THAT. THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SUGGESTIONS ON THE ALTERNATE. MAY I SUGGEST, UH, UH, COUNCILMAN PATTERS, UH, POWERS TO BE THE EDITOR NAME? YOU GOT ANY TIME ON YOUR HANDS, SIR? I, I, WELL, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT, UH, I BE COUNCIL MEMBER KAR, HE GOES TO ALL THE HGAC EVENTS. I'VE SEEN HIM THERE AND, UH, HE'S AN [00:35:01] ENGINEER, SO HE SPEAKS THE SAME LANGUAGE. SO, UH, I, I WOULD, I WOULD, I, I'M GONNA RESPECTFULLY DECLINE. I THINK THAT WE'VE GOT MORE, MORE QUALIFIED, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT CAN SERVE OUR CITY ON, ON HGAC. UH, LOVE 40. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. WELL, I THINK THAT IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO MAKE THAT DECISION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TECHNICALLY THERE REALLY IS ONLY ONE ANNUAL MEETING THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE DOES, UH, GET, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS AND ACTUALLY ATTEND THE MEETING. MM-HMM, . UM, SO OUTSIDE OF THAT MEETING, UM, IF, YOU KNOW, AFTER MAY WHEN I'M NO LONGER ON COUNCIL, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO BE ON COUNCIL TO BE THE REPRESENTATIVE, BUT IF THAT'S SO THEN, YOU KNOW, THE ALTERNATE, THE ALTERNATE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE LIKE YOURSELF. UH, ABBY WOULD BE A GOOD CHOICE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. I WAS JUST HOPING SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD RAISE THEIR HAND, BUT IF NOT, I'M WILLING TO TAKE THAT. WELL, IT'D BE, IT'D BE AWESOME IN, IN MAY IF THEN YOU COULD, UH, BE THE SUCCESSION AND AT THAT TIME WE COULD CHOOSE ANOTHER ALTERNATE. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. ME TOO. SO, MR. BYRON, BYRON, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, DOES IT HAVE TO BE SOMEBODY ACTIVELY ON COUNCIL? YES. SO THE BYLAWS FOR HGAC DO SAY THAT THE, UH, MEMBER AND ALTERNATE OR REPRESENTATIVE AND ALTERNATE DO HAVE TO BE A MEMBER OF THE GOVERNING BODY. SO IT WOULD'VE TO BE SOME AMONG YOU. UM, AS FAR AS IN MAY, UH, BELIEVE IT WOULD, WITHOUT AMENDING THE RESOLUTION IN ANY WAY, I THINK, UH, THE ALTERNATE WOULD SIMPLY JUST BE KIND OF DEFACTO THE PRIMARY ONCE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER POOLE IS NO LONGER ABLE TO SERVE PATTERSON. PAT. OKAY. UH, PATTERSON. I'M SORRY. . ALRIGHT, MAYOR, I MOVE, UH, WE DESIGNATE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PATTERSON AS THE REPRESENTATIVE AND COUNCIL MEMBER KAR AS THE ALTERNATE TO THE HGAC GENERAL ASSEMBLY. SECOND, FANTASTIC MOTION BEEN MADE BY MR. KNAPE, SECONDED BY MR. POWERS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? VERY GOOD. WE HAVE OUR REPRESENTATIVES MARIELA. ALRIGHT, ITEM [BUSINESS - B] B, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE OF AN ORDINANCE OF ORDINANCE 2024 DASH 1469 AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE, SALE AND DELIVERY OF, I HAVE BLANK DOLLARS HERE, . YES, WE HAD OUR SALES TODAY BECAUSE I APPROVED BLANK DOLLARS. WELL, YOU RECEIVED AN UPDATED ORDINANCE VIA EMAIL. I YOU'RE RIGHT. I DIDN'T SEE THAT. MM-HMM, . SO IF YOU DON'T MIND, COULD YOU FILL IN THE BLANK FOR ME? YES. FORTY THREE MILLION TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND FORTY THREE MILLION TWO HUNDRED AND TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND IN AGGREGATE PRINCIPLE AMOUNT OF CITY OF SHORE, TEXAS COMBINATION TAX AND REVENUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION SERIES 2024, SECURING THE PAYMENT THEREOF BY AUTHORIZING THE LEVY OF AN ANNUAL AVALOR TAX AND A PLEDGE OF CERTAIN SURPLUS REVENUES OF THE CITY'S WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM, AND APPROVING AND AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF A PAYING AGENT SLASH REGISTRAR AGREEMENT, APPROVING AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT AND ALL OTHER INSTRUMENTS AND PROCEDURES RELATED THERE TOO. OKAY. UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAD OUR BOND SALE TODAY. UM, I WORKED WITH MASTER TENANT ADVISORS, THEY DID THE WHOLE THING. UM, THAT'S WHEN WE GOT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE SENT OUT VIA EMAIL, THE UPDATED ORDINANCE. AND THEN YOU ALSO RECEIVED A HANDOUT PRIOR TO THE MEETING OF THE COMBINATION TAX AND REVENUE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATIONS, SALES RESULTS. AND SO NOW I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO KRISTEN BLOMQUIST WITH MASTERS AND ADVISORS TO GO THROUGH THAT WITH Y'ALL. THANKS. HERE IT IS. RIGHT THERE. I I HAD THE HANDOUT RIGHT HERE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. IT'S OKAY. YOUR NAME AGAIN? KRISTEN BLOMQUIST. NICE. WITH MASTERSON ADVISORS. HI, NICE TO MEET YOU. IT'S GREAT TO SEE ALL OF YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. WELL, TODAY WAS A VERY EXCITING DAY FOR ALL OF US. WE GOT TO SELL THE CERTIFICATES OF OBLIGATION. AND SO TODAY WE'RE HERE TO ACCEPT THE AWARD OF THE SALE OF THE COS. UM, AT THE PRIOR MEETING, UH, COUNCIL APPROVED PARAMETERS THAT WE HAD TO, UM, STAY WITHIN FOR THE SALE OF A, NOT TO EXCEED A 45 MILLION AND NOT TO EXCEED, UM, RATE MAX RATE PERMITTED, PERMITTED BY LAW. UM, AND SO OF COURSE THIS SALE COMPLIES WITH BOTH OF THOSE PARAMETERS. WE ARE UNDERNEATH THAT 45 MILLION LIMIT. AND ON YOUR FIRST PAGE, THE SUMMARY OF THE SALE, YOU WILL SEE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT BIDDERS THAT PARTICIPATED IN YOUR SALE. AND WE HAD 10 PARTICIPANTS, WHICH IS PRETTY REMARKABLE. UM, SO I'M VERY EXCITED YOU ALL, UM, AGREED TO GO THE COMPETITIVE ROUTE BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TOP TWO BIDDERS CAME WITHIN TWO, ONE THOUSANDTHS OF A [00:40:01] PERCENT BETWEEN THE TWO. AND SO WE'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THE, UM, THE AWARD OF THE SALE TO JANNIE MONTGOMERY SCOTT AT A RATE OF 3.9721859999999998% TIC TRUE INTEREST COST, WHICH IS A FANTASTIC RATE. SO CONGRATULATIONS, UM, ON YOUR SALE TODAY. SO THAT IS, UM, THE, THE TIC FOR THE BONDS. THE FOLLOWING PAGE IS JUST A QUICK SUMMARY COMPARING WHEN WE CAME TO YOU IN JULY WHERE WE HAD, YOU KNOW, WE WERE STILL IRONING, IRONING OUT THE SIZE OF THE FINANCING. SO AT THAT TIME, THE SIZE WAS 40 MILLION, UM, THAT WE HAD A TOTAL DEBT SERVICE, UM, ESTIMATE OF 47, I'M SORRY, 74.8 MILLION WITH AN ALL IN COST OF 4.7. AND TODAY WHEN WE WENT TO FINALIZE THE BONDS, AND I'M SORRY, SELL THE BONDS, THE FINAL AMOUNT CAME TO 43,225,000, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE APPROVING TODAY WITH AN ALL IN COST OF JUST OVER 4% AT 4.01. AND SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS PERCENTAGE AND THEN WHAT YOU SAW ON THE PRIOR PAGE IS THIS INCLUDES COSTS FOR YOUR BOND COUNCIL, FOR RATINGS FOR FINANCIAL ADVISORS. SO THAT WILL INCREASE YOUR, YOUR RATE JUST A LITTLE BIT. UM, THIS IS A LIST OF ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WE WILL BE INCLUDING IN THIS BOND FINANCING. AND, UM, I WILL STOP TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. UH, WHAT IS THE, UH, DIFFERENCE ON PAGE TWO? IT SHOWS THE 43,000,900, 25,000, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE SHOWS 43,225,000. YES. WHAT'S THAT? 700,000? YES. SO WHEN WE WENT TO, UM, TO DISTRIBUTE THE PRELIMINARY OFFICIAL STATEMENT, THAT WAS THE INITIAL SIZE. OKAY. AND THEN ONCE WE SOLD THE BONDS, EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT, UM, THESE DIFFERENT BIDDERS HAD DIFFERENT STRUCTURES WITH THEIR, UM, WITH THEIR BID. AND SO WE HAD TO RESIZE A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COMPLIED WITH THE STRUCTURE THAT YOU ALL WERE LOOKING FOR, UM, IN YOUR, UH, SALE PARAMETERS. MM-HMM. . SO IT JUST, IT CHANGED JUST SLIGHTLY. YEAH. YOU, YOU'LL HAVE TO FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE, I'M STILL RELATIVELY NEW AROUND HERE. I JUST HAVE A, A QUESTION REGARDING THE, UH, ORIGINALLY I UNDERSTOOD THIS TO BE, THE REASON THAT WE COULD RAISE THIS BOND WITHOUT HAVING TO GET VOTER APPROVAL IS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE PAID BACK ON THE UTILITY BILLS. UM, BUT THE WAY I'M READING THIS HERE IS THAT IT'S A SPLIT BETWEEN THE AVALOR AND WHAT'S ON THE UTILITY BILL. SO WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT SPLIT LOOK LIKE? AND, AND YEAH, YOU WANNA YES. ADDRESS THAT? ABSOLUTELY. SO THESE CERTIFICATES WILL BE FULLY SUPPORTED BY THE UTILITY FUND. SO WHAT'S WHAT'S NEAT ABOUT THESE IS THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO USE THE AA PLUS RATING OF THE CITY OF SHORE TO ENHANCE YOUR, UM, YOUR RATING ON YOUR BONDS. AND, BUT IT IS SELF-SUPPORTING BY THE UTILITY FUND. THERE'S NO EXPECTATION THAT THIS WILL BE PAID FOR BY, UM, BY TAXES. SO, SO THE AVALOR GUARANTEES IT, IS THAT HOW THAT WORKS? IT'S A BACKING. IT'S OKAY. IT'S A BACKING. IT'S A BACKING. IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, LIKE WE DECIDED TO DROP LIKE THE WATER RATES TO ZERO AND NOT CHARGE ANYTHING AND NOT HAVE ANY REVENUE, WE'D STILL HAVE TO COME UP AND PAY FOR IT. AND WE'D HAVE TO DO THAT OUT OF OUR AVALOR. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT. PLEASE DON'T DO THAT. CITIZENS WOULD STILL PAY FOR THAT ANYWAYS. BUT , DID YOU HAVE, SO THE LADY BEHIND YOU? WELL, I, I'M THE BOND COUNCIL, BUT KRISTEN ANSWERED. SHE DID IT. GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SHE WAS, THANK YOU. SHE HAD YOUR BACK . SHE ALWAYS DID. THAT'S YOUR VALOR . SO THE DEBT SERVICE TIME PERIOD IS 30 YEARS. IT'S 25. 25 YEARS. YES. AND WHAT IS THE ACRONYM? TIC UH, TRUE INTEREST COST. SO THAT'S THE INTEREST RATE THAT YOU'LL BE PAYING BEFORE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COST OF ISSUANCE THAT I HAD, UH, DESCRIBED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, WHICH BUMPS IT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOVE THAT, 4% TO 4.01. AND SO HOW GOOD IS THAT? TIC? UH, IT'S FANTASTIC. IT'S, IT'S A REALLY LIKE FIVE STAR, FOUR STAR. OUR LAST, OUR LAST BOND, OUR LAST BOND, TIC WAS CLOSER TO 4.5. IS THAT CORRECT? UM, YOU KNOW, I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THAT BEFORE COMING HERE, SO I APOLOGIZE. I DO NOT KNOW THAT, THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY, I'M GETTING SOME SHAKES IN THE AUDIENCE. SO I THINK THAT WAS PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT. . WELL DONE. OKAY, MAYOR, I MOVE COUNSEL, APPROVE ORDINANCE 2024 DASH 1469. SECOND, A MOTION BEEN MADE BY MR. KOPPI. UH, SECOND WAS BY ABBY. MR. KAR, UH, ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? JUST, JUST ONE QUESTION OUTTA MY CURIOSITY. YOU, YOU CAN GIVE BETTER RETURNS WITH A TBI. WHY WOULD PEOPLE [00:45:01] WANT TO WANT TO BUY THIS? UH, WELL, T-BILLS ARE TAXABLE, BUT, UM, BUT THEY WOULD WANT THESE BECAUSE THEY GO OUT A LOT LONGER. SO THIS, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO BUY, YOU KNOW, A BOND FOR THEIR KIDS' COLLEGE FUND, THEY CAN BUY A 20 YEAR BOND AND IT CAN JUST SIT THERE. OR, YOU KNOW, FOR INSURANCE COMPANIES THAT HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THEIR PORTFOLIO, THEY CAN BUY KIND OF LONGER MATURITIES. SO, SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU. MM-HMM. NO, THAT'S, AND THAT'S JUST ONE REASON IT'S NOT. DISCUSS DIVERSITY. YEAH. THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT REASONS. DIVERSIFICATION. YES, EXACTLY. THANK YOU. YOU GET THAT ONE LAST OPPORTUNITY TO GET A QUESTION IN . THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. NOT A PROBLEM. FANTASTIC. IF THERE'S NO OTHER FEATHER, DO WE NEED TO STATE THE AMOUNT? NO, UH, IT'S NOT NECESSARY BECAUSE THE, UH, THE AMOUNT HAD BEEN SU UM, SENT OUT. SO THE ORDINANCE UNDER CONSIDERATION IS THAT THAT UPDATED VERSION. VERY GOOD. AND THIS IS AN INDIVIDUAL, UH, ROLL CALL ON THE VOTE, I BELIEVE, IS THAT IT, UH, IS, IT HAS LISTED I NAYS AND ABSO JUST CHECKING. YEAH, THAT DOES HELP. YEAH. SO WE DO GO INDIVIDUAL. THEREFORE, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU JASON. APPRECIATE IT. UH, LET'S GO WITH, UH, ROLL CALL VOTE. MR. POOLE. AYE. MR. POWERS? AYE. MR. BARON? AYE. MR. PATTERSON? AYE. MR. KAR? AYE. MR. KANA? AYE. THE AYES HAVE IT. MOTION PASSES. PASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CONGRATULATIONS EVERYONE. THANK YOU. I'M EXCITED. ALRIGHT, GOING [BUSINESS - C] ON TO ITEM C. UH, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE A BLANKET EASEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF RE AND CENTER POINT ENERGY, HOUSTON ELECTRIC, LLC, CLIFF EVENING MAYOR AND COUNSEL. UH, THIS, THIS ITEM IS UM, MOSTLY A FORMALITY, UH, AS PART OF THE WATER PLANT TWO CONSTRUCTION PROJECT CENTER POINT HAS TO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT AN OVERHEAD SERVICE TO OUR, TO OUR WATER PLANT, TO OUR TRANSFORMER. AND SO, AND TO EXPEDITE THAT AND TO GET THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE GROUND SOONER, THEY ASK FOR A BLANKET EASEMENT. AND THEN ONCE IT IS DESIGNED AND INSTALLED, THEY DEFINE WHAT EASEMENT THEY ACTUALLY NEED AND THEN WE WILL BRING IT BACK AT A LATER DATE. SO THIS IS JUST ASKING FOR Y'ALL'S APPROVAL FOR ZACH TO APPROVE THE BLANKET EASEMENT SO THAT CENTER POINT CAN BEGIN THEIR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. AND THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD YOU SAID, AND ONCE THEY HAVE THEIR DESIGN IN PLACE, THEN WE GET THAT LAND OR GIVES, COMES BACK TO US. CORRECT. THEY'LL DEFINE THAT EASEMENT. THIS IS A BLANKET EASEMENT. WE'LL BRING BACK A DEFINED EASEMENT AT A LATER DATE. OKAY. JUST TRYING TO BE CLEAR. SO YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CONCERNS THAT WHERE THEY CHOOSE TO DO THEIR CONSTRUCTION OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANY PROBLEMS OR ADDITIONAL COSTS FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE? I HAVE NO CONCERNS. . THEY ARE, THEY ARE BUILDING IT. WE, WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHERE IT'S GOING. WE KNOW WHERE OUR TRANSFORMER PAD IS. AND SO, UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE FREEZE NICHOLS HERE WHO IS THE CONSULTANT ENGINEER ON THAT PROJECT, BUT THEY'RE HERE FOR A DIFFERENT ITEM. BUT I'M SURE THEY CAN SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL IF YOU, OKAY. AND ADDITIONALLY, HOW MANY OTHER TIMES IN THE PAST HAVE WE DONE A BLANKET EASEMENT LIKE THIS? 'CAUSE I HAVEN'T RECALLED ONE ON COUNCIL SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE THAT I, I'M FAMILIAR WITH. SHARON MAY HAVE. THAT'S IT. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE. BUT WE WILL ALSO BE BRINGING YOU ONE FOR PRIMROSE AS WELL AT A LATER DATE BECAUSE THE SAME, SAME SITUATION'S GONNA HAPPEN. AND DO WE HAVE A TIMEFRAME FOR HOW LONG THIS WILL BE IN PLACE? UH, THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR SERVICE. UH, ERIC, DO YOU RECALL HOW LONG THEY MARCH? MARCH, SORRY, MARCH, MARCH, MARCH. SO WHAT, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. I, I MAY, MAY, MAY NOT UNDERSTAND THIS THE WAY, UH, THIS IS PRESENTED. SO WHY BLANKET FOR THEM TO DO THE DESIGN? SO THEY JUST GOTTA HAVE A, THEY KNOW, NEED TO KNOW APPROXIMATELY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT THIS. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME FIELD STUDIES THEY'RE GOING TO, THERE COULD BE SOME CHANGES IN THE FIELD AS THEY BUILD IT. AND SO THEY WANT A BLANKET EASEMENT SO THAT THEY CAN DESIGN IT IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA, BUT HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO, TO MOVE IT AND SHIFT IT IN THAT AREA AS NEEDED DURING CONSTRUCTION. AND SO THEY'LL DESIGN IT, THEY'LL CONSTRUCT IT, AND THEN ONCE IT'S DONE, IT'S KINDA LIKE AN AS-BUILT CONSTRUCTION PLAN. THEY'LL COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE IT ACTUALLY LANDED. THIS IS THE, THIS IS THE DEFINED, THE, THE DEFINED EASEMENT THAT WE NEED. IT JUST, IT JUST HELPS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T, THEY CAN DESIGN IT AND THEN GO OUT THERE AND WE COULD GIVE THEM A, A, A DEFINED EASEMENT FOR THEIR DESIGN. BUT IF THEY HAVE TO SHIFT, THEN IT DELAYS THE CONSTRUCTION ONE BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO, THEY'VE GOT TO DEFINE THAT EASEMENT, BUT THEN IF THEY HAVE TO SHIFT, THEY'VE GOTTA BRING IT BACK AND REDEFINE IT. SO THIS KIND OF GIVES THEM A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THAT ZONE TO BUILD THEIR FACILITIES. AND THEN ONCE IT'S DONE, DEVELOP THE, THE ACTUAL [00:50:01] EASEMENT THAT THEY NEED. I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO, BUT YOU SAID YOU'LL HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO US ANYWAYS, RIGHT? ONCE THEY FINALIZE IT, ONCE THEY BUILD IT, YES, THEY'LL BUILD IT AND THEN DEFINE THE EASEMENT WHERE THE, THE SYSTEM. SO THAT'D BE LIKE AN APPRO A KIND OF A VARIANCE IF I CAN, UH, EXPLAIN. SO THE, UM, THE EASEMENT IS WRITTEN AS A BLANKET EASEMENT, UH, HAS WITHIN IT THE CITY'S UNILATERAL RIGHT. IS THE GRANTOR TO MAKE IT A DEFINED EASEMENT. UH, SO WE, WE HAVE THAT RIGHT. AND UM, THERE'S A, A LIST OF UH, KIND OF THE, UM, LIMITATIONS OF WHAT THAT DEFINED EASEMENT WOULD BE. SO WE, UH, WE KNOW MORE SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE EASEMENT WILL ULTIMATELY BE, JUST NOT, ITS ITS FINAL LOCATION. AND THEN IF WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT, UH, SATISFIED WITH THAT FINAL LOCATION, WE DO HAVE A SORT OF SELF-HELP PROVISION IN THE EASEMENT WHERE WE CAN PAY TO RELOCATE IT SOMEWHERE WE WOULD PREFER. UM, SO YOU DO HAVE SOME UM, OPTIONS THAT MAKE I THINK THE BLANKET EASEMENT CONCEPT A LITTLE BIT MORE PALATABLE. BUT IT ALL REALLY PUTS THE GRANT OF THE EASEMENT BEFORE THE DESIGN, WHICH IS WHY IT KIND OF GETS, UH, NARROWED UH, IN THE FUTURE, WHICH WILL BE ANOTHER EASEMENT. WHAT BOTHERS ME IS I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY NEED TO PUT PEN ON THE PAPER BEFORE WE GIVE THEM THE EASEMENT. UH, I THINK IT'S MOSTLY JUST THE, UH, CUSTOMARY OPERATIONS OF CENTER POINT. UM, WE AND AND A TIMING, I MEAN I THINK THEY DON'T WANNA STOP IF THEY DON'T HAVE AN, IF THEY DON'T HAVE AN EASEMENT AT ALL, THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON THAT PROPERTY. THEY HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO GO OUT AND DO ANYTHING. SO THEY NEED SOME SORT OF RELEASE AND THEREFORE THAT'S WHY THE EASEMENT'S THERE IN THE FIRST, WHEN YOU SAY THEY CANNOT DO ANYTHING, THEY CANNOT BUILD ANYTHING. CORRECT. BUT THEY'RE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING IN THE DESIGN PROCESS ANYWAYS. WILL THAT BE THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS? THEY WILL START CONSTRUCTION AND THEN THIS BLANKET EASEMENT COVERS THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE. IT ALLOWS 'EM TO START CONSTRUCTION AHEAD OF GETTING THE DEFINED EASEMENT SO IT EXPEDITES THEIR CONSTRUCTION AND HELPS ONCE THEY GET INTO THE SITE IF THEY DO HAVE TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. SO THEY'RE GONNA BUILD IT BEFORE THEY FINISH THE DESIGN IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? NO, THEY'RE GONNA DESIGN IT. OKAY THEN IF THEY DESIGN IT, THEY WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHERE AND WHAT IS GOING WELL, I MEAN FOR THE MOST PART, BUT I MEAN FIELD CONDITIONS MAY, MAY CAUSE SLIGHT SHIFTS. SO MAYBE A LET DO A CERTAIN COMMON SENSE THING IF I COULD. IT IS BASICALLY WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS OBVIOUS IS THAT WE GO, YOU GO DESIGN IT, YOU HAVE THIS EASEMENT SO THEY THINK, OKAY, THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST PLACE TO GO. NOW WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND WE START BUILDING AND WE HIT SOMETHING THAT JUST IMPEDES THAT. SO WE GOTTA GO AROUND IT. THANK, THANKFULLY WE HAVE AN EASEMENT TO GO AROUND WHATEVER IT IS AND THEN CONTINUE ON. AND ONCE IT'S DONE, THEN THEY COME BACK AND THAT'S THE TRUE EASEMENT. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEY ENDED UP BUILDING IT AND THEY GIVE IT BACK. I UNDERSTAND. WHY CAN'T WE GET THIS WHEN THEY'RE DONE WITH THEIR DESIGN IS MY QUESTION. SO WE CAN STILL GIVE THAT, BUT IT WON'T BE A BLANK. IT WOULD BE A DEFINED, I THINK THE BLANKET IS WHAT'S CAUSING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE. IT'S A BLANKET BUT IT'S WITHIN CERTAIN PARAMETERS. IT'S NOT JUST A BLANKET THAT COULD GO. RIGHT. BUT BASED ON WHAT BYRON SAID, WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT IS YOUR CONCERN? MY CONCERN IS BASED ON WHAT BYRON SAID, IF WE WANT TO HAVE IT MOVED SOMEWHERE, THEN WE'LL END UP HAVING TO PAY FOR IT. SO IS THERE A SITUATION WHERE WE DO NOT LIKE THEIR FINAL DEFINED EASEMENT WITHIN THE BLANKET THAT WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEM? THEY'RE GONNA DESIGN IT, SUBMIT IT TO THE ENGINEERS, FREEZING NICHOLS, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT. WE'LL SAY, YES, THIS LOOKS GOOD. BUT AGAIN, IF THEY GO OUT THERE AND THEY HAVE TO DEVIATE IF, IF WE GET A DEFINED EASEMENT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A 10 FOOT, 10 FOOT GROUND EASEMENT AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A LARGER AERIAL EASEMENT. IF YOU, IF YOU HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE THAT 10 FOOT, THEN WE'VE GOT TO COME BACK AND GET AN ADDITIONAL APPROVAL FROM COUNSEL FOR A REDEFINED DEFINED EASEMENT WHEREAND THAT WHERE GIVES YOU IN A MUCH LARGER AREA. I'M JUST SAYING IF WE APPROVE THE BLANKET EASEMENT AND THEY GO OFF AND DO CONSTRUCTION, COME BACK TO US WITH A DEFINED EASEMENT, WHAT'S THE CHANCES THAT WE DO NOT LIKE THAT DEFINED EASEMENT AND WANT TO LIKE, HAVE TO PAY OURSELVES TO MOVE IT? NOT VERY HIGH. NOT VERY HIGH. I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD TELL THEM TO MOVE IT BEFORE THE, THE BLANKET EASEMENT IS, I I WOULD SAY ALSO ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING WHEN TIME IS A FACTOR AND WE WANT CENTER POINT TO MOVE QUICKLY IN DETERMINING WHAT THE BEST PATH OF LEAST, LEAST RESISTANCE IS RIGHT THEN, UH, A BLANKET EASEMENT IS PROBABLY WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE. JUST GET OUT THERE, THERE I'M SAYING GOING I'M THE RISK OF DOING THIS IS NOT VERY HIGH IT SEEMS LIKE. RIGHT. WHAT'S WHAT'S THE TIMING? IS THIS SOMETHING LIKE THAT? ONCE WE GET THIS DONE, IT'S GONNA BE DONE IN LIKE THE NEXT 30 DAYS. AND THAT WOULD BE OUTTA SI TIME WHEN MAYBE COUNSEL COULD EVEN GO BACK AND APPROVE IT? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S LIKE THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AND THEY WOULD HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ACTUALLY DESIGN IT AND COME BACK TO US WITH A DEFINED EASEMENT? WELL THEY WOULD, THEY'RE GONNA DESIGN IT MOSTLY BY MARCH. YOU'RE SAYING? DID YOU SAY MARCH? IT'S GONNA BE CONSTRUCTED BY, CONSTRUCTED BY MARCH. OKAY. SO WE'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL ORDER PARTS, THEY'LL DESIGN IT, THEY'LL ORDER PARTS, THEY'LL GET OUT THERE, THEY'LL CONSTRUCT IT. [00:55:01] MARCH TIMEFRAME, THEY'LL COME BACK. THIS IS OUR DEFINED EASEMENT 'CAUSE THIS IS WHERE THE SERVICE ACTUALLY LANDED. WE NEED THIS 10 FOOT SWATH VERSUS THIS 10 FOOT SWATH OF, OF PROPERTY AND WE'LL GET A DEFINED EASEMENT. WE'LL ALL AGREE TO THAT. THIS IS WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO IN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. BUT YOU, WHAT IS THE PART WHERE WE HAVE THE CONTROL OF WHETHER WE APPROVE THE DESIGN? WHAT IS THE PART THAT CONTROLS THAT BY GIVING THEM A BLANKET EASEMENT. DO WE GIVE UP ALL CONTROL THERE WHERE THEY COULD TECHNICALLY GO THERE AND LET'S SAY, NOT THAT THEY WOULD, BUT PUT IN A MAZE EASEMENT ACROSS THERE? NO, WE'LL, WE'LL BE A, WE'LL BE A PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. WHAT CONTROLS THAT THOUGH THAT THEY CAN'T DO THAT? I KNOW YOU SAY WE'LL BE A PART OF IT, BUT WHAT ENSURES CONTROL THAT WE ARE A PART? ERIC, YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? UM, SO WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH CENTERPOINT FOR TWO YEARS NOW ABOUT THIS SERVICE AND UM, I THINK REALLY WE'VE DETERMINED THE TRANSFORMER LOCATION. WE'VE COMMUNICATED BETWEEN THE CITY WITH CENTERPOINT. UM, WE HAVE UPDATE MEETINGS TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE MAKING PROGRESS. UM, AND THAT PROGRESS IS NOT QUITE AS QUICK AS WE'D LIKE IT TO BE. SO, UM, I THINK FOLLOWING THEIR STANDARD PROCESS HELPS SHORTEN THAT TIMEFRAME, UM, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE GOING THE BLANKET EASEMENT ROUTE. UM, AND AS FAR AS MAKING SURE THAT THEY PUT IT WHERE WE WANT IT, UM, THEY'VE BEEN REALLY OPEN ABOUT COMMUNICATION AND MEETING WITH US AND HAVING DRAWINGS SHOWING US, UM, WE HAVE DRAWINGS SHOW THEM WHERE WE WANT THE SERVICE AND THEY'VE BEEN TELLING US, UM, WHERE TO PUT OUR FACILITIES. SO I'M NOT, LOOK, I'M NOT GONNA BELABOR THE POINT ANYMORE. I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHERE WE SEE LIKE THERE COULD BE SOME ISSUES HERE. WE HAVEN'T DONE IT BEFORE. WE WANT THIS TO GO FASTER. I'M KIND OF FINE WITH IT DOING IT NOW, BUT HOPEFULLY THIS DOESN'T COME BACK TO BITE US IN THE, YOU KNOW WHAT, UM, BECAUSE THEN YOU'D NEVER PROBABLY SEE ANOTHER BLANKET EASEMENT GRANTED FROM THIS COUNCIL AGAIN. SO LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE KEEP AN EYE ON IT. UH, WITH THAT MAYOR, I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT COUNCIL, UH, APPROVE A BLANKET EASEMENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF RE AND CENTER POINT ENERGY HOUSTON ELECTRIC SECOND MOTION. MOTION BEEN MADE BY MR. OPPE AND SECONDED BY MS. BARON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THERE BEING NONE. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? NAY. NAY. THANK Y'ALL. WAIT A MINUTE. THAT'S THREE NAY. DID I GET THREE OR TWO? TWO HAVE FOUR AYES, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, THAT'S FINE. DO WE HAVE THREE A'S TWO NAYS, BUT IN ONE ABSENT. ONE ABSENT. SO THAT'S TIED. THAT'S FOUR. THREE, FOUR. THREE. THAT'S FOUR. THREE, YES. OKAY. FOUR TO THREE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. DIDN'T HURT ALL THESE VOICES. SO THE MOTION DOES PASS. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM E, CONSIDERATION D, EXCUSE ME, ITEM [BUSINESS - D] DI APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. ITEM D, CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AGREEMENT NUMBER 2 20 25 DASH OH OH SEVEN FOR THE DESIGN OF THE KATY FOER LIFT STATION EXPANSION PROJECT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR THE KATIE FULCHER LIFT STATION EXPANSION PROJECT, WHICH WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN. UM, THE PROJECT WILL CONSIST OF EXPANDING THE EXISTING LIFT STATION, PUMPING CAPACITY TO 1.1 MGD, WHICH IS MILL MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. UM, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, WE WILL ALSO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCT A, UH, EIGHT INCH FORCE MAIN, UH, FROM THE KATY FULCHER LIFT STATION TO THE CROSS CREEK RANCH REGIONAL LIFT STATION. UH, THE GOAL OF THIS PROJECT, UM, IS NOT ONLY TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY, BUT TO DIVERT THE FLOWS FROM THE DOWNTOWN, UH, WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY AND REROUTE IT TO GO TO THE CROSS CREEK RANCH, UH, WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY. SO, UH, WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE DESIGN CONTRACT WITH RE AND NICHOLS FOR $376,000 FOR THE DESIGN OF BOTH OF THOSE ASPECTS OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. TIFFANY, CAN WE GET A MAP? CAN YOU PUT UP A MAP AND SHOW US WHERE THESE THINGS ARE? SURE. THE KATIE FULCHER LIP STATION IS, UH, IF YOU GO TO 10 93, UM, HEADED TOWARDS DOWNTOWN, IT IS RIGHT THERE AT THE CORNER OF 10 93 AND KATY FULCHER, AND WE DO USUALLY ATTACH A MAP. I APOLOGIZE. UM, THIS ONE WAS KIND OF, JESUS, JESUS. CAN YOU PUT UP A MAP ON THE BOARD? WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT, UM, OUR COMMENTS HAVE BEEN SENT TO THE VENDOR, BUT WE'VE NOT GOTTEN THEIR COMMENTS BACK OR AN EXECUTED COPY. CORRECT. SO, UM, IF YOU WOULD MAKE THE MOTION SUBJECT TO FINAL LEGAL REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THANK YOU. FINAL APPROVAL, FINAL LEGAL REVIEW, 10 93. AND KATIE CHER. SO, [01:00:01] NORTHEAST CORNER. NORTHEAST CORNER. I ALWAYS DO MAPS, BUT THIS ONE WASN'T PLANNING ON TAKING IN OCTOBER, SO I RUSHED, SO IT'S A SMALL WOODEN FENCE AROUND, IT'S VERY RIGHT HERE. OKAY. LIFT STATION THERE. AND THAT'S GONNA GO ALL THE WAY TO THE CROSS CREEK LIFT STATION, WHICH IS AT 10 93. AND TEXAS SAGE PARKWAY, OR WHERE IS THAT GOING TO, OR IS THAT GOING TO WATER PLANT ONE? NO, IT, IT'S GONNA GO EAST THAT IT'S GONNA GO INTO THE LIFT STATION THAT'S ROUGHLY BEHIND THIS NEW STRIP CENTER OVER HERE ON 10 93. OKAY. UM, NOT THE ONE WITH, UH, BASKIN BINS, BUT THE NEW ONE JUST WEST OF THAT NUMBER THREE. RIGHT? MM-HMM. , LUPE. PAGE 300. LUPE'S MEXICAN. OKAY. IF YOU GO INSIDE THE PACKET, THANK YOU. PAGE 300. IF YOU GO TO PAGE 300, THERE IS A MAP THAT IDENTIFIES THE ROUTE. NICE. AND THIS WAS, AND THIS IS NOT THE LIFT STATION, WHICH WE APPROVED LAST MONTH, WHICH WAS UP BY THE TECH SANTA LIFT STATION, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. OH, THERE, IT'S, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IT THEN AS WELL, BUT WE'VE TRIED TO RENAME ALL OF OUR FACILITIES TO MORE ON A MORE GEOGRAPHICAL BASIS. YEAH. YES. THIS WAS FORMALLY KNOWN AS LIFT STATION FOUR. WHICH WOULD, YOU WOULD NOT KNOW GEOGRAPHICALLY WHERE THAT WOULD BE. SO, KATIE CHER, KIND OF, SO NOW THAT WE, WE'VE SEEN 10 93 HAVE SOME CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING, IS IS, DO YOU HAVE TO INTERFACE WITH TXDOT FOR THIS PROJECT? UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DEFINE THE ROUTE, UM, WHICH WOULD BE, BUT WE DO HAVE A EASEMENT. RIGHT. IT'LL BE IN RIGHT AWAY OR EXISTING CITY EASEMENT. YES. OKAY. PART OF THIS IS THE ROUTE STUDY. SO THE, THE ROUTE IS NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT DEFINED BY ANY MEANS. OKAY. ZACH, SO THE MAP THAT YOU SENT EVERYONE WITH, UH, SHOWING ALL OF THE UPDATED UTILITY NAMES, IS THAT ON THE CITY WEBSITE? UH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT IS. IF IT'S NOT, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE IT THERE. BUDGET BOOK. IT'S IN THE BUDGET BOOK, BUT WE'LL MAKE SURE IT'S PULLED OUT SEPARATELY AS WELL. YEAH, BECAUSE I MEAN, THERE ARE AREAS YOU CAN GO AND SEE THE CITY LIMITS, THE ETJA, SO FORTH AND SO ON. BUT HAVING THIS WITH ALL THE NEW NAMES, UH, IN THE MAP SECTION'S, VERY EASY TO GO AND SEE WHERE THE LIFT STATIONS ARE. THE WATER PLANTS ARE SO FORTH. YEAH. SO, SO FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH THE, THE EXPANSION TO THE DOWNTOWN, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, CORRECT? YES. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE WERE GONNA NEED ADDITIONAL LIFT STATION IN ORDER TO PUSH THAT TO THE CROSS CREEK WASTEWATER PLANT. CORRECT. IS THIS THAT ONE THAT'S HERE, OR IS THAT A DIFFERENT ONE? SO LAST MONTH WE HAD THE ANA LIFT STATION DESIGN, AND THEN WE HAD THE, UM, DOWNTOWN WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY DESIGN, UH, WHICH IS AN EXPANSION TO THE DOWNTOWN PLANT. UM, THAT EXPANSION, WHILE THESE FLOWS ARE CURRENTLY GOING TO THE DOWNTOWN, UH, IN ORDER TO HELP PREVENT US FROM EXCEEDING CAPACITIES AT THE DOWNTOWN PLANT, WHILE WE CONTINUE TO EXPAND THAT AND GO THROUGH THAT, IT IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO REROUTE THESE FLOWS OFF OF THIS LIFT STATION. TO TAKE IT TO THE CCR. WE DO HAVE A SEPARATE DESIGN FOR THE CROSS CREEK RANCH WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY, WHERE WE WOULD BE ALSO EXPANDING THAT PLANT JUST TO GO A LITTLE BIT MORE BIGGER PICTURE. EVENTUALLY THAT DOWNTOWN PLAN IN THE MEETING BECOMES A DIVERSION LIFT STATION. WE'LL BE DIVERTING FLOWS NORTH, WHICH IS GOING TOWARDS TANA, THAT'S THE ONE FROM LAST MONTH, AND ALSO EAST, UH, TO THE CROSS CREEK RANCH, UH, WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. UM, AND KATIE FULCHER IS SORT OF THE LINK IN THE CHAIN THERE, BUT, UH, I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE, UH, FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, 'CAUSE THIS SHOWS THAT THE DESIGN IS ANTICIPATED FOR SIX MONTHS, AND THEN THE ACTUAL EXPANSION IS ANOTHER NINE MONTHS. SO WE'RE TALKING 15 MONTHS OUT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE FOR THE REASON WHY THAT WE DID THE EXPANSION ON THE DOWNTOWN, THAT THIS ISN'T NEEDED. IN ORDER TO HIT THOSE FROM THE DOWNTOWN PLANT PERSPECTIVE, WE NEED TO MOVE THESE FLOWS OFF OF THE DOWNTOWN. THAT'S WHY THIS ONE IS ONE OF OUR FIRST OF FY 25 PROJECTS THAT WE'RE AWARDING AND HAVE BEEN EXPEDITING THE, UH, PROCESS OF GETTING THIS PROPOSAL, THE EXPEDITED PROCESS OF SIX MONTHS FOR DESIGN FOR THAT FORCE MAIN. THAT'S WHY WE'RE SPLITTING THE EXPANSION OF THE LIFT STATION AND THE, UM, BIDDING OF THE FORCE MAIN, BECAUSE WE NEED THAT FORCE MAIN IN, UH, BEFORE THE END OF 2025, UH, DUE TO CAPACITY AT THE DOWNTOWN PLANT. [01:05:02] OKAY. MAYOR, I MOVE COUNSEL, APPROVE AGREEMENT. 2025 DASH OH OH SEVEN. SECOND. MOTION TO MOVE MR. OPPE. OH, YOU GOTTA DO IT WITH THE CONDITION, SIR. YEAH. MAY I ASK FOR A MOTION TO AMEND PENDING LEGAL REVIEW? OKAY. CAN WE GET A SECOND ON THAT MOTION TO AMEND? OKAY. SO WE DON'T FOLLOW THAT MOTION BE MADE, MR. OPPI WITH THE AMENDED MOTION. AND IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY MR. POOLE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THE AMENDMENT, THE AMENDMENT HAS PASSED. NOW THE UNDERLYING MOTION NEEDS TO HAVE THE VOTE AND NOW THE UNDERLYING MOTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. A OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. HOW ABOUT THAT MARIELLA ? [BUSINESS - E] OKAY. UM, NOTE ITEM E CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 6 42. A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF RE TEXAS APPOINTING ALTERNATE MEMBERS TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. JOSH, GOOD EVENING. SO, UH, AS Y'ALL KNOW, I BROUGHT THE ORDINANCE LAST MONTH, UH, GIVING US THE ABILITY, GIVING Y'ALL THE ABILITY TO CREATE THOSE ALTERNATES. TODAY. WE'RE BRINGING A RESOLUTION, GIVING Y'ALL THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY APPOINT THE ALTERNATES TO THAT BOARD SHOULD WE NEED THEM. IS THERE ANY, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT REGARDING NO. MAY I, UH, PROPOSE COUNSEL, APPROVE CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH 6 42? UH, SO WE'LL, WE GOTTA ADD THE PEOPLE, RIGHT? SO THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY THAT Y'ALL CAN SELECT THE TWO PEOPLE TO BE THE ALTERNATES. CORRECT. UH, AND I CAN TELL YOU, I THINK AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE ONLY RECEIVE ONE APPLICATION. ONE APPLICATION. IT'S CALLIE THOMAS, AND, UM, THAT'S A, IT'S A LADY, I BELIEVE. IS THAT THE FIRST NAME, CALLIE? YES. THAT'S THE ONLY, ONLY APPLICATION WE HAVE AT THIS TIME. YEAH. , WELL, I, I'VE, I'VE READ THROUGH HER, UH, HER, HER PROFILE AND BENEFIT. GENUINELY GOOD PERSON. LOVE TO MEET HER IN PERSON. I THINK SHE'D BE GOOD. HAVE YOU MET HER, JOSH? NOT, NOT YET. I HAVEN'T HAD THE PLEASURE. I I HAVE, HAVE YOU ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY? OH, OKAY. MR. POOL, YOU THINK SHE'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE. SHE'S, UH, GOT HIRED FOR THE PEOPLE. SHE, THEY USED TO LIVE IN, UH, LONDON AND THEY JUST MOVED HERE. THEY'RE WITH SLUMBER JAY. OKAY. SO, SO THEY MOVE AROUND. SO YEAH. SORRY, I I THINK SHE ALSO LIVES IN POLAR RANCH AND I DON'T THINK WE CURRENTLY HAVE TOO ANY POLAR RANCH MEMBERS RIGHT, AS WELL. EXACTLY. SO I MEAN, THE KEY, THE KEY THING ON THIS IS AVAILABILITY, RIGHT? AND THIS IS THE WHOLE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS. ALSO, THE ZBA IS SORT OF A JUDICIARY TYPE COMMITTEE. SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF THE LEGAL COMPONENTS OF WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THE ZBA UNDER WHAT CONDITION SOMETHING COMES TO THE ZBA, WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S, THERE'S A, IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, SHOW UP AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE I, I, I DON'T, I'M NOT TRYING TO MINIMIZE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, BUT THE ZBA IS A VERY IMPORTANT, UH, JUDICIALLY WITH, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO HAVE A NEED TO COME BEFORE FOR A VARIANCE. AND IF THEY DON'T GET THAT AND THEIR NEXT STEP IS TO GO TO DISTRICT COURT, UH, SO IT'S, UH, IT NEEDS TO HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF LEGAL PROCESSES, I THINK IN THE BACKGROUND AND THE SERIOUSNESS, I'VE NOT SEEN THE APPLICATION. UM, I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT I'VE NOT SEEN THE APPLICATION OR READ OR HAVE TALKED TO THE PERSON, YOU KNOW, WAS THIS SENT TO THE COUNCIL AT ALL OR THIS WAS, UH, I KNOW USUALLY WE, WE RECEIVE THOSE, UH, APPLICATION INFORMATION. YEAH. I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN, IN MY INBOX. AND, AND ALSO FURTHER TO THAT, DID WE GO BACK AND ASK ANY OF THE CANDIDATES OF PEOPLE THAT ORIGINALLY WENT OUT FOR BOARDS FOR THIS YEAR THAT MARKED DBA IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING? YES, I HAVE. I HAVEN'T HEARD BACK. OKAY. UH, I ONLY REACHED OUT TO ONE PERSON. IT'S THE ONLY PERSON I KNOW THAT EXPRESSED THAT THEY STILL HAD INTEREST IN SERVING IN SOME CAPACITY WOULD BE, I JUST WANNA PUT OUT THERE THAT WHENEVER SOMEONE DOES VOLUNTEER, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO, GOOD TO KNOW THAT WE CAN ALWAYS UPSKILL THEM IN THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY NEED TO SERVE ON THESE COMMITTEES. IT'S A VOLUNTEER POSITION. THEY CAN, THEY'VE, THEY'VE VOLUNTEERED TO PUT THEIR TIME FORWARD. UM, AND IT'S PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS, UM, CREATING THESE GROUPS TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE SKILLS THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOBS. WELL, SPEAKING TO HER, AND I THINK ZACH CAN, UH, ALSO ATTEST TO [01:10:01] THIS, THAT SHE SEEMED VERY ANALYTICAL. SHE SEEMED VERY ABLE TO HANDLE WHATEVER SITUATION CAME TO HER. SHE WAS, UH, WORKED IN A SOCIAL WORKER IN LONDON MM-HMM. FOR MANY YEARS. SO SHE KNOWS HOW TO TAKE PROBLEMS AND FIX 'EM. SO, AND SHOULD BE SOMEBODY THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN THE APPLICATION. I'M GONNA ASK THE QUESTION. SO I, I PRESUME THAT BASED ON WHAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER POOL HAS SAID, AND, UH, UM, JACK HAS UNDERSTOOD THAT THE INDIVIDUAL IS QUITE QUALIFIED, THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS HAVE MET Y YES, SIR. OKAY. YEAH. AND IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION SENT TO US BEFOREHAND SO WE COULD ALSO TAKE A LOOK AND SPEAK HIGHLY OF THE INDIVIDUAL. UNFORTUNATELY, I'M AT DISADVANTAGE, BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM BEING, UH, NO SUPPORTING THAT APPOINTMENT. OR POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE HAVE THEM COME TO THE CITY COUNCIL, LET'S SAY HELLO. YOU KNOW, BUT I WILL SAY THAT HER BUSINESS BACKGROUND, UH, WE, SHE DOES A QUITE AN EXTENSIVE WORK IN THE SOCIAL AREA AS PUBLIC ADVOCATE, BUT HER BUSINESS BACKGROUND IS, UH, AN STRONG UNDERSTANDING OF OPERATIONS AND STRATEGIC PLANNING. SO, UM, I THINK THAT BRINGS, UH, I, I THINK THE, I THINK THE IMPORTANT PART HERE IS THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT AN ADVISORY COUNCIL LIKE PARKS AND REC YEAH. OR PNZ. THIS IS ACTUAL DECISION MAKING AGAINST VARIANCES OF WE, WE, AS A COUNCIL SET, AND ME PERSONALLY NOT HAVING KNOW ANY INFORMATION, NOT EVEN KNOW WHO THE NAME IS. AND I'M NOT GONNA RESEARCH THEM ONLINE RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M FOR ONE, NOT GONNA BE VOTING FOR ANYBODY AT THIS POINT WITHOUT HAVING THAT INFORMATION. AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY ELSE SHOULD. AND ARE THESE DECISIONS HAVE NO RECOURSE ONCE THESE ARE MADE? CORRECT. I THINK WHAT WE SHOULD DO IS TAKE AND, UH, TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT MONTH. I AGREE. YEAH. I WAS GONNA SAY, EVERYBODY GET THE INFORMATION. YEAH. AND IT'LL GIVE US TIME TO GET MAYBE ANOTHER APPLICANT AS WELL. SO, MAY I MOVE WE TABLE THIS UNTIL THE NOVEMBER GENERAL MEETING AND ALSO REQUEST TO GET THE INFORMATION FOR THE CANDIDATES SENT TO ALL OF COUNSEL. SECOND, SECOND MOTION MADE BY MR. KNAPE, SECONDED BY MR. PATTERSON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'D ALSO LIKE TO SAY, IF IN THE FUTURE, UH, WE COULD POSSIBLY BRING THE CANDIDATES TO COUNCIL TO LET US HAVE A CHANCE TO AT LEAST MEET THEM. OKAY. YEAH. SO, WELL, I MEAN, MAYOR, THERE IS A, THERE IS A PROCESS FOR APPOINTING PEOPLE TO BOARDS AND ALSO WE CAN, UM, UN APPOINT PEOPLE TO BOARDS RIGHT. AT, AT, AT OUR WILL. RIGHT? SO IF THERE'S SOMEONE WHO'S NOT PERFORMING, OR WE BELIEVE THERE'S CONFLICTS OF INTEREST, OR WE BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE GOING ON THAT'S PREVENTING THEM FROM PROPERLY REPRESENTING ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. WE CAN, UH, GENERALLY YOU HAVE ULTIMATE DISCRETION TO REMOVE, UH, ANYONE FROM A BOARD OF COMMISSION EXCEPT FOR ZBA, WHICH NEEDS GOOD CAUSE. RIGHT? OKAY. SO ANYWAYS, THERE'S PER THE HOME RULE CHARTER, THERE'S RULES. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK, UH, ANYWAYS, ENOUGH SAID. SO THIS IS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COMMUNICATE, THIS IS NOTHING AGAINST THE CANDIDATE, IT'S JUST THE DUE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT WAY THAT WE DON'T WANT MINIMIZE ANYBODY'S EFFORTS TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF CITY AND VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME. THANKS. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WILL SOMEBODY REACH OUT TO HER UNTIL THEY RE POSTPONED IT? UNTIL NEXT MONTH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. MOTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE AND SECONDED. A ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. A OPPOSED? OKAY, MOVING ON. THANK YOU. ITEM [BUSINESS - F] F UH, JUST DISCUSSION REGARDING REDISTRICTING. MR. GOODLAND, DO YOU WANT TO START OFF PLEASE? WELL, THIS ITEM WAS REQUESTED, UM, PER CHARTER BY, I DON'T REMEMBER, FOR QUO WAS TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS OR THE MAYOR. UM, UM, SECTION THREE POINT, SOMETHING OF THE, THE CITY'S CHARTER. UM, I'VE GOT IT PULLED UP, UM, RIGHT NOW. UM, BUT, UM, I THINK SOME, SOME OPINIONS I, I WAS EX EXPRESSED WITH, OR, OR BY, WAS THAT SHOULD WE PROCEED WITH REDISTRICTING? UM, THIS IS A HOT BUTTON ISSUE FOR SOME. UM, I KNOW THERE'S A COST FACTOR. I THINK THERE'S A, A CONCERN THAT PEOPLE AREN'T ADEQUATELY REPRESENTED, PARTICULARLY IN DISTRICTS ONE AND FOUR, AND NO, SARAH'S NOT HERE THIS EVENING, UM, TO SPEAK FOR DISTRICT ONE. BUT I THINK ANOTHER CONCERN WOULD BE IS THAT IF WE TAKE A SNAPSHOT OF TODAY'S POPULATION, HOW INDICATIVE OF THAT IS, IS THAT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, UH, 'CAUSE FOR DISTRICT ONE AT LEAST, UM, YOU KNOW, PECAN RIDGE AND DOWE HAVE JUST STARTED, STATES AT JAMES, LYNN AND BEAUMONT HAVE NOT, OR NOT, UH, HAD ANY RESIDENTS MOVE IN YET. NOW THERE'S CANVAS ON FOUNDERS HILL AND THE DISTRICT FOUR, THERE'S THE VENTERA APARTMENTS, UH, WHICH ARE STILL GETTING CONSTRUCTED RIGHT NOW. BROADSTONE IS STILL NEW. SO THOSE DISTRICTS IN PARTICULAR WILL STILL CHANGE. [01:15:01] SO IF YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THROUGH DISTRICTING NOW, YOU MIGHT NEED TO DO REDISTRICTING AGAIN NEXT YEAR. AND HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU WANNA DO IT BEFORE THIS NEXT CENSUS IN 2030? MM-HMM. . UM, SO THOSE WERE THE CONCERNS. I, I WAS TOLD, UM, WE DID OF COURSE APPROVE AN ENGAGEMENT LETTER WITH BICKER STAFF. HEATH AND DELGADO, I THINK IS THE NAME OF THE FIRM LAST MONTH, WHO DID THE PREVIOUS REDISTRICTING, UM, A COUPLE YEARS AGO AFTER THE 2020 CENSUS. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THEY HAVE ACTUALLY NOT BEGUN ANY WORK. THEY'VE NOT AT LEAST PROVIDED THE EXECUTED DOCUMENT BACK TO US. UM, SO THERE'S STILL AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF TAKE A READ A, A DIFFERENT APPROACH, BUT THAT IS, THAT'S WHY IT'S HERE FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION. SO I'LL MAKE A FEW COMMENTS BECAUSE I WAS ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ASKED FOR THIS TO BE LOOKED AT, AND WE LOOKED AT IT A FEW MONTHS OR SO AGO, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY. WE HAD THE CONSULTANT COME IN AND GIVE US SOME ADVICE, UH, UM, IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO I'LL NOT SHARE THAT. BUT BASICALLY, HERE'S THE DILEMMA. SO THE CURRENT REDISTRICTING WAS DONE BASED ON THE 2020 CENSUS DATA. UM, OBVIOUSLY EVEN THAT DATA THAT WE HAD, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE, THERE WERE ONLY CERTAIN THINGS YOU CAN DO BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CENSUS DATA IS REPRESENTED, RIGHT? THERE'S, UH, THE WAY THE DATA'S COLLECTED GEOGRAPHICALLY, AND YOU CAN'T SPLIT THOSE NUMBERS UP. AND SO THERE ARE A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS, AND WE WORKED THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS, AND WE DID CHANGE DISTRICT FOUR SIGNIFICANTLY GEOGRAPHICALLY, TO ACCOMMODATE FOR WHAT WE EXPECTED THE GROWTH TO BE. WE ALSO, UH, GEOGRAPHICALLY EXPANDED DISTRICT ONE TO ACCOUNT FOR THE KNOWN DEVELOPMENT THAT WE SAW COMING. UM, SO , BUT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT TWO, THREE, AND FIVE, WHICH ARE SORT OF IN THE OLD CROSS CREEK AREA, WHICH ARE, THEY'RE SORT OF BOUND, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ROOM FOR GROWTH. AND SO WE DIDN'T REALLY DO MUCH WITH THOSE, BUT AT THAT TIME, DISTRICT FOUR WAS ALSO THE SMALLEST, UH, UH, DENSITY DISTRICT, UH, EVEN SMALLER THAN TWO, THREE, AND FIVE. SO WE DID WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS A GOOD JOB. BUT OBVIOUSLY THE GROWTH EXPLOSION, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THE, THE NUMBER OF HOUSES BEING BUILT, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING IN. AND THE ONE THING THAT I, A COUPLE A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO THE OTHER THING IS THAT NOW 2030, WE WILL NEED TO DO A REDISTRICTING EVERY 10 YEARS. SO BASED ON THE CENSUS DATA THAT WE GET IN 2030 AND HOWEVER ACCURATE THAT IS AND HOWEVER IT'S SET UP, BUT WE WOULD NEED TO DO SOMETHING, OUR HOME RULE CHARTER STATES THAT WE'LL HAVE FIVE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS AND TWO AT LARGE REPRESENTATIVES. UM, SO WE RUN THE RISK, IN MY OPINION, ALTHOUGH I'M NOT A LAWYER LEGALLY, IF SOMEONE WANTED TO CHALLENGE THAT, NOT PROPERLY REPRESENTED, RIGHT? SO ALL OF THE NEW GROWTH IN DISTRICT ONE, YOU HAVE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER REPRESENTING ALL OF THAT GROWTH. SO DOWN BOAR, UH, FULCHER RUN FOR BO COME, FULCHER CREEK, UM, POLO RANCH, UH, DEWE PECAN RIDGE, AND ALL THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT AND THE FUTURE APARTMENTS TO BE BUILT ON 3 59. SO THAT IS ALL DISTRICT ONE, UH, DISTRICT FOUR IS MUCH LARGER AND IT HAS BEEN OVERWHELMED WITH POPULATION FROM FOUR, UM, BASICALLY APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND WILL BE FIVE. SO THERE'S A BIT OF A CHALLENGE THERE. SO IF SOMEONE WANTED TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, YOU, WE'VE GOT, UH, 8,000 PEOPLE HERE BEING REPRESENTED BY ONE PERSON THAT LIVES, UH, DOWN OFF BODARK AND DOESN'T LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR WHERE WE ARE, AND WE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING PROPER REPRESENTATION, THEN WHAT IS THE CITY TO DO? SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE, THE CHALLENGE. NOW, REDISTRICTING IS ALSO A CHALLENGE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE CENSUS DATA TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER FORMS OF DATA THAT WE COULD LOOK AT. UM, IS IT, IS IT WORTH DOING? I DON'T KNOW. UM, BUT THAT'S THE PREMISES OF EVERYTHING THAT'S OUT THERE. AND THE REASON THAT, UH, THE OTHER, UH, COUNCILMAN AND MYSELF SUGGESTED THAT IT BE LOOKED AT. UM, I DO KNOW THAT, UM, THERE MAY BE SOME ALTERNATIVES, BUT, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE PER THE HOME RULE CHARTER. UM, IF WE COULD CHANGE THE WAY THE REPRESENTATION IS WITH THE TWO AT LARGE PEOPLE AND THE FIVE SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS, OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE TAKE FOUR AND ONE AND BREAK 'EM IN HALF AND HAVE, UH, SIX SINGLE MEMBER, SEVEN SINGLE MEMBER DISTRICTS AND NO, NO LONGER TWO AT LARGE. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF CHALLENGES. SO THE EASIEST THING IS TO NOT DO ANYTHING RIGHT, BUT THERE IS A RISK WITH NOT DOING ANYTHING. THAT'S MY, YEAH. AND JUST FOR SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT, THE, THE CURRENT DISTRICTS ARE SET UPON THE, OR BASED UPON THE 2020 CENSUS, THIS WAS JUST ESSENTIALLY APRIL OF 2020, UM, AND JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW QUICKLY THINGS CAN CHANGE IN RE THAT WAS, POLAR RANCH WAS JUST STARTING, UH, [01:20:01] PECAN RIDGE AND DOWES WERE WEREN'T EVEN CONCEPTS. UH, BUT IT ALSO SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, A YEAR FROM NOW THEY CAN CHANGE QUICKLY AGAIN. SO JUST HOW OFTEN DO YOU WANNA BE DOING IT? SOMETHING, AS YOU REFERENCED, THERE IS LANGUAGE ALREADY IN THE CHARTER, SOMETHING THAT WAS PROPOSED BY THE LAST CHARTER AMENDMENT PROCESS AND VOTED TO BE INCLUDED BY THE VOTERS. UM, IN 2022 WAS THE, THE FOLLOWING PHRASE FOR ONLY THE AT LARGE COUNCIL MEMBER POSITIONS, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY BY ORDINANCE ESTABLISH ADDITIONAL QUALIFICATIONS FOR CANDIDATES OR ESTABLISH NO MORE THAN TWO DISTRICTS WITHIN WHICH A CANDIDATE MUST RESIDE, OR BOTH. SO COUNCIL AT ITS DISCRETION CAN ATTACH MAYBE GEOGRAPHIC QUALIFICATIONS TO ONE OF THE AT LARGE POSITIONS. YEAH, SO MY, MY THOUGHTS ON THIS, UM, OBVIOUSLY WAITING TILL 2031 IS TOO LONG. UM, BUT, AND, AND SO WE DON'T WANNA DO THIS EVERY TWO YEARS. LIKE THAT'S A LITTLE RIDICULOUS. UH, SO I THINK WE AT LEAST NEED TO DO IT ONCE IN BETWEEN, UH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAD APPROVED THE PIECE, UM, A COUPLE MONTHS AGO TO, TO PROCEED WITH THE OUTSIDE CONSULTANT. IF I'M LOOKING AT CURRENTLY CITY LIMITS AND WHAT IS TO BE DEVELOPED, THERE'S REALLY ONLY A FEW POCKETS LEFT. AND BASED OFF OF EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THOSE ALL ARE LOOKED TO BE FORECASTED PROBABLY IN THE NEXT 18 MONTHS AROUND THERE. PECAN RIDGE, MAYBE NOT FULLY, BUT A MAJORITY OF IT, BROOK ON FOLSTER CREEK IS GONNA BE FINISHED OUT. UH, BELMONT ESTATES IS GONNA BE DONE. UH, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE APARTMENTS THAT WERE JUST PART OF THE CONSENT ITEMS, UH, UP OFF OF 3 59, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IS THERE. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPEN, MORE SPACE WHERE IT CHANGES THE POPULATION DENSITY IN CERTAIN AREAS. AND TO ME, THAT LOOKS LIKE A BETTER HORIZON IS PROBABLY CLOSER TO THE END OF 2025 OF WHERE WE WOULD GET A GOOD ESTIMATE. AND SO, UH, BASED ON THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY TABLE THIS UNTIL THE FOLLOWING YEAR, UM, OF GOING PAST 2025 TO SEE THAT FINISH OUT. AND IT STILL SPLITS THE 10 YEAR SINCE THIS TIMEFRAME. SO I ALSO HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THESE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERNED ME IS THE NUMBER OF, UH, UH, ADDITIONAL PEOPLE THAT WE WILL HAVE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS THAT WE'LL MOVE TO THE AREA. AND SO IF WE DO IT NOW, AND THEN WE ARE GONNA END UP IN THE SAME SITUATION A COUPLE OF YEARS DOWN THE LINE, UH, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE TO HAVE NOW BASICALLY CONTINUING TO DO THIS EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS. UH, I WOULD SAY I, I WOULD PREFER A LITTLE BIT LONGER HORIZON. THE REASON IS WE WENT FROM A 2020 CENSUS, BUT WHEN WE DID IT, WE IMPLEMENTED IN 23, I THINK THAT WAS THE FIRST YEAR. SO WE DID IN 22 AND IMPLEMENTED IN 23. I WOULD SAY LET'S DO A FIVE YEAR DO IT IN 27, AND THAT WAY WE'D BE ABLE TO REDO IT IN 32 AGAIN FIVE YEARS LATER WITH THE DATA THAT WE'LL HAVE IN 20 30, 20 31. THAT WAY IT WOULD BE IN AN EVEN CYCLE TILL THEN WE CAN ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF REPRESENTATION IN THE FASHION THAT, UH, I THINK OUR HOME WORLD CHARTER ALLOWS THAT WILL SOLVE THAT REPRESENTATION, UH, UH, I GUESS, UH, ECCENTRIC CITY IN A MUCH FASTER AND, UM, HAS LESS HASSLE FOR EVERYBODY. YEAH, WE HAVE DISTRICT ONE WILL BE COMING OFF MYSELF, WILL BE COMING OFF, SO YOU CAN MAKE THAT BE ONE THAT'S GONNA BE IN, HAS TO BE ON THE, SAY THE WEST SIDE OF THP GEOGRAPHICALLY, RIGHT? THAT WAY IT'S GOT TWO PEOPLE THEN THAT ARE GONNA BE ADDRESSING THAT SIDE, AND WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN RIGHT AT THE, UH, 2025 ELECTIONS WITH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER POOLE. UM, I'LL, I'LL JUST SAY, I, I, I, MY RECOLLECTION WAS THAT THE 2020 SINCE THIS WAS DELAYED BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, I DUNNO IF THE 2030 WILL BE AS WELL. UH, BUT REGARDLESS, WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING IS THAT WE DO WANT TO DELAY THIS CURRENT PROCESS, WHETHER THAT'S THE END OF 25 OR 26, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT IN THE FUTURE, BUT MAYBE IN THE MORE SHORT TERM IT'S BRING SOME, SOME, UH, EXISTING POPULATION PROJECTIONS, UM, BUT ALSO MAYBE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO. AND SO WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT, IF ANY, THAT GEOGRAPHIC RESTRICTION IS, IS THAT FAIR? AND I THINK, I THINK SOMETHING THAT I IS KIND OF WAS BEING TALKED ABOUT AND THAT ALLOWS US FROM A CHARTER PERSPECTIVE IS PER SE, IF WE WANTED TO, LET'S SAY NEXT MAY TIMEFRAME OR WHATEVER, IF WE WANTED TO DE DESIGNATE ONE OF THE AT LARGE AS A NORTH OF 10 93, UH, DISTRICT ONE, THAT WOULD GIVE A SEPARATION THERE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD GIVE SOME GEOGRAPHICAL MEANING THERE AS WELL. SO NORTH AND 10 93 AND WEST OF, UH, TEXAS HERITAGE WOULD BE THE AREA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS. IS THE GEOGRAPHICAL LIMITATION [01:25:01] ACCEPTABLE FOR SPECIFYING AT LARGE, OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE BY DISTRICT? QUESTION FOR BYRON. SO THE, UM, CHARTER PROVISION ALLOWING YOU TO, TO PUT A, ESSENTIALLY A RESIDENCY RESTRICTION ON THE AT LARGE POSITIONS, UM, THAT DOESN'T REALLY IMPLICATE THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT. SO IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY OF WHAT YOU COULD DO THERE. UH, THE ONLY REAL ISSUE FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE YOU MIGHT RUN INTO IS, UM, SOME KIND OF, UH, DISCRIMINATORY INTENT, WHICH IS, UH, UH, USUALLY IN DEFERENCE TO, UH, THE CRITERIA THAT USED TO MAKE THE DECISION, AS LONG AS THERE'S A RATIONAL BASIS FOR THE DECISION THAT YOU MAKE, UH, ANY, ANY CLAIM FROM ANYBODY THAT WOULD HAVE STANDING FOR DISCRIMINATION IS PROBABLY VERY SMALL. UM, YEAH, THE RATIONAL BASIS IS BASICALLY THE POPULATION GROWTH SPECIFICALLY IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA WEST OF, UH, TEXAS HERITAGE PARKWAY AND NORTH OF 10 93. BUT THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT THE CHARTER ALLOW IS, IS THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS OF THE CANDIDATE, CORRECT. NOT THE VOTING BLOCK. IT'S STILL AN AT LARGE THAT WOULD BE VOTED ON BY ALL OF THE ENTIRE, UH, CITIZENS OF THE CITY. CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. YEAH. I, I, I, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A VOTING THING OR A CONSENSUS THING THAT WE NEED TO DO, BASICALLY, LIKE, UH, I I HAVE ONE MORE. I MEAN, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT, RIGHT? I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE LEAST PATH OF RESISTANCE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT. AND, UM, BUT I THINK WE'RE KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS SITUATION WITHOUT COMPLETELY CHANGING. ALL THE DISTRICTS TWO, THREE, AND FIVE ARE BOUND TOGETHER. THERE'S NO ROOM FOR EXPANSION. THEY'LL HAVE TO ALL BE REDESIGNED, RIGHT. AND MOST LIKELY, THE MEMBER THAT IS RESIDING IN THAT DISTRICT WILL NO LONGER RESIDE IN THAT DISTRICT. I THINK IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO CHANGE TWO, THREE, AND FIVE TO BE LARGE ENOUGH GEOGRAPHICALLY AND SEPARATED OUT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE AND STILL HAVE THOSE PEOPLE RESIDING IN THERE. SO IT IS GONNA BE A BIG, BIG PIECE OF WORK, I THINK, UM, AND MAYBE THE, WHAT WE DID IN 2020 WAS MY FIRST TIME EVER REDISTRICTING IS WE ALSO TOOK SORT OF THE LEAST PATH OF RESISTANCE THERE, BECAUSE THE EASY THING TO DO WAS TO MAKE FOUR GEOGRAPHICALLY BIGGER, ONE GEOGRAPHICALLY BIGGER AND LEAVE TWO, THREE, AND FIVE THE WAY IT WAS BECAUSE THEY WERE WITHIN 10% OF EACH OTHER IN THE POPULATION. UM, SO IT'S JUST, IT IS GOING TO BE A BIG JOB AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PUSHING IT DOWN THE ROAD, BUT I'M FINE WITH THAT AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, AS A RESIDENT. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M OKAY WITH THAT OR NOT, BUT I'LL DO WHATEVER COUNCIL WANTS TO DO HERE. I JUST HAVE ONE MORE THING. UH, WHEN WE DO REDISTRICT AND WE PUT ALL THE NEW DISTRICTS IN, IT'S ALL, EVERYBODY GOES BACK TO BE VOTED ON AGAIN, CORRECT? YEAH. SO THERE IS, UM, CURRENT LEGISLATION THAT BECAME EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1ST OF THIS YEAR. UH, THAT BASICALLY SAYS THAT AFTER EACH REAPPORTIONMENT OF THE CITY, SO THAT'S WHETHER YOU DO IT, UM, AS REQUIRED BY THE CENSUS OR IF YOU ELECT TO DO IT OUT OF SEQUENCE BY YOURSELF, UH, SO OUT AFTER ANY REAPPORTIONMENT, UH, THE ENTIRE GOVERNING BODY HAS TO STAND TO BE REELECTED AND THEN TO REESTABLISH THE STAGGERING LIKE WE HAVE NOW. UM, WE'D HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY FAIRLY COME UP WITH, UH, WHO GETS THE ONE YEAR TERM AND WHO DOESN'T AND THAT SORT OF THING. UH, BUT YES, AS LONG AS THAT LEGISLATION IS STILL IN EFFECT AT WHATEVER THE NEXT REAPPORTIONMENT IS, THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. WOULD THAT BE IF WE DID THE AT LARGE POSITION AND DOING A GEOGRAPHIC WELL, THE CURIOUS THING THERE IS THAT IT'S NOT REDISTRICT, REAPPORTIONMENT IS NOT DEFINED FOR PURPOSES OF THAT STATUTE. SO I DON'T HAVE A CLEAR ANSWER ON THAT. OH, INTERESTING. YEAH. BUT THAT'S BEING DONE THROUGH THE CHARTER, CHARTER REGULATIONS DOESN'T MATTER. CORRECT. UM, SO I, I CAN'T SAY FOR CERTAIN THAT, UM, A JUDGE OR JURY WOULD NOT, IT'S NOT CHANGING. IT'S NOT CHANGING THE REPRESENTATION. IT'S CHANGING WHERE THE PERSON RESIDES FROM. SO THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY BEARING ON IT, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. UM, I, THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY IS I, KNOWING THIS COUNCIL AND KNOWING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S WORRIED THAT IF THEIR DISTRICT GETS DISTRICTED OUT, THAT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT LOSING THE AMAZING BENEFITS WE HAVE AS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THIS IS NOT LIKE STATE OR FEDERAL. SO IF IT JUST SO HAPPENS, I THINK EVERYBODY'S FINE WITH THAT. WE'RE NOT GONNA BE FIGHTING OVER KEEPING OUR DISTRICTS. YEAH. THANKS FOR POINTING THAT OUT. COUNCIL MEMBER . UM, SO I'M THE LEAST AFFECTED IN ALL THIS TO BE HONEST. I MEAN, HE IS UP FOR ELECTION NEXT YEAR, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER FOR ME. THE TWO BIGGEST THINGS ARE, UM, FIRST IF WE DO IT NOW, ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER DOWN THE LINE? BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THESE NEW, UM, RESIDENTS THAT WILL BE COMING IN DISTRICT ONE, PRIMARILY IN DISTRICT FOUR TO SOME EXTENT. SO THAT'S ONE. AND THEN SECOND IS THEN WE'LL HAVE TO, BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION, WE'LL HAVE ELECTIONS IN FOUR CONSECUTIVE YEARS, WHICH IS UNNECESSARY EXPENSE, WHICH WHEN, IF IT'S [01:30:01] A MATTER OF REPRESENTATION, WE CAN ADDRESS IT THROUGH THE PARALLEL, PARALLEL ROUTE OF, UH, ASSIGNING THE AT LARGE POSITION GEOGRAPHICALLY IN THAT AREA. THEN THAT SOLVES BOTH THE PROBLEMS. WE CAN, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE CALLING IT KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, I THINK IT'S FOR A VALID PURPOSE SO THAT WE CAN ACCOUNT FOR THAT GROWTH IN POPULATION AND WE CAN STILL PROVIDE THE REPRESENTATION THAT DISTRICT ONE AND FOUR NEED TO THE, TO THE POINT ABOUT THE COST OF THE ELECTION, I, I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE BECAUSE BASED ON OUR EVERY TWO YEARS AND ALTERNATING MEMBERS, WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ELECTION EVERY YEAR ANYWAY. SO I DON'T THINK THAT BRINGS ANY ADDITIONAL PIECE OF, WHETHER IT'S FOUR MEMBERS OR WHETHER IT'S FIVE MEMBERS OR SEVEN MEMBERS. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. UM, IT'S A PRETTY MUCH A SET FEE OF WHAT WE PAY AT LEAST RIGHT NOW THROUGH THE COUNTY OF DOING OUR ELECTION PROCESS. BUT WE WOULD HAVE AN ADDITIONAL COST FOR THE CONSULTANTS THAT COME IN. WE WOULD HAVE, THE POINT THAT WE WOULD HAVE IT IS WHEN WE DE, WHEN WE UTILIZE THE CONSULTANTS TO GIVE US THE ADVICE ON WHERE THE REDISTRICTING SHOULD BE, SO THAT WAY WE HAVE FAIR AND ACCURATE REPRESENTATION AMONG OUR CITIZENS. THAT WILL BE A COST EVERY TIME. YES. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD LIMIT. SO THAT WAY WE'RE NOT DOING THAT ALL THE TIME. YES. UH, BECAUSE THEN THAT MAKES IT VERY COSTLY. WHAT, WHAT WAS THE CURRENT COST THAT ESTIMATED ON BIGGER STEP? MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THE LAST REDISTRICTING WAS BETWEEN 10 AND 15,000 TOTAL. OKAY. THE, THE BIGGER PART ON THE BIGGER PART ON THAT, AND WHERE I SEE IT FROM A CITY PERSPECTIVE IS, IS, YEAH, I MEAN, COULD YOU, COULD YOU GO BACK EVERY YEAR AND, AND REDISTRICT BASED ON NUMBERS? TECHNICALLY YOU COULD, BUT WHAT'S THE POINT OF IT? AND PLUS WITH THE NEW LAWS IN EFFECT, THE FACT THAT WE WOULD BE DOING IT, EVERYTHING WOULD BE UP. AND I THINK THAT HONESTLY WOULD PRESENT A VERY UNSTABLE CITY GOVERNMENT POTENTIALLY. I AGREE. AND WE ALREADY HAVE THAT WITH TWO YEAR TERMS ANYWAY, SO YOU DON'T HAVE LONGER PERIODS. I GUESS I'M ALSO CONSIDERING THE LIMITATIONS OF THE DATA THAT WE HAVE TO PULL FROM, WE HAVE THE CENSUS DATA, AND WE'RE ALSO THINKING OF USING THE UTILITY DATA, BUT HOW MUCH GRANULARITY CAN WE GET FROM THAT AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY USABLE? WELL, I MEAN, THIS IS THE CHALLENGE, RIGHT? SO THE REASON WE DID THIS, THE WAY WE DID IT LAST TIME WAS BECAUSE WE USED THE CENSUS DATA AND WE KNEW THAT DISTRICT FOUR M1 WERE THE NEW GROWTH AREAS FOR THE CITY. WE KNEW ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, AND WE HAVE, OBVIOUSLY WE CAN PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE GROWTH IS AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE DEMOGRAPHICS AND ALL THESE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT WE COULD NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, WE COULD NOT GO AND JUST REDO ALL FIVE DISTRICTS BECAUSE WE WERE USING THE CENSUS DATA. SO WE COULDN'T, UH, YOU CAN'T USE PROJECTIONS. SORRY. YOU CAN'T USE PROJECTIONS TO CREATE THE CENSUS. NO, YOU TO CREATE THE DISTRICT BLOCKS. BUT WE, BUT WE EXTENDED THE DISTRICTS GEOGRAPHICALLY TO ACCOUNT FOR THE GROWTH. RIGHT. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT IT, THE PACE WAS SO MUCH FASTER THAN WE, WELL, MAYBE NOT THAN WE THOUGHT, BUT FASTER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. SO, MM-HMM. , I MEAN, WE COULD NOT, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WE COULD NOT HAVE GONE AND TAKEN TWO, THREE, AND FIVE AND MADE THEM BIGGER. CORRECT. RIGHT. AND MOVED THEM OUT HERE. YEAH. BECAUSE YOU WOULD'VE THEN HAD THE, TO TRY AND TARGET WITHIN 10% OF POPULATION WITHIN THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS WOULD'VE BEEN VERY DIFFICULT. I MEAN, NOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF DATA YOU USED, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO IT. UH, SO THAT IT, SO THAT IT LASTED YOU FOR FIVE YEARS. I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT BY JUST, YOU WILL HAVE TO CHANGE TWO, THREE, AND FIVE SIGNIFICANTLY, UH, TO MAKE IT LAST FOR A WHILE. BUT AGAIN, BEATING A DEAD HORSE, I'M, I'M FINE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. I, I WAS ONE OF THE ONES PEOPLE, BECAUSE I WAS ASKED SEVERAL TIMES WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING, HOW CAN WE GET MORE REPRESENTATION? HOW CAN WE BE PART OF THE PROCESS? HOW CAN WE GET REPRE REPRESENTATION ON CITY COUNCIL AND THESE SORTS OF THINGS. SO, UM, THERE, WELL, YEAH, BUT THEY, THEY HAVE OTHER AREAS TOO, LIKE, UM, GETTING PART OF ZBA, WHICH WE ONLY HAD ONE APPLICANT FOR, AND GOING UNOPPOSED WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER POOL. I MEAN, THERE'S, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT THE SAME THOUGH, RIGHT? THERE'S PLENTY OF, THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES. IT'S NOT THE SAME. OKAY. UM, I WOULD SAY THEN, UH, IF, UH, OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS AGREE, IF YOU CAN, ZACH, YOU CAN COME UP WITH, UH, A WAY TO ADDRESS THE AT LARGE POSITION BY AN ORDINANCE, UH, FOR OUR NEXT, UH, EITHER SPECIAL OR REGULAR MEETING THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THIS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE FULL RESTRICT REDISTRICTING AT THIS POINT, IS WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE CONSENSUS OF THIS COUNCIL [01:35:01] AND DELAY THIS TIME FOR 2025. OKAY. BYRON, YOU WANNA MAKE A POINT. SO BY CHARTER, IF YOU DO LIKE THAT, IF YOU'D LIKE FOR THAT ITEM TO BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA, UH, HAVING MADE A MOTION ESSENTIALLY FOR THAT TO BE THERE, IT NEEDS A SECOND FROM, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. A MOTION'S BEEN MADE AND SECONDED BY MR. KOPPI. UM, NO MORE DISCUSSION I DON'T THINK. ALRIGHT, Y'ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, WE'LL DO THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR DISCUSSION AND YOUR INSIGHTS, EVERYONE. I APPRECIATE IT. ITEM [BUSINESS - G] G, THE DISCUSSION REGARDING CITY COUNCIL MEETING. START TIME. I PUT THIS ON, UH, THERE HAS BEEN, UH, SOME OF THE CITIZENS HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME WISHING THAT THEY COULD GET HERE ON TIME TO DO THIS OR EVEN GET HOME TO WATCH. SO, UH, WE USED TO, UH, RECALL DOING OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AT SEVEN, I BELIEVE IS WHEN THEY STARTED. AND THEN IT MOVED TO FIVE 30 AND THEN IT ALL ENCOMPASSED AND IT KIND OF STARTED MOVING BACK. I KNOW THAT SOME FOLKS ON COUNCIL HAVE A LONG WAY TO TRAVEL AND, UH, LIKE FOR THEM TO GET HERE ON TIME TOO, BUT I'M OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS NOT TO SEVEN, BUT MAYBE SIX, SIX O'CLOCK, SIX 30 WITH THE INTEREST OF MOVING THINGS ALONG PRETTY QUICKLY AND WELL, WE ALL ABLE TO GET A CHANCE TO MAYBE HAVE A DINNER PERHAPS IF WE WANT TO GO GET SOMETHING TO EAT BEFORE WE COME HERE AT FIVE 30. SO IN 2018, UM, WE PRETTY MUCH HAD A SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING AT FIVE 30, RIGHT? FOLLOWED BY A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING AT SEVEN. AND THAT WENT ON FOR YEARS. AND THEN WE FINALLY JUST, UH, SAID, WELL, WE'LL JUST DO A REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING STARTING AT FIVE 30. HOPEFULLY WE GET EVERYTHING DONE AND WE'RE NOT HERE TILL MIDNIGHT. UH, I WILL SAY THAT SOME MEETINGS STARTING THEM LATER, UM, PEOPLE WILL NOT WATCH THEM IN PAST 10 O'CLOCK ANYWAYS. SO, UM, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, AGAIN, I HAVEN'T, I HAVE UNTIL MAY, SO, UM, BUT I, THAT'S THE HISTORY, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE USED TO BE IN COUNCIL MEETINGS FROM FIVE 30 UNTIL 11, 11 30 AT NIGHT. UM, AND THAT'S A LONG EVENING TOO. AND IF THE FIVE 30 MEETING ENDED AT SIX O'CLOCK, YOU HAD TO SIT AROUND UNTIL SEVEN O'CLOCK BEFORE YOU COULD START THE OTHER ONE BECAUSE THERE WAS THIS TIME THAT WAS SET. AND IF WE DO IT AT SIX O'CLOCK, YOU'RE GONNA END UP HAVING SPECIAL MEETINGS AT FIVE O'CLOCK. 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET EVERYTHING DONE THAT YOU WANNA HAVE ON YOUR AGENDA. WHY DON'T YOU JUST LEAVE IT AT FIVE 30 AND BE DONE WITH IT? NO, I THINK THE, I THINK THE CONCERN FROM CITIZENS IS REAL. I MEAN, THE FACT THAT THE FACT THAT IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO GET HERE BY FIVE 30 IF THEY WANT TO HAVE CITIZENS COMMENTS, THAT'S TOUGH. AND THAT'S TOUGH FOR ME DRIVING IN, IF I'M DOWNTOWN AND GETTING OUT HERE IN TIME TO BE OUT HERE IN TIME, I HAVE TO LEAVE MY OFFICE BY THREE 30 SO THAT I MAKE IT OUT HERE IN TIME FOR THIS MEETING. AND THEN ALSO I DON'T HAVE DINNER, RIGHT? SO I ACTUALLY THINK IT SHOULD BE MOVED BACK. I, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT AS A COUNCIL, SO WE DON'T SIT THERE AND JUST YAP, YAP, YAP AND NO MOTIONS ARE MADE. WE'VE, WE'VE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SPED THAT UP. UM, BECAUSE THE LAST COUPLE MEETINGS WE'VE BEEN DONE BY EIGHT O'CLOCK. WE'VE HAD SOME LONG MEETINGS, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN MORE EFFICIENT OVERALL AS A COUNCIL. UM, AND I, I HATED THIS 6, 5, 30 SPECIAL MEETING THAT WE CALLED. WE HAVEN'T HAD TO HAVE. WELL, OUTSIDE OF BASICALLY HIRING A NEW CITY MANAGER THIS YEAR AND GOING THROUGH ALL THAT, WE HAVEN'T HAD TO HAVE A LOT OF SPECIAL CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. BUT IF WE EVER FORESEE AN AGENDA WHERE WE NEED TO, WE ALWAYS THAT HA HAVE THAT AS OUR DISPOSAL SHOULD THAT COME UP IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ON THAT DAY. THAT COULD BE ON THE NEXT WEEK OR THE WEEK AFTER. IT'S NOT THE WORST THING IN THE WORLD. I, I'M, I'M FOR, I'M MORE FOR SIX 30 OR SEVEN. UM, I SHARE THE CONCERNS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CANNOT HAS MENTIONED. IT'S ALSO SAME FOR ME. I HAD TO LEAVE MY OFFICE AT THREE O'CLOCK TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT HOME BY FOUR 30, GET CHANGED, SHOW UP HERE AT FIVE 15, AT LEAST A FEW MINUTES AND SOMETIMES I CUT IT CLOSE. SO, UM, CONSIDERING ALL THAT, I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THAT, UH, LITTLE BIT OF MORE MARGIN TO SHOW UP HERE. UM, I'M OPEN TO SIX. I'M OPEN TO SIX 30. I, THAT WILL ALSO GIVE THE SAME, UH, PRIVILEGE TO ALL OUR RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO BE HERE FOR THE MEETING, WHO WANT TO BE PART OF THAT. UM, EVEN IF IT'S WATCHING ONLINE, I HOPE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING ONLINE. AND SO YEAH, I, IT IT WOULD BE MORE CONVENIENT. NO, SOME OF US DO ASK QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK, UH, WITH THE CURRENT TIMELINE, WE ARE STILL GETTING IT DONE PRETTY SOON. SO IT SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM. I, I SUPPORT THE, EITHER THE SIX OR THE SIX 30. UH, AND LET ME JUST FURTHER ADD ONE COMMENT. MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE HERE ARE STAFF. SO I AM AWARE THAT STAFF IS HERE AND THEY CONTINUE TO STAY HERE TO SUPPORT THIS. [01:40:01] BUT THE ONE PIECE IS, THIS IS ONE MEETING, POTENTIALLY TWO IN A MONTH, WHERE OUR CITIZENS THAT ARE TAX PAYING CITIZENS CAN COME AND SPEAK THEIR MIND AND LIMITING IT TO A TIME PERIOD, WHICH MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO ME, IS IT'S DISINGENUOUS ONE. AND IF WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR STAFF, I'M SURE WE HAVE A AMAZING CITY MANAGER THAT CAN MAKE SURE THAT STAFF GETS, UH, TAKEN CARE OF. AND HOW THE HOURS SPENT, UH, OUT OF, OUT OF THIS TIME PERIOD. SEVEN FEELS A BIT LATE TO ME. I'M FINE MOVING IT BACK 6, 6 30. UM, I MEAN, I HAVE, I'VE, UH, WE, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, I HAVEN'T SEEN A FLOOD OF CITIZENS COME IN, MEN LATER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS THAT THEY'VE MISSED THE ITEMS THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN OR THEY WOULDN'T COME REGARDLESS. DIDN'T WE AT ONE POINT TALK ABOUT ALLOWING CITIZENS' COMMENTS AT DIFFERENT POINTS THROUGH THE MEETING? DIDN'T WE HAVE THAT? SO THE LEGISLATION THAT REQUIRES YOU TO ALLOW CITIZENS' COMMENTS GIVES YOU THE OPTION TO HAVE IT EITHER BEFORE THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA OR AT THE TIME OF THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA. SO, UH, AS IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, WE HAVE THE CITIZENS' COMMENTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA AND REALLY WE OPEN IT UP TO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA OR JUST ANYTHING THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO COME TALK ABOUT. UM, BUT THE LAW LETS YOU ACTUALLY, UM, LIMIT THOSE CONVER THOSE DISCUSSIONS TO AGENDA ITEMS, WHICH COULD BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AGENDA. IT COULD BE YOU COULD, YOU COULD CALL FOR CITIZEN'S COMMENTS BEFORE EACH AGENDA ITEM. WELL, THAT WOULD BE, YOU COULDN'T HAVE, WELL YOU COULDN'T HAVE, YOU COULDN'T HAVE A CITIZEN'S COMMENTS AGENDA ITEM SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE. WELL, SO THE LAW LETS YOU EITHER SAY BEFORE OR AT THE TIME OF THE ITEM. SO IT GETS A LITTLE SO THAT IF THEY WANTED TO GIVE COMMENTS ABOUT OTHER THINGS THAT WERE ON THE AGENDA, THEY COULD DO THAT BEFORE THAT HAPPENED, RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. I MEAN, I WILL PLAY DEVIL'S ADVOCATE WITH YOU AND SAY THAT IT'S ONLY ONCE A MONTH. I, YOU KNOW, YOU SAID IT'S ONLY ONCE A MONTH THAT OUR STAFF HAS TO BE HERE. IT'S ONLY ONCE A MONTH THAT THE CITIZENS HAVE TO BE HERE TOO. SO I MEAN, IF, IF SOMETHING'S REALLY BURNING TO A CITIZEN, I'M, I THINK THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN TO BE HERE AT FIVE 30 ONCE A MONTH. I WOULD JUST SAY, I THINK TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT, MARIELLA, KATIE SURVEYED AREA CITIES, I THINK THAT DID GET TO YOU, RIGHT? NO, NO. OH MY GOSH. SO IT'S OKAY. YOU CAN'T TELL US, TELL US WHAT IT WAS. UH, A LARGE NUMBER OF CITIES ACTUALLY HOLD MULTIPLE MEETINGS PER MONTH IS JUST A GENERAL RULE OF THUMB. MULTIPLE MEETINGS, THOSE TWO A MONTH, RIGHT? WHETHER THAT FIRST MEETING IS A WORKSHOP, WHICH MEANS THAT THAT NEXT MEETING CAN MOVE ON, MOVE ALONG A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENTLY. 'CAUSE WHILE WE'VE AT LEAST GOT SOME CONTACTS, UH, OR JUST IT'S TWO MEETINGS A MONTH, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF BUSINESS AT HAND. AND ALSO TO HELP ENSURE THAT THAT ONE MEETING A MONTH, ALTHOUGH IT STARTS AT SEVEN, DOESN'T GO TILL MIDNIGHT. SO JUST OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER. MM-HMM. , YEAH. I THINK THAT MY SUGGESTION IS TO, AT ONE POINT, LET'S JUST MAKE ONE CHANGE AND SEE IF WE CAN MOVE THE TIME, START TIME OF THE MEETING OUT, UM, AND STILL HAVE THE CITIZEN'S COMMENTS UP FRONT BECAUSE, UH, MEAN THE EFFICIENCY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THERE ARE MEETINGS ARE BECOMING MORE EFFICIENT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE CHALLENGED WITH HAVING CITIZENS COMMENTS ON EVERY AGENDA ITEM THROUGH THROUGHOUT THE MEETING. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT EFFICIENCY IS AIDED BY US NOT HAVING A WHOLE LOT OF CONTROVERSIAL TOPICS RECENTLY TOO. JUST SOMETHING TO PUT OUT THERE. IF WE END UP WITH A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT, UM, WE ARGUE ABOUT, IT'S GONNA TAKE MUCH LONGER. WELL, WE COULD ALSO FOLLOW, UM, THE ROBERTS RULES A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND, AND LIMIT SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS AND LIMIT THE COMMENTS TO A COMMENT, NOT A COMMENT, THEN A COMMENT ON A COMMENT. COMMENT ON A COMMENT. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE UP HERE SORT OF JUST MAKING COMMENTS WHEN WE WANT TO BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD BEFORE AND REITERATING THINGS. SO I THINK WE COULD BE EVEN MORE EFFICIENT AS A COUNCIL AS WELL. BUT I I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE TWO MEETINGS. YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE ONE AS, AS KATIE DOES, RIGHT? UM, BUT AGAIN, I HAVE, I HAVE A LOT OF TIME. SO I HAVE, UH, I GUESS TWO LEGAL COMMENTS RELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION. ONE IS THAT THE CURRENT REGULAR MEETING DATE AND TIME IS SET BY ORDINANCE. SO THIS IS A DISCUSSION WHERE IF YOU ACTUALLY DO WANT TO IMPLEMENT THE CHANGE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD COME TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING AT THE EARLIEST, UH, TO MAKE THAT CHANGE. UH, THAT BEING SAID, IF YOU HAVE TWO MEETINGS A MONTH THAT DOES NOT CHANGE THE CHARTER WITH THREE CONSECUTIVE REGULAR MEETING ABSENCES, UH, RESULTING IN AN AUTOMATIC, UM, VACANCY MM-HMM. , UH, SO THAT DOES CREATE A, UH, HIGHER LIKELIHOOD THAT THAT MAY OCCUR TO SOMEONE. THAT'S A GOOD POINT. THOSE ONES THAT WE CONSTANTLY EXCUSE . YEAH. YES, YOU DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXCUSE THOSE. UM, [01:45:01] BUT, UH, BUT THAT DOES MEAN IF THERE'S MORE FREQUENT REGULAR MEETINGS, THERE'S MORE FREQUENT OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABSENT. WELL, I THINK IF WE J MAKE A CHANGE, WE DON'T IMPLEMENT TILL JANUARY. AND THAT GIVES EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET USED TO THE FACT. BUT I, I HONESTLY THINK 30 MINUTES MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IN A LOT OF CASES, JUST 30 MINUTES, SIX O'CLOCK. 'CAUSE EVERYBODY I KNOW THAT MARIELLE AND THEM ARE WORKING UP TILL FIVE O'CLOCK AND THEN THEY'RE RUSHING DOWN HERE TO GET EVERYTHING PREPARED FOR THE MEETING AND EVERYTHING. AND PROBABLY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A SNACK OR A CUP OF COFFEE OR SOMETHING. I KNOW, PROBABLY WE WOULD TOO. YOU KNOW, GET OUR, A LOT OF US COME IN HERE KIND OF JUST SETTING UP AT THE LAST MINUTE AND 30 MINUTES MAKES A BIG, BIG DIFFERENCE, I THINK. AND, UH, IF YOU GONNA CHANGE IT, I WOULD CHANGE IT TO SIX 30. OKAY. WELL THAT'S, AND TELL ME WHY. BECAUSE THAT WOULD GIVE MORE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY GET BACK, GET HOME FROM WORK AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND COME IN. OKAY, WELL AGAIN, IT'S UP TO US AND, UH, WE WANNA MAKE A CHANGE. LET'S MAKE IT TO BE ONE THAT WORKS, YOU KNOW? YEAH. THERE'S NO BEST ANSWER. I KNOW THAT THE RE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, THIS EDCA, BA AND B BOTH MEET AT SIX O'CLOCK. UH, SIX O'CLOCK TENDS TO WORK PRETTY WELL. THE AGENDAS ARE NOT AS TIGHT AS OUR CITY COUNCIL, AND THERE'S USUALLY NOT AS MUCH DISCUSSION AS WE HAVE ON OUR CITY COUNCIL. UM, AGAIN, I HAVE A LOT OF TIME, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. I THINK YOU ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT MS. BARRON HAS CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE COMMITMENTS. UH, WE ALL HAVE , WE HAVE, WE ALL, WE ALL HAVE HAS CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, WELL, SHE HAS THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A RESPONSIBILITY RIGHT? TO, TO THE, TO TAKE CARE OF THE KIDS AND, AND, UH, SORT OF A HARDSHIP ON HER IF WE START MOVING THINGS TO SEVEN, UH, AND FINISHING UP AT 10 OR 11 OR 1130. SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A RIGHT OR WRONG ANSWER, BUT I'LL SUPPORT WHATEVER THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO. A LOT OF OUR CITY, OUR CITY TEAM HERE ACTUALLY HAS CHILDREN TOO, SO I I GET THAT AS WELL. SO, UM, HOW ABOUT SIX 15? SO CAN, CAN CAN GET TO LIVE. I WONDERED. WELL, CAN WE, UM, UH, DO I SUGGEST MAYBE IF WE, IF WE'RE REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT THIS, UH, I WOULD ENTERTAIN PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA NEXT, NEXT MONTH, AND WE'LL CALL FOR A, A VOTE OR A DISCUSSION AND A VOTE. CAN, CAN WE DO THAT? LET'S JUST, LET'S CAN YOU PREPARE, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE INSTRUCT STAFF TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE OF CHANGING THE MEETING TIME TO 6:00 PM SECOND MOTIONS HAS BEEN MADE BY MR. OPPI TO CHANGE TO 6:00 PM SECONDED BY MR. KAR TO BE ON THE, UH, NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. SORRY ABOUT THAT POINT OF THE DISCUSSION IS DISCUSSION. WE CAN DO IT INCREMENTALLY AND IF WE FEEL LIKE WE NEED MORE AFTER, AFTER A COUPLE MONTHS OF IT THAT WE CAN EXTEND MORE, LET'S DO IT INCREMENTALLY. AND THAT WOULD IT BE NICE IS WE COULD PUT OUT, UM, NICE BULLETINS TO OUR, OUR, UM, OUR CITIZENS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE'VE INCREASED OUR, THAT WE'VE, WE'VE STARTED JUST A BIT LATER SO THEY CAN COME OUT. WE'D ENJOY TO HAVE THEIR COMMENTS HERE. MAYBE WE GET MORE PEOPLE TO LEARN ABOUT THE SURVEYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND AS YOUR MAYOR, I, I WILL, UH, TRY TO MOVE IT ALONG AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TOO AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE I'LL SHUT YOU DOWN. HOW ABOUT THAT? OKAY. WE DONE? NO, UH, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. MOTION CARRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. KNAPE. OKAY, UH, WE'RE [EXECUTIVE SESSION] GOING TO GO TO ITEM NUMBER 11, EXECUTIVE SESSION. A CLOSED SESSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION FIVE FIVE, ONES 0.07, ONE OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, CHAPTER 5 5, 1 OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE CONSULTATION WITH THE ATTORNEY. THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY MAY NOT, UH, MAY NOT CONDUCT A PRIVATE CONSULTATION WITH ITS ATTORNEY, EXCEPT WHEN THE GOVERNMENTAL PARTY'S BODY SEEKS THE ADVICE OF ITS ATTORNEY ABOUT A PENDING CONTEMPLATED LITIGATION OR BE A SETTLEMENT OFFER, OR TO A MATTER IN WHICH THE DUTY OF THE ATTORNEY TO THE GOVERNMENTAL BODY UNDER THE TEXAS DISCIPLINARY RULES OR PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT OF STATE BAR OF TEXAS, OR CLEARLY CONFLICTS WITH CHAPTER 5 5, 1 OF THE GOVERNMENT CODE. AND THEREFORE WE WILL DO I NEED TO READ THE REST OF THIS TOO. AND THEN THE LETTER OF AGREEMENT FROM HORTON TO THE CITY NOT TO REMOVE 42 ACRE HUNT ROAD PROPERTY FROM THE ETJ DRAFT RESOLUTION CONSENTING TO THE ADDITION OF THE HUNT ROAD PROPERTY TO MUD 2 2 2 CONDITIONED MUD, TWO TWO TWO'S APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED AND RESTATED SECOND AMENDMENT DRAFT RESOLUTION CONSENTING TO THE CREATION OF MUD TWO 70 OVER HORTON'S ALLEN TRACK CONDITION MUD'S TWO TWO TWO'S APPROVAL OF THE AMENDED AND RESTATED SECOND AMENDMENT AMENDED AND RESTATED. SECOND AMENDMENT TO UTILITY AGREEMENT. SUBJECT TO TERMINATION. IF THE CITY CHALLENGES THE ALLEN TRACK DISCHARGE PERMIT, [01:50:02] MAYOR, I MOVE COUNSEL, ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION IN COMPLIANCE WITH, UH, ACCORDANCES WITH SECTION 5 5 1 0 7, 1 OF THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT. THANK YOU. SECOND MOTION MADE BY MR. KBI, SECOND BY MR. POOLE. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO EX WHAT'S THAT, SIR? OH YEAH, I'M MAD. I'M VOTING, I'M DOING THAT. OH, YES. OH, ALL IN FAVOR. THANK YOU. AYE. ALL RIGHT. NO OPPOSED. NA. ALL RIGHT. EVAN, I DO, WE MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON OCTOBER 15TH AT 7 21. ONE TWO. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA CALL OURSELVES BACK TO ORDER AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION AND OCTOBER 15TH AT 7 41. AND, UM, [ACTION FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION] I'LL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM 12. UH, LETTER A. MAY I MOVE COUNSEL, APPROVE. UH, ALL ITEMS FROM SECTION 12 ITEM A PENDING LEGAL REVIEW. SECOND MOTION BEEN MADE BY MR. KNAPE AND HAS BEEN SECONDED. MR. KAR, ANY DISCUSSION ON THOSE ITEMS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? AND THE MOTION CARRIES. [CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO ABSENCES] OKAY. ITEM 13, CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO ABSENCES IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 3.10 D OF THE CITY SHORE HOME CHARTER. PAST ABSENCES DUE TO SICKNESS MAY BE EXCUSED AND LEAVES OF ABSENCE FOR FUTURE ABSENCES MAY BE GRANTED. ANY ACTION TO EXCUSE A PAST ABSENT IS DEEMED TO INCLUDE A FINDING THAT THE ABSENCE WAS DUE TO SICKNESS UNLESS THE ACTION INDICATES OTHERWISE. UH, MAYOR, I'M GONNA BE ABSENT, UH, ON NOVEMBER THE 19TH AS I WILL BE IN GERMANY FOR WORK. NINE. ALRIGHT, MAYOR, I MOVE, WE APPROVE COUNCIL MEMBER KPI'S ABSENCE ON NOVEMBER THE 19TH. OKAY. SECOND. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY MS. BARON, SECONDED BY MR. POOLE. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. ENJOY YOURSELF, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE AN ABSENCE? ? NO. . MAYOR, I MOVE. ADJOURN. ALRIGHT. UH, MOTION'S BEEN MADE TO ADJOURN BY MR. MR. POOL, SECONDED BY MR. KAR. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? I FORGOT TO SAY. DISCUSSION. ALRIGHT, WE'RE ADJOURNED ON OCTOBER THE 15TH AT 7:43 PM THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU AT HOME FOR WATCHING AND, UM, PLEASE LET US KNOW HOW WE CAN HELP YOU, MR. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.