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ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING. 
          IF I 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
CAN ASK, UH, THE PUBLIC TO BE SEATED. 
          WE WILL GO AHEAD AND, UH, BEGIN WITH OUR, UM, REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING, UM, WHICH IS DELAYED ONE WEEK, UH, AS A RESULT OF THE STORM, BUT WE WILL BE BEGIN ON JANUARY 23RD, 2024 AT 5:30 PM WE DO HAVE A QUORUM OF COUNCIL PRESENT. 
          IN FACT, UM, I'M, WE'RE, WE'RE ALL HERE. 
          AND, UH, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO TONIGHT'S MEETING. 
          UH, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD INVITE, UH, MR. PAUL CARTWRIGHT, A FULL CHURCH OF CHRIST TO COME AND LEAD US IN OUR INVOCATION. 
          UH, APPRECIATE YOU AND THE WORK CHURCH CHRIST DOES IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, IF YOU ALL WOULD STAND AND, UH, WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH THE PLEDGES. 
          PRAISE GOD. 
          THANK YOU FOR TODAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER, THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          FATHER, SO MUCH RISE. 
          THANK FATHER FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          THANK YOU, PAUL. 
          IF YOU WOULD JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE TO THE US FLAG PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, AND THE TEXAS HONOR, THE TEXAS FLAG OF WHETHER TO TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD. 
          ONE . 
          YOU MAY BE SEATED. 
          THIS TIME. 
          WE'LL TAKE CITIZENS' 
          [CITIZENS COMMENTS]
COMMENTS. 
          UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR CITIZENS TO SPEAK TO COUNSEL RELATING TO AGENDA AND NON-AG AGENDA ITEMS. SPEAKERS ARE ADVISED THAT COMMENTS CANNOT BE RECEIVED ON MATTERS, WHICH ARE SUBJECT OF A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          ONCE THAT HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED, SPEAKERS ARE REQUIRED TO REGISTER IN ADVANCE OF MUST LIMIT, BUT THEIR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES, WE WOULD ASK. 
          SO ASK THAT YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE CITY SECRETARY. 
          UM, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD INVITE MR. DON ELDER. 
          GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND MAYOR PROTE AND CITY COUNCIL. 
          IT'S PLEASURE FOR ME TO BE HERE. 
          UH, Y'ALL DID A GREAT THING IN, IN THIS FACILITY THAT YOU JUST RECENTLY GOTTEN INTO, AND IT'S A, A, A BIG, UH, STEP, BUT YOU, YOU MADE THAT STEP. 
          WE DID IT IN KATY, WHERE I WAS MAYOR, UH, ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO TOO. 
          SO, UH, WE WERE CROWDED, WE WERE NEARLY CUBICLES, AND, UH, WE DECIDED WE NEEDED TO GET OUR PEOPLE OUT THERE. 
          AND SO WE DID. 
          I'M HERE JUST TO THANK YOU AS A, AS A, UH, PERSON, A CONSULTANT FOR PURCH, UH, PCA PURCHASING COOPERATIVE OF AMERICA. 
          WE DO ALL KINDS OF, UH, PURCHASE CO-OP, UH, CONTRACTS, AND WE DO 'EM IN, IN CITIES, SCHOOLS, UH, COUNTIES, UH, UNIVERSITIES, COLLEGES, 5 0 1 THREES, PRIVATE SCHOOLS, CHARTER SCHOOLS, AND EVEN IN CHURCHES. 
          SO, UH, WE JUST APPRECIATE Y'ALL JOINING AND, UH, IF WE CAN HELP YOU WITH ANYTHING, WE'LL BE GLAD TO DO THAT. 
          UH, I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS, SO, UH, IT'S, UH, BEEN VERY, UH, ENLIGHTENING AND YOU LEARN A LOT. 
          SO IT'S, UH, GOOD TO BE HERE WITH YOU TONIGHT. 
          AND, UH, WE THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, DON. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          MR. MON RIDGE, I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON, UH, THE TREE NEXT TO THE BEACH. 
          CAN WE HOLD TILL THE ITEM, UH, THAT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION, MAYOR. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'LL HOLD TILL THE ITEM, UM, UH, JUST CONFIRMING, IT LOOKS LIKE MR. CLIFFORD POSTED YES, AND THEN MARKED IT OUT. 
          JUST MAKE SURE YOU DON'T WANNA SPEAK. 
          ARE WE GOOD? OKAY. 
          UM, MOVING ON 
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TO MS. ANA ERLAND. 
          GOOD EVENING MAYOR. 
          UM, WONDERFUL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE STAFF FOR DOING SUCH A GOOD JOB WITH THE CITY OF RE. 
          THAT'S ALL I WANNA SAY. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I KNOW YOUR JOB CAN BE THANKLESS AT TIMES, BUT YOU REPRESENT US WELL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. K CALL. 
          GOOD EVENING, UH, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. 
          UH, MY NAME IS KAY COLLICK. 
          I LIVE AT 27 7 0 2 ROCKY CREEK COURT, UH, IN SHORE. 
          UH, I NOTICED ON CONSENT ITEM K, THERE WAS NOTHING, UH, IN THE ONLINE PACKET ABOUT THAT. 
          AND ASSUMING IT STAYS ON THE AGENDA AND Y'ALL DON'T SKIP OVER IT FOR WHATEVER REASON, I WAS JUST HOPING WHEN YOU GET TO THAT ITEM, UH, MAYBE YOU COULD SHARE WITH THOSE OF US HERE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT ITEM IS ABOUT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MS. GAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UM, BEFORE THAT IS ALL WHO SIGNED UP FOR, UH, CITIZENS' COMMENTS. 
          HOWEVER, I DO HAVE A PROCLAMATION I'D LIKE TO READ, UH, AND A PRESENTATION, UH, TO FOLLOW FORT BEND COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S COMMUNITY AWARENESS TEAM, NATIONAL HUMAN TRAFFICKING PREVENTION MONTH PROCLAMATION, WHEREAS HUMAN TRAFFICKING IS A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE AND A CRIME THAT EXPLOITS THE MOST VULNERABLE AMONG US AND WEAKNESS THE HEALTH AND WELLBEING OF, OF INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES, AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS GENERATIONS. 
          WHEREAS HUMAN TRAFFICKING IS THE RECRUITMENT, TRANSPORTATION TRANSFER, HARBORING OR RECEIPT OF PEOPLE THROUGH FORCE FRAUD OR COERCION TO EXPLOIT THEM FOR PROFIT. 
          WHEREAS AN ESTIMATED 27.6 MILLION PEOPLE ARE SUBJECTED SUBJECT TO HUMAN TRAFFICKING GLOBALLY, INCLUDING CASES OF HUMAN TRAFFICKING REPORTED IN EVERY US STATE AND TERRITORY. 
          WHEREAS HUMAN TRAFFICKING CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE, BUT SPECIFIC POPULATIONS ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY AT RISK, INCLUDING PEOPLE AFFECTED BY ABUSE, VIOLENCE, POVERTY, UNSTABLE LIVING CONDITIONS, SOCIAL DISCONNECTION OR DISCRIMINATION. 
          WHEREAS PEOPLE CAN BE TRAFFICKED IN PERSON AND ONLINE IN INDUSTRIES SUCH AS RESTAURANTS, DOMESTIC WORK, CONSTRUCTION, AGRICULTURE, AND FACTORIES, AND BY STRANGERS OR SOMEONE THEY KNOW, INCLUDING EMPLOYERS, PARTNERS, AND FAMILY MEMBERS. 
          WHEREAS HUMAN TRAFFICKING CAN BE PREVENTED BY BUILDING INDIVIDUAL COMMUNITY AND SOCIAL UNDERSTANDING AND RESIL RESILIENCE, REDU REDUCING SOCIAL INEQUITIES, AND ADDRESSING THE CONDITION THAT CONTRIBUTE TO EXPLOITATION. 
          WHEREAS THE FORT BEND COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY HUMAN TRAFFICKING COMMUNITY AWARENESS TEAM HAS A MISSION TO BUILD AWARENESS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY ON HOW THEY RECOGNIZE, REPORT, AND PREVENT HUMAN TRAFFICK. 
          WHEREAS A SUCCESSFUL RESPONSE TO HUMAN TRAFFICKING REQUIRES A COORDINATED COMMUNITY-WIDE EFFORT, WHEREAS PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN, HAVE EXPERIENCED HUMAN TRAFFICKING HAVE RELEVANT PERSPECTIVES AND EXPERTISE AND WILL ENGAGE IN THE COLLABORATE, COLLABORATE WITH THEM TO DEVELOP AND STRENGTHEN TRAFFICKING RELATED SERVICE PROGRAMS, WHEREAS EVERY INDIVIDUAL FAMILY, COMMUNITY, AND ORGANIZATION CONTRIBUTE TO ENHANCING HUMAN TRAFFICKING AWARENESS, PREVENTION, AND RESPONSE. 
          THEREFORE, I, AARON GROFF, AS THE MAYOR OF DU HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF JANUARY, 2024 AS HUMAN TRAFFICKING PREVENTION MONTH REAFFIRMING OUR COMMITMENT TO INCREASE AWARENESS, EDUCATION AND HUMAN TRAFFICKING, AND MAKE RESOURCES AVAILABLE TO ASSIST INDIVIDUALS AND COMMUNITIES IMPACTED BY HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND BUILD DIVERSE PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS TO SUPPORT A MORE COMPREHENSIVE RESPONSE TO PREVENT AND RESPOND TO HUMAN TRAFFICKING. 
          I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO SPEAK UP ANYTIME YOU SEE ANYTHING OUTTA PLACE. 
          AND I WANT TO THANK MS. RON KANDAL FOR HER EFFORTS AND ADVOCACY THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY. 
          MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PROCLAMATION. 
          I ACTUALLY CHAIR THE FORT BEND COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S HUMAN TRAFFICKING TEAM. 
          BACK IN 2016, THERE WAS A STUDY THAT WAS DONE BY THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AND IT FOUND THAT IN 2016, IN THE STATE OF TEXAS ALONE, 79,000 CHILDREN WERE BEING SEX TRAFFICKED. 
          OF COURSE, TODAY, SEVERAL YEARS LATER, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER STANDS, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THAT NUMBER HAS NOT DECREASED. 
          SO, WHAT WE FIND IN NATIONAL HUMAN TRAFFICKING AWARENESS MONTH, THERE'S SO MANY EVENTS IN JANUARY, I WANTED TO FIND A WAY TO BRING RE REMEMBRANCE TO SURVIVORS OF SEX TRAFFICKING FEBRUARY THROUGH DECEMBER. 
          SO I HAVE SOMETHING FOR THE CITY. 
          IT IS A BLUE BANK. 
          BLUE IS THE COLOR OF NATIONAL HUMAN TRAFFICKING AWARENESS MONTH, AND THERE IS A QR CODE THAT IS TO THE FACEBOOK GROUP, OUR VOICE IN TEXAS THAT TALKS ABOUT HUMAN TRAFFICKING, UM, PARTICULARLY IN FORT BEND COUNTY AND THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE TO CHANGE THOSE LAWS. 
          THANK YOU. 
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WE WILL LEAVE THAT THERE AND DISPLAY IT IN THE LOBBIES FOR OTHERS TO GET, UH, INFORMATION AND UTILIZE THAT QR CODE. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, MOVING ON WITH TONIGHT'S 
          [CITY MANAGERS REPORT]
AGENDA. 
          CITY MANAGER'S REPORT BRIEFINGS OR UPDATES MAY BE PROVIDED REGARDING CITY SERVICES, ADMINISTRATIVE PERSONNEL MATTERS, REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT, INFRASTRUCTURE, EVENTS, REGULATIONS, COMMUNITY, AND INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATION ISSUES, MR. HARPER. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNSEL, UH, TO BEGIN WITH AND DISCUSSING THE CHANGES IN VARIOUS STAFF MEMBERS. 
          UH, WE DO HAVE ONE OF THOSE HERE TONIGHT. 
          UH, WE HAVE A NEW HIRE, MS. JULIE WATTS. 
          OH, I THOUGHT SHE CAME. 
          I, OH, I SAW HER IN THE LOBBY. 
          WELL, SCRATCH THAT. 
          UM, SHE, UH, JULIE CAME TO US, UH, FROM A LONG WAYS OFF. 
          SHE COMES FROM THE CITY OF SIMONTON AND, UH, SHE'S JOINED THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AS A FINANCE SPECIALIST TOO. 
          WE DO HAVE A PROMOTION. 
          UM, MS. CORY GFA HAS BEEN PROMOTED, UM, TO THE ACCOUNTANT TO POSITION WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND THEN WE DO HAVE, UH, ONE RESIGNATION, A DEPARTURE. 
          UH, JEREMIAH KIRK HAS RESIGNED FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND THAT WAS EFFECTIVE JANUARY 19TH OF THIS YEAR. 
          MOVING ON TO PROJECT UPDATE, WHICH AGAIN WILL BE ON THE CITY MANAGER REPORT UNTIL COMPLETION, UH, FOR THE CITY OF SHORE WATER PLANT NUMBER TWO. 
          UH, THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING OCCURRED BETWEEN CITY STAFF, THE CONTRACTOR AND DESIGN TEAM ON DECEMBER 20TH, 2023. 
          WE THEN HAD A COORDINATION MEETING WITH THE PECAN RIDGE DEVELOPER, THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK ENGINEER AND THE ELEVATED STORAGE TANK CONTRACTOR. 
          THE WATER PLANT DESIGN ENGINEER AND WATER PLANT CONTRACTOR WAS ALSO HELD ON DECEMBER 20TH, 2023. 
          JUST YESTERDAY, WE ISSUED THE CONSTRUCTION NOTICE TO PROCEED ON THE PROJECT. 
          THE CONTRACTOR HAS BEGUN ISSUING SOME MILLS FOR REVIEW BY THE DESIGN ENGINEER. 
          CURRENTLY THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS 0% COMPLETE, AND TO DATE, WE HAVE EXPENDED $0. 
          WE ARE CURRENTLY, UH, MEETING MONTHLY WITH THE WATER PLANT CONTRACTOR AND THE DESIGN TEAM. 
          WE'RE ALSO HOLDING MONTHLY COORDINATION MEETINGS WITH THE WATER PLANT CONTRACTOR DESIGN TEAM, STORAGE TANK CONTRACTOR AND DESIGN TEAM, AND THE MACON RIDGE DEVELOPER. 
          SO WHILE WE'RE EXCITED THAT THAT, UH, HAS BEGUN, WE'RE WHILE WE'RE GLAD FOR RAIN, I WILL SAY NOW WE'VE ALREADY BEEN HIT WITH A RAIN DAY YESTERDAY AND TODAY AND PROBABLY TOMORROW. 
          SO, UH, BUT ANYWAYS, WE'RE EXCITED THAT THAT'S KICKED OFF AND THAT'S MOVING FORWARD FOR THE BICENTENNIAL UPDATES. 
          UH, UH, IT'S A GREAT AMOUNT OF INTERDEPARTMENTAL COORDINATION THAT'S GOING ON AND REALLY PLEASED WITH, UM, UH, A**L GUADALUPE, OUR EDC DIRECTOR FOR SPEARHEADING THAT THE EVENT PLANNING IS MOVING, UH, ALONG WELL. 
          VENDOR REGISTRATIONS HAVE BEEN STEADILY INCREASING. 
          WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE NEW VENDOR, UM, SIGNUPS JUST IN THE LAST WEEK ALONE. 
          UH, THE EVENT WILL HAVE A LARGE FAMILY FRIENDLY ACTIVITY AREA. 
          IT'LL BE COMPLETELY FREE OF COST TO THE ATTENDEES, AS WELL AS A WIDE RANGE OF FOOD OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE. 
          AND, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE MOST PROUD ABOUT IS THAT IT WILL CONCLUDE WITH A DRONE SHOW FEATURING. 
          AND I KNOW THAT THE NUMBER WILL BE SHOCKING, BUT 200 SEPARATE DRONES IN HONOR OF THE 200TH ANNIVERSARY. 
          SO WE'RE REALLY, REALLY EXCITED AND, AND ANNEL IS WORKING REALLY HARD AND, UH, THEY'RE HAVING WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT ALONG. 
          SO THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE A WONDERFUL EVENT. 
          SO AGAIN, I'M JUST KEEPING YOU ALL UPDATED. 
          UH, MARCH 23RD, SATURDAY, UH, FOUR TO 8:00 PM IS WHEN THAT WILL OCCUR. 
          SO THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THOSE ITEMS? THOSE ITEMS? CITY MANAGER ITEMS? UH, MR. MAYOR, IF I MAY, UH, I BELIEVE THE, THERE WAS AN UPDATE ON THE, UM, STATUS OF THE PROJECTS ACROSS THE BOARD THAT WAS, UH, SHARED WITH THE COUNCIL. 
          IS THERE A WAY WE CAN PUT THAT ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL IF IT'S NOT ALREADY THERE? THAT WAY THE CITIZENS CAN TAKE BENEFIT OF THAT? SURE. 
          THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, MOVING ON TO ITEM EIGHT. 
          [CONSENT ITEMS]
CONSENT ITEMS. ITEMS LISTED UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE CONSIDERED ROUTINE, ARE GENERALLY ENACTED IN ONE MOTION. 
          THE EXCEPTION OF THIS RULE IS THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER MAY REQUEST ONE OR MORE ITEMS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR A SEPARATE DISCUSSION. 
          UH, COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY ITEMS YOU WISH TO REMOVE AT THIS TIME? ITEM K, ITEM A. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE ITEMS A AND ITEM K. 
          ANY ADDITIONAL ITEMS? MAY I MOVE? COUNSEL, APPROVE CONSENT 
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ITEMS B THROUGH J. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. GAVI, A SECOND BY MR. KART TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS B THROUGH J. 
          ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THERE IS NONE. 
          ITEMS B THROUGH J ARE APPROVED. 
          ITEM 
          [CONSENT - A]
A CONSENT AND APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING HELD ON DECEMBER 19TH, 2023. 
          MR. KAR, MR. MAYOR, UH, SINCE I WAS NOT PRESENTED THE MEETING, I'D LIKE TO ABSTAIN. 
          OKAY. 
          MAY I MAKE A MOTION? WE APPROVE CONSENT ITEM A SECOND. 
          OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION ON MR. K, SECOND ON MS. KATES TO APPROVE CONSENT. 
          ITEM A. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THERE IS NONE, BUT THERE IS ONE ABSTAINED. 
          MR. DECAR. 
          ITEM ITEM 
          [CONSENT - K]
K, CONSENT AND APPROVAL, US EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY COMMISSION NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. 
          THIS HAS BEEN A MATTER OF EXECUTIVE SESSION MULTIPLE TIMES. 
          UH, I WILL LET JOSH, UH, DISCLOSE WHAT WE CAN AT THIS TIME. 
          I'M JUST COMING UP AT THIS TIME TO REMIND YOU THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BECAUSE OF THE NEGOTIATIONS, THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN OCCURRING WITH THE EEOC HAVE BEEN CONFIDENTIAL IN NATURE AND NEED TO REMAIN CONFIDENTIAL, NA IN NATURE UNTIL THEY ARE APPROVED, UH, UH, BY THE DIRECTOR OF THE EEOC. 
          AND SO IF WE HAVE ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS REGARDING THE SETTLEMENT, UH, I'D BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU GUYS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION IF, IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT AT THIS TIME. 
          SO, UM, BYRON, HELP ME OUT WITH THIS ONE, BUT AS WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING, WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT IS BEING APPROVED AND THEREFORE COULDN'T POSSIBLY APPROVE AND GIVE CONSENT. 
          WE ACTUALLY SENT IT TO YOU VIA EMAIL. 
          YEAH, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN DISTRIBUTED, UH, BEFORE THE FIRST MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          LAST WEEK. 
          LAST WEEK. 
          OH, WITH THE WEATHER. 
          OKAY. 
          HOLD ON. 
          YEAH, IF YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT REAL QUICK ON JANUARY 11TH. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GOOD, MAYOR. 
          I MOVE. 
          COUNSEL, APPROVE. 
          UH, CONSENT ITEM K, SECOND. 
          OKAY, WE HAVE MOTION ON MS. CRO SECOND BY MS. CASE TO APPROVE CONSENT. 
          ITEM K. 
          UM, ALL IN FAVOR? A. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THERE IS NONE. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          UM, WITH THAT, AS YOU HEARD, THE ATTORNEYS, WE CAN DISCLOSE MORE ONCE THE EOC APPROVES. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          UH, MOVING ON TO ITEM, 
          [BUSINESS - A]
NEW BUSINESS ITEM, A CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE AND ADOPT. 
          ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1448, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TEXAS, ORDERING A GENERAL ELECTION TO BE HELD ON SATURDAY, THE FOURTH DAY OF MAY, 2024. 
          CITY SECRETARY, HAVE ANY COMMENTS AS OUR ELECTION ADMINISTRATOR? NO, THE ONLY COMMENT IS JUST TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT WE ARE ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS. 
          UM, WE BEGAN ACCEPTING HIM ON JANUARY 17TH, AND WE'LL BE ACCEPTING THEM THROUGH FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 16TH OF 5:00 PM AND IT'S FOR MAYOR AT LARGE. 
          TWO, TWO AND THREE AND THREE, YES. 
          AND HOW DO PEOPLE SUBMIT THE APPLICATION? IS IT ONLINE OR IN PERSON? YES. 
          SO YOU CAN SUBMIT 'EM ONLINE VIA EMAIL. 
          UM, YOU CAN SUBMIT 'EM IN PERSON OR BY MAIL. 
          UH, YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE NOTARIZED AND, UH, THE PERSON THAT GIVES YOU THE OATH IS ALLOWED TO GIVE YOU THOSE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO FOR THE PUBLIC WHO MAY BE LISTENING, JUST TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THAT IS CLEAR, UM, ON THE BALLOT IS MAYOR AT LARGE DISTRICT TWO AND DISTRICT THREE POSITIONS. 
          UM, SOME OF US ARE, ARE TERM LIMITED OUT. 
          AND SO THOSE, THOSE POSITIONS ARE BEING VACATED. 
          UM, AND, UH, BUT IN ORDER TO APPLY, YOU CAN SUBMIT THAT ONLINE. 
          YOU CAN EMAIL THEM, YOU CAN MAIL THEM, YOU CAN COME IN PERSON, BUT ALL THE FORMS DO HAVE TO BE NOTARIZED CORRECTLY. 
          AND THE PERSON WHO ADMINISTERS THE THE OATH HAS TO BE ELIGIBLE TO ADMINISTER THAT OATH. 
          SO, UM, JUST IMPORTANT REMINDER. 
          SO, BUT YOU CAN COME BY AT ANY TIME, UH, DURING BUSINESS HOURS AND, UH, THERE'S NO FEE. 
          THERE IS NO FEE. 
          , MAY I MOVE? COUNSEL? APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1448. 
          I SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. KAVI, SECOND BY MR. POOLE, UH, TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2024 DASH 1448 IN ORDINANCE TO THE CITY OF STER, TEXAS, ORDERING A GENERAL ELECTION TO BE HELD ON SATURDAY, THE FOURTH DAY OF MAY, 2024. 
          ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? UH, MR. MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT, UH, CITY SECRETARY IS, UH, ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT CAN NOTE RISE AND, UH, GIVE YOU THE OATH. 
          IF YOU'RE FILING APPLICATIONS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE. 
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YEAH, CORRECT. 
          BOTH THE CITY SECRETARY AND ASSISTANT CITY SECRETARY. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THERE IS NONE. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          ITEM 
          [BUSINESS - B]
B, CONSIDERATION, POSSIBLE ACTION IMPROVEMENT AMENDMENT TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT 2022 DASH OH OH TWO FOR THE PRIMROSE PARK PROJECT. 
          TIMOTHY, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS TO AMEND THE EXISTING DESIGN CONTRACT FOR PRIMROSE PARK. 
          THE EXISTING DESIGN CONTRACT FOR PRIMROSE PARK IS, UH, FORMALLY WHAT WE ALL KNOW IS PHASE TWO, WHICH CONSISTS OF THE BALL FIELDS, UM, PARKING CONCESSION, AND RESTROOM BUILDING. 
          UM, AND ASSOCIATED COMPONENTS FOR ALL OF THAT AREA OF THE PARK. 
          PHASE THREE THAT, UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS IS FOR THE AMPHITHEATER, FOOD TRUCK, PARKING, ADDITIONAL PARKING AREA, UM, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SEPARATE PARKING LOT, UM, AND ADDITIONAL RESTROOMS. SO WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS TO, UM, THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE DESIGN AMENDMENT FOR THIS CONTRACT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN OF PHASE THREE. 
          AND JUST A REMINDER, THIS WAS PART OF OUR, UM, APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET TO PROCEED WITH, UM, FA WITH THE NEXT PHASE OF THE PROJECT. 
          PREVIOUSLY WITH THE, UH, WITH THE REASON THAT WE'RE DOING THE AMENDMENT, BECAUSE WE SIGNED THIS BEFORE WE HAD AMENDED THAT AS PART OF THIS SEQUENCE, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          MAYOR. 
          AND WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR COMPLETION ON THIS DESIGN? WE ANTICIPATE, UM, ABOUT NINE TO 12 MONTHS FOR DESIGN FOR THIS PHASE. 
          UM, SOME OF THAT TIMELINE IS DEPENDENT ON, UM, WHICH STYLE OF AMPHITHEATER WE GO WITH, IF IT HAS TO BE, UM, YOU KNOW, DIF DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN COMPONENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          SO THIS, UH, BUDGET AMOUNT, FIVE 59,388 IS ONLY FOR PHASE THREE? YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          THERE'S NOTHING FROM PHASE TWO THAT IS BEING DONE IN THESE POINTS. 
          IT'S AMENDING THE ENTIRE CONTRACT. 
          SO IT WOULD BE OKAY, YOU KNOW, A DESIGN CONTRACT ULTIMATELY IF APPROVED FOR PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE. 
          BUT THE 559,000 OR YES, 559,000 IS FOR PHASE THREE, WHICH BRINGS THE TOTAL CONTRACT TO THE 990,000. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          MAY I MOVE COUNSEL, APPROVE AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE AN AMENDMENT TO PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT 2022 DASH ZERO TWO WITH HALF HALF INCORPORATED FOR THE DESIGN SERVICES IN THE AMOUNT OF $559,388 FOR A TOTAL NOT TO EXCEED OF $990,088 FOR PRIMROSE PARK. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. I, SECOND BY MR. POOLE, UM, TO APPROVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE, UM, THE AGREEMENT NUMBER 20 20 22 DASH ZERO TWO FOR THE PRIMROSES PROJECT PARK PROJECT NOT TO EXCEED, UM, 900 AND SORRY $990,000 8,990 AND $88. 
          SORRY, I LOST IT IN MY, IN MY NOTES. 
          THERE IT IS. 
          SO 90 $990,088 FOR PRIMROSE PARK AGREEMENT WITH HALF INCORPORATED. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEING NONE? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THERE IS NONE. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          MOVING ON TO ITEM 
          [BUSINESS - C]
C, PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING A PARK AND RECREATIONAL GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND. 
          UM, I KNOW WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY HERE, BUT, BUT I WILL SAY, UM, THIS IS, UH, IN RESPONSE TO COMBINING MULTIPLE PHASES OF THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. 
          TOTAL COST COMING IN, THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT INVOLVED AND SO LOOK FORWARD TO THE PRESENTATION. 
          SO THANKS, HEATHER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LET ME ASK A QUESTION FIRST. 
          SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT'S AROUND DISCUSSION REGARDING IT WILL BE, WILL WE BE ASKED TO APPROVE SOMETHING? ALSO, I THINK WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS, UM, AS TO IF WE HAVE INTEREST IN MOVING FORWARD. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IF WE DO HAVE INTEREST, WHAT THAT BOND PACKAGE POTENTIALLY MIGHT LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE CHOOSE TO GO? SO THIS IS A DISCUSSION THAT'S CORRECT. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT A FINAL DECISION. 
          YEAH, THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT WORDINGS HERE GOING ON, SO I WASN'T SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          MY NAME IS KIMBERLY BO. 
          I'M A RESIDENT OF SHORE AND ALSO THE CO-CHAIR OF, UH, SRE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION. 
          SO TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING WITH YOU, UM, A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IF IT MOVES FORWARD. 
          HOLD ON ONE SECOND. 
          LET'S SEE HERE. 
          IT'S ON. 
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THANK YOU. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          JUST SOME EASY TECHNICAL ISSUES THERE, BUT WE'RE PUTTING A RECOMMENDATION IN FRONT OF YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, AND I WANNA THANK TIFFANY AND ERIN WHO ARE ALSO GONNA BE PRESENTING ON, UH, BEHALF OF THE CITY. 
          UM, TODAY WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THAT REC, UH, PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION PROJECT PRIORITY RANKING IS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          WE'RE GONNA TALK THROUGH THOSE PROPOSED PARK BOND PROJECTS, UM, THE POTENTIAL BOND PACKAGES, IMPACT TO THE TAX RATE, AND THEN NEXT STEPS MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM SOME OF THESE PHOTOS, UH, THE OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS AS BEING CHAIR OF SHORE PARKS AND RECS, AND NOW ALSO THE CO-CHAIR, UM, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF AWESOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT THE FUTURE OF SHORE COULD LOOK LIKE FOR OUR PARKS. 
          UM, OUR COUNCIL LIAISON, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER POOL CAN ATTEST TO EACH AND EVERY MONTH US DISCUSSING ALL OF THE PARKS THAT WE DO HAVE AND IDEAS FOR THEM. 
          UM, I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I DON'T REPRESENT JUST MYSELF TODAY. 
          I DO REPRESENT THE SEVEN MEMBERS THAT ARE VOLUNTEERS, BUT APPOINTED TO SHORE PARKS AND RECREATION. 
          AND WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS RECOMMENDATION THAT I'M GONNA PUT IN FORWARD, UH, TO YOU TODAY. 
          UM, WE LOVE OUR HOME. 
          WE LOVE SHORE. 
          AND JUST LIKE YOU, WE ARE SERVANT MINDED. 
          WE WANNA SEE RECREATIONAL EVENTS THAT BENEFIT THE ENTIRE CITY. 
          WE WANNA SEE PARKS THAT BENEFIT OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, AND WE TRY OUR BEST TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY AS WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO NOT IN AN ADDITION TO JUST HAVING FUN, UM, BUT WE REALLY DO HAVE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY IN MIND. 
          SO, AS YOU GUYS ARE AWARE, SHORE HAS GROWN, UM, VERY CRAZY IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. 
          FOR THE PAST EIGHT YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SHORE. 
          I'VE SEEN IT QUADRUPLE IN SIZE. 
          AND WE KNOW WITH THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPETING NEEDS, ALL OF WHICH ARE IMPORTANT, ALL ARE PRIORITIES, BUT ALL COST MONEY. 
          AND SO FOR US, OUR SECRET IS NO MORE. 
          WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MAKING SOME WISE DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND FOR US, THAT COMES IN THE FORM OF PARKS. 
          SO, OVER THE PAST FEW MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD, ESPECIALLY THIS FALL, THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION DID TAKE, UM, TIME TO RANK WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE. 
          AND WE HAVE MS. RAMONA RIDGE, WHO'S ALSO IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          SHE'S THE, THE CURRENT CHAIR OF PARKS AND REC. 
          BUT WE REALLY STARTED TO THINK ABOUT ALL THESE PARKS THAT WE TALK ABOUT EACH AND EVERY MEETING. 
          WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES AND WHAT WOULD WE LIKE TO COME TO YOU GUYS TODAY WITH, UM, IN TERMS OF A RECOMMENDATION. 
          SO WE ASKED ALL SEVEN MEMBERS TO RANK, UH, WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES WERE FOR THE EXISTING PARKS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. 
          AND PRIMROSES PARK WAS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, UM, COMPLETE PRIMROSE PARK ALL PHASES TO MEET EXPECTATIONS AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A BUDGET THAT CAN HELP SUPPORT THAT. 
          THE SECOND RANKING WAS IRENE STERN TO INVESTIGATE, TO EXPLORE, UM, HOW THAT COULD BE RENOVATED, PERHAPS HAVE SOME AMENITIES THAT ARE ADDED TO THAT IN LINE WITH THE, UM, MASTER PLAN THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, UM, AND THEN ALSO TALK ABOUT LAND. 
          THE THIRD RANKING WAS LAND, BECAUSE WE KNOW MORE LAND IS NOT GONNA BE CREATED, BUT TO SECURE LAND FOR FUTURE PARKS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY, UM, BE BUILT THERE. 
          UH, THE FOURTH CONSIDERATION WAS THE, UH, FIVE ACRE PARK. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS A CONCEPT THAT IF WE HAD LAND WE COULD POTENTIALLY BUILD AND THEN FRANCIS MARK PARK, UH, POTENTIALLY TURNING THAT INTO A VETERAN'S MEMORIAL. 
          BUT THESE WERE THE FIVE TOP PRIORITIES, UM, FROM THE SHORE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION OF WHAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, BUT IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THESE, OF COURSE, WE NEED THE FUNDS TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          SO WE REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY, BUT WE'D REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY'S INPUT AND WEIGH IN. 
          AND WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS AT OUR MEETING WAS TO PUT POTENTIALLY A BOND OUT FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE COMMUNITY TO VOTE ON, FOR THEM TO TELL US WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE, UM, HAPPENING HERE IN SHORE. 
          SO IT IS MY RECOMMENDATION TO Y'ALL AS I STAND HERE, TO SAY THAT SHORE PARKS AND RECREATION WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BOND PUT OUT FOR CONSIDERATION OF, UH, VOTERS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND NOW I'M GONNA GO AHEAD AND TURN THIS OVER TO TIFFANY WHO'S GONNA WALK US THROUGH WHAT THOSE PROJECTS LOOK LIKE AND WHAT, HOW THOSE PROJECTS, UM, WERE ESTIMATED AND WHAT THAT WOULD INCLUDE. 
          THANK YOU, KIMBERLY. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          TONIGHT I WILL BE PRESENTING ON THE PROPOSED PARK BOND PROJECTS THAT THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION RANKED. 
          AS KIMBERLY MENTIONED, THE PARK PRIORITY IS PRIMROSE PARK, AND TO NO SURPRISE, WAS RANKED NUMBER ONE WITH THE COMMISSION. 
          PHASE TWO OF PRIMROSE PARK CONSISTS OF FOUR YOUTH BASEBALL FIELDS, RESTROOMS AND CONCESSION BUILDING, PARKING, AND REQUIRED DETENTION. 
          HISTORICALLY, PRIMROSE PHASE TWO BUDGET HAS BEEN BASED OFF OF THE REGIONAL PARK FUND AVAILABLE FUNDS. 
          THIS PROJECT IS CURRENTLY IN DESIGN, BUT ULTIMATELY, THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH FUNDS TO BUILD PRIMROSE PHASE TWO. 
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STAFF AND HALF THE DESIGN FIRM HAVE WORKED DILIGENTLY TO FIND ALTERNATIVES AND DIFFERENT METHODS TO TRY TO BRING THIS PHASE INTO THE CONSTRUCTION BUDGET. 
          ULTIMATELY, WE WANT TO BUILD THIS PART TO BE SOMETHING THAT FULCHER IS PROUD OF. 
          PHASE THREE WILL CONSIST OF AN AMPHITHEATER, ADDITIONAL PARKING, FOOD, TRUCK AREA, RESTROOMS, WALKING TRAILS, AND A PLAYGROUND. 
          THE ESTIMATED BUDGET PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT OF $19 MILLION IS CONSIDERING CONSTRUCTION FOR ALL OF PRIMROSE PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE WITH NO OTHER FUNDING SOURCES DESIGNED FOR PRIMROSE IS BUDGETED WITHIN THE CURRENT BUDGET AND NOT INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSED BOND. 
          EACH PROJECT SHOWN HAS A PROPOSED PROJECT CONTINGENCY TO ASSIST IN COVERING THE UNKNOWNS AND THE EVER-CHANGING INFLATION. 
          WE HAVE BEEN FACED WITH IRENE STERN COMMUNITY CENTER AS A WHOLE, RANKED NUMBER TWO FOR THE PARKS COMMISSION. 
          I HAVE SPLIT IRENE STERN INTO TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS, THE RECREATION CENTER AND PARK IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THIS SLIDE REPRESENTS THE PROPOSED RECREATION CENTER CONSISTING OF OPPORTUNITIES SUCH AS A GYMNASIUM, A FITNESS ROOM, WALKING TRACK, AND LOCKER ROOMS. THE MASTER PLAN PROJECTED THIS FACILITY TO BE APPROXIMATELY 21,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE PARKS AND PATHWAYS MASTER PLAN IS A DOCUMENT THAT HELPS GUIDE THE CITY IN WHAT THE COMMUNITY DESIRES. 
          WITH A PROJECT SUCH AS A RECREATION CENTER, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO COMPLETE A PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING REPORT TO BETTER DETERMINE WHAT INDOOR RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES WE WANT TO PROVIDE AND BETTER TO FIND THE PROJECT COST. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THIS FACILITY WOULD NEED A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF STAFF TO RUN THE RECREATION CENTER AS, AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL FACILITY MAINTENANCE STAFF AND INCREASED OPERATIONAL COST. 
          CURRENTLY, SOME OF PUBLIC WORKS MAINTENANCE STAFF ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE IRENE STERN FACILITY AND WOULD NEED TO BE RELOCATED SHOULD THIS PROJECT BE APPROVED, WHICH INCREASES THE NEED FOR A PUBLIC WORKS AND PARKS OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE FACILITY. 
          THE SECOND PROJECT FOR IRENE STERN COMMUNITY CENTER IS THE IRENE STERN PARK IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. 
          THIS PROJECT CONSISTS OF WALKING TRAILS, A PLAYGROUND, SPORTS COURT, AND A PAVILION. 
          THIS PROJECT WOULD BRING THE NEEDED SPORTS COURTS TO OUR COMMUNITY, WHILE ALSO PROVIDING ADDITIONAL PLAY AREAS FOR OUR SHORE COMMUNITY. 
          THE THIRD RANKED PROJECT IS LAND ACQUISITION, WHICH WOULD BE, WHICH WOULD PROVIDE THE FUNDING FOR THE CITY TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL LAND FOR FUTURE PROJECTS. 
          THE FIVE ACRE PARK PROJECT WAS THE FOURTH RANKING PROJECT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS CONCEPTUAL, BUT DEMONSTRATES THE DESIRE TO PROVIDE MORE PARKS AND RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THIS PROJECT SUPPORTS THE PREVIOUS PROJECT, THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL CITY-OWNED LAND IN SHORE. 
          THE BUDGET SHOWN WAS DEVELOPED IN THE MASTER PLAN BASED OFF OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWN, BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE DETENTION. 
          STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THE CITY PURCHASE LAND BEFORE PROPOSING A CONCEPTUAL PARK ON A BOND. 
          FRANCIS SMART PARK WAS RANKED NUMBER FIVE BY THE COMMISSION AND PLANNED FOR A PLAZA ENVIRONMENT WITH A VETERAN'S MEMORIAL IF APPROVED. 
          THE BUDGET PRESENTED TONIGHT IS CONTINGENT ON THE SITE BEING FULLY AVAILABLE TO CONSTRUCT STAFF BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT IS A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY, BUT THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ON SITE COULD IMPACT THE PROJECT TIMELINE AND ULTIMATELY THE PROJECT BUDGET. 
          WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, ZACH, TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE REGARDING THE SECTION HOUSE. 
          UH, QUITE SIMPLY, IT'S STILL THERE. 
          UH, THERE IS AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE, UH, FROM ANDERSON SMITH WHO'S GOT THE COMMERCIAL ATTRACTIVE LAND THAT'S IMMEDIATELY EAST OF SIM STREET AND ON TO 93 IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, THAT HE WOULD THEN MOVE THE SECTION HOUSE TO HIS PROPERTY AND IT'D BE A FOCAL POINT OF HIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, WE HAVE REVIEWED THOSE PLANS. 
          WE'VE APPROVED HIS PERMITS. 
          UH, HE'S INCLUDED SOMETHING CALLED THE SECTION HOUSE SQUARE. 
          UH, BUT HE HAS NOT MOVED FORWARD ON THE PROJECT YET CITING CONSTRUCTION COSTS. 
          SO UNTIL HE STARTS CONSTRUCTION, HE CANNOT MOVE THE SECTION HOUSE OVER ACCORDING TO HIM. 
          SO THAT'S KINDA WHERE WE'RE RIGHT THERE, BUT THERE IS, THERE IS INTEREST THERE AND A PLAN. 
          THANK YOU, ZACH. 
          THIS SLIDE REPRESENTS THE PROJECT'S IN PRIORITY RANKING FROM THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION. 
          ALSO ILLUSTRATING TWO DIFFERENT TOTALS. 
          THE FIRST, INCLUDING THE IRENE STERN RECREATION CENTER AND THE SECOND WITH IRENE STERN PARK IMPROVEMENTS. 
          THE TOTAL FOR ALL PROJECTS SHOWN 
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WITH BOTH PROJECTS AT IRENE STERN WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $56 MILLION. 
          HERE WE PROPOSED A FEW DIFFERENT PACKAGES, ONE PACKAGE WITH THE TOP THREE PRIORITY RANKING PROJECTS. 
          EIGHT. 
          I'M SORRY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU JUST BACK UP TO THE PREVIOUS ONE? CERTAINLY. 
          SO THE TOTAL IS 51. 
          THE, THE TOTAL IF YOU, IF YOU CONSIDER BOTH COMPONENTS OF IRENE STERN IS 56 MILLION. 
          THE TOTAL, IF YOU, UM, IF, IF IRENE STERN WAS ONLY THE RECREATION CENTER WOULD BE 51. 
          IF YOU DID NOT CONSIDER THE RECREATION CENTER, BUT YOU DID CONSIDER THE IRENE STERN PARK IMPROVEMENTS, THEN IT WOULD BE THE 37 8. 
          OKAY, I SEE HERE WE PROPOSED A FEW DIFFERENT PACKAGES. 
          ONE PACKAGE WITH THE TOP THREE PRIORITY RANKING PROJECTS, A SEPARATE PACKAGE WITH FRANCIS SMART, AND AN ADDITIONAL PACKAGE FOR THE IRENE STERN RECREATION CENTER. 
          THESE ARE EXAMPLE PACKAGES AND ULTIMATELY CAN BE CUSTOMIZED BASED OFF OF THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL. 
          NEXT, AARON WILL SHOW THE ESTIMATED TAX IMPACT FOR EACH PROJECT, WHICH WILL ALSO ALLOW COUNSEL TO CONSIDER DIFFERENT PACKAGES. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU TONIGHT. 
          AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO HAND THIS TO, UM, OVER TO AARON, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          SO THE NEXT SLIDE GOES OVER. 
          WHAT ARE GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS? GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS ARE BONDS THAT ARE VOTED ON BY THE PUBLIC THROUGH A BOND ELECTION. 
          THEY'RE SECURED BY PROPERTY TAXES AND THAT WE WERE REQUIRED BY LAW TO LEVY A TAX RATE TO PAY FOR THOSE BONDS. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE GOES OVER WHAT OUR CURRENT PROPERTY TAX RATE IS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2024. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS TAX RATE IS 0.1 2 7 1 7 4. 
          OUR INTEREST IN SINKING IS 0.0 4 1 5 9 3 WITH OUR TOTAL ADOPTED TAX RATE BEING 0.1 6 9 0 6 7. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE GOES OVER TAX RATE IMPACT BY PARKER PROJECT. 
          SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE TOOK THE DIFFERENT BOND PACKAGES AND WE SPOKE WITH OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE THE FIRST COLUMN IS THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS. 
          THE SECOND COLUMN IS THE ESTIMATED COST THAT TIFFANY JUST DISCUSSED WITH YOU, WITH THE THIRD COLUMN BEING THE TAX RATE IMPACT PER THE PROJECT WITH THE, AND THE FOURTH COLUMN BEING THE ANNUAL IMPACT TO A $400,000 HOME. 
          ONCE AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST ESTIMATES BECAUSE THE TAXABLE VALUES WILL CHANGE EVERY YEAR. 
          AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TOTAL FOR ALL THOSE PROJECTS COMES UP TO 0.0 8 8 6 8 1 AT A TOTAL ESTIMATED COST OF $354 AND 71 CENTS TO A $400,000 HOME. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE, I'D LIKE TO GO IN AND TALK ABOUT THE ANNUAL MUD PAYMENTS THE CITY IS OBLIGATED TO MAKE. 
          THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WITH DIFFERENT MUDS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          EACH YEAR, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO PAY A PORTION OF OUR PROPERTY TAXES THAT WE RECEIVE IN THAT PARTICULAR MUD BACK TO THE MUDS. 
          THE AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE TO PAY BACK IS BASED ON A TIERED STRUCTURE THAT IS IN EACH AGREEMENT. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE THE ON THE SLIDE, THIS IS THE TIERED STRUCTURE THAT IS IN EACH DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          IT'S BASED OFF OF OUR TOTAL TAX RATE. 
          SINCE OUR TOTAL TAX RATE RIGHT NOW IS CURRENTLY WELL BELOW THE 0.21999, WE PAY TO THE MUDS, THE 0.0 6 2 5 1 0 OF THE ASSESSED VALUE IN THAT PARTICULAR MUD. 
          EVERY YEAR OF THE PROPERTY TAXES THE CITY RECEIVES, SHOULD THE PROPERTY TAXES, OUR TOTAL PROPERTY TAX GO ABOVE THAT, YOU WILL SEE THE DIFFERENT TIERS AND THE DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES THEY GO UP BASED ON OUR TOTAL PROPERTY TAX. 
          THE NEXT SLIDE JUST KIND OF GOES INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT THAT FIRST COLUMN IS, ONCE AGAIN, THE DIFFERENT PERCENTAGES BASED ON YOUR TOTAL TAX RATE. 
          THE TIER, WITH THE SECOND COLUMN BEING THE ACTUAL INCREASE OF THE CALL, SHOULD THE TOTAL TAX RATE GO TO THAT TIER FOR THAT RELATED PERCENTAGE? AND THEN WHAT YOUR TOTAL, OUR TOTAL, THE TOTAL THE CITY'S TOTAL ANNUAL MUD PAYMENTS WOULD BE WITH THAT INCREASE. 
          AND BASED OFF OF OUR 2024 BUDGETED AMOUNT OF $1,577,000. 
          WITH THIS SLIDE, I DID A LITTLE PROPERTY TAX RATE ANALYSIS. 
          I TOOK OUR CURRENT TOTAL TAX RATE OF 0.1 6 9 0 6 7 AND TOOK THE CURRENT THRESHOLD THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN OF THE 0.21999 WITH THE DIFFERENCE BEING 0.0 5 1 2, 3 2, WHICH SHOWS THE DIFFERENCE THAT WE WOULD WE CURRENTLY HAVE BEFORE WE 
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GO UP TO THAT NEXT LEVEL OF THAT TIER THAT WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PAY THE 7% OR THE 8% BASED ON WHAT OUR TOTAL TAX RATE IS. 
          AND THEN BELOW ARE JUST SIMPLY EXAMPLES OF POSSIBLE COMBINATIONS THAT WOULD KEEP THE CITY WITHIN THAT 0.0 5 1 2, 3 2. 
          SO I, I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU YEAH. 
          TO TAKE QUESTIONS. 
          SO, SO A COUPLE OF NOTES. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , UM, FIRST BEFORE WE ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, TO THE MUD RATE, I DO WANNA REMIND ALL OF YOU, IN CASE SOME OF YOU WEREN'T ON COUNSEL AT THE TIME, UM, BACK PRIOR TO THE RENEGOTIATED AGREEMENT, UM, IN 2018, IN THE END OF 18, UM, ANY TAX RATE OVER 10 CENTS WENT BACK TO THE MUDS. 
          WE RENEGOTIATED. 
          AND PART OF THAT NEGOTIATION WAS THE MUD DIRECTOR'S UNDERSTANDING THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THE CITY WOULD NEED THE CAPACITY TO ISSUE BONDS WITHOUT IMPACTING THAT TAX RATE THAT'S PAID TO THE MUDS. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE WOULD'VE ISSUED A 5 CENT TAX, UM, FOR A BOND PACKAGE, WE WOULD'VE HAD TO PAY 5 CENTS TO THE MUDS. 
          AND SO THIS RENEGOTIATED CONTRACT CHANGED THE TERMS TO THIS TIERED STRUCTURE, UH, OF PAYMENTS. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK AT THE TIME ANY OF US, UM, SAW WHAT WAS COMING FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE. 
          HOWEVER, WE DID TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE WE HEARD RUMORS OF SUCH, UM, WHEN NEGOTIATING THESE TERMS. AND WHAT I'M REFERRING TO IS, UM, OUR CAP THAT WE CAN'T EXCEED ON OUR, ON OUR TAX RATE, UM, EACH YEAR. 
          SO ALL OF THOSE CALCULATIONS DID COME INTO PLAY AS WE RENEGOTIATED THE TERMS. UH, WE'LL REMIND THE PUBLIC AND COUNSEL THAT THE TAX RATE THAT WE PAY BACK TO THE MUDS IS ONLY ON THE VALUE WITHIN THAT MUD. 
          SO WE'RE NOT PAYING THE TOTAL TAX RATE ABOVE, WHICH IS WHY, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S LOWER THAN THE PERCENTAGE THAT'S ACTUALLY PAID BACK TO THE MUD, UM, AS WE SEE IT TO DATE. 
          SO JUST A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING THINGS THERE AS IT RELATES TO THE MUD. 
          UM, WHEN, WHEN STAFF SENT THIS, WE TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS, UM, BEING A PART OF THE EQUATION BECAUSE WE DO NEED TO KNOW, YOU DO NEED TO KNOW THAT IF YOU GO ABOVE THE, SORRY, MY 21.99, IF YOU, IF YOU GO ABOVE THAT, UM, THEN IT DOES KICK US TO THE NEXT TIER OF PAYMENT. 
          UM, BUT THEN WE'RE STILL, WE'RE SPLITTING PENNIES IS VIRTUALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING AS THAT INCREASES. 
          SO, BUT, BUT I WANNA, I WANNA, AS A TAXPAYER TO THE MEDS, I DON'T FEEL LIKE, AND I SPEAK, I THINK FOR MOST EVERYBODY IN MY DISTRICT, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS REPRESENTS US. 
          WELL, AND, AND BY THAT, WHAT I'M GUESS I'M SAYING IS EVERYBODY THAT IS IN A MUD, WHICH IS ALL CROSS CREEK PLUS OTHERS, RIGHT? I PAY $6,000 A YEAR TO THE MUD, WHICH IS WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE IN CROSS CREEK, THEY DON'T PAY. 
          SO TO, TO THE POINT OF WHY WE HAVE THESE MUD PAYMENTS BACK TO FROM THE CITY, IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF HAVE ALREADY PAID THAT $6,000 AND ALL IT IS, IS PAYING THE MUD SO THAT THEY CAN PAY FOR MY ROADS, MY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT I LIVE IN, THAT, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          SO I DON'T, I THINK THAT WE'RE NOT SERVING THE MED TAXPAYERS WELL WHEN WE DON'T PRESENT THAT PART OF IT. 
          SO IF WE PRINT, IF WE PRESENT THE MEDS, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK BACK TO SOMEBODY LIKE ME THAT SAYS, OH, AND BY THE WAY, MS. CAGE, YOU'VE ALREADY PAID $6,000, WHICH BASICALLY ALL WE ARE DOING IS TAKING YOUR MONEY AND PAYING IT BACK TO MONTHS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND SO, SO THAT, THAT'S MY POINT. 
          SO YEAH. 
          AND SO TO THAT POINT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING? UM, AND I CAN'T, I THINK MY RATE WAS 85 CENTS, RIGHT? IN REALITY IT WAS 5 CENTS MORE. 
          OKAY? YEAH. 
          BECAUSE, SO, SO WHAT WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING IS BECAUSE OF THE CITY'S PAYMENT BACK, IT REDUCES THAT TAXPAYER IN THE MUD'S RATE, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT REALLY A TRUE REDUCTION, UM, BECAUSE IT'S JUST THE MEMBERS THAT ARE WITHIN THE MUD. 
          SO, UM, JUST KIND OF AN IMPORTANT NOTE TO UNDERSTAND, UH, THE TAXPAYERS AS A GENERAL ARE NOT PAYING THAT TAX RATE BACK TO THE MUD. 
          IT'S ONLY ON THE TAX, WITHIN THE TAX, THE ASSESSED VALUE WITHIN THOSE MUDS. 
          SO, SO I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE REDUCTION PIECE, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CLARIFY WHY 
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NOT. 
          I MEAN, ON THIS, THE CITY TAKES REVENUE FROM THE TAXPAYERS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          , RIGHT? SO I PAY OUR TAX RATE, WHICH IS WHATEVER 0.1 6, 1 6, AND NINE MM-HMM. 
          , RIGHT? I PAY THAT. 
          AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE THAT LIVES IN THE CITY. 
          THEN THE CITY HAS TO TAKE FROM THAT REVENUE AND REBATE BACK TO CERTAIN MUDS, RIGHT? MM-HMM,  THE PERCENTAGE THAT YOU'VE SHOWN HERE. 
          SO NOT ONLY AM I PAYING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MY BILL WAS, IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FIVE AND $7,000. 
          BUT OF THE, THAT'S FOR THE MUD. 
          BUT OF THE MONEY THAT I PAID TO THE CITY FOR TAXES, A PERCENTAGE OF THAT IS REBATED TO THE MUD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO THE MUD'S GIVING MY MUD DOLLARS TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE MUD THAT I LIVE IN. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE ROADS THAT I DRIVE ON, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE WATER, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. 
          RIGHT? SO IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT RIGHT? OUR INS. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT? SO AS WE, AS IT STANDS, THE WAY THIS IS PRESENTED NOW, THERE WOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL IMPACT BECAUSE WE'RE UNDER THAT RATE. 
          SO WE WOULDN'T GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL. 
          BUT SHOULD WE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION AND PUT OUT A BOND PROPOSAL THAT MOVES US TO THE NEXT TIER. 
          NOW THEN THE CITY'S INS IS IMPACTED. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO WE, 'CAUSE IT'S GONNA GO SO THAT AND THE CITY'S MONEY RIGHT? IS WHAT WE USE TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY IS DOING. 
          YES. 
          SO IT'S SORT OF A DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          RIGHT? AND EVERYONE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UH, OR WE SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO MAKE IT CLEAR. 
          AND IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT ANY BOND REFERENDUM ON THE BALLOT, IT NEEDS TO CLEARLY SHOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE RIGHT. 
          ARE AGREEING TO OR NOT AGREEING TO. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          YEAH. 
          SO CURRENTLY ANYTHING OVER 5 CENTS, UM, ACTUALLY 5.12 CENTS, ANYTHING OVER THAT 5 CENT WOULD KICK US INTO THE NEXT THRESHOLD ON THIS YEAR'S CURRENT, UM, TAX RATE. 
          NOW, I WILL NOTE THAT FOR THE PAST, WELL, SINCE WE SIGNED THE AGREEMENT, UM, AND THE NEW STATE LEGISLATION WENT INTO, INTO EFFECT, OUR RATE HAS ACTUALLY GONE FROM, IT WAS, I BELIEVE 18, 18 AND A HALF CENTS. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WE'VE DROPPED TO TWO FULL CENTS MM-HMM. 
           FROM THAT TIME THAT THIS STARTED. 
          SO I, I WOULDN'T IMAGINE, UM, NEXT YEAR GIVING NEW POPULATION, NEW ROOFTOPS, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER DECREASE IN THE OVERALL TAX RATE AGAIN, UM, WITH CONTINUED INCREASING COST OF, OF, OF HOMES IN THE AREA. 
          BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, ANYTHING ABOVE THE 5 CENTS ON THE BALLOT WOULD RESULT IN AN INCREASE, UM, TO THAT MUD PAYMENT. 
          AND THAT WAS KIND OF THE POINT OF, TO, TO YOUR POINT OF YES, THE CITY'S PAYING IT BACK, IF THE CITY WASN'T PAYING IT BACK, WE WOULD BE PAYING A HIGHER RATE WITHIN THOSE MONTHS ANYWAY. 
          SO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I MEAN, SO I THINK THAT'S ALL REALLY IMPORTANT, AND I THINK FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, EVEN ME, BECAUSE YOU AND I HAD A CONVERSATION, 'CAUSE THESE NUMBERS ARE JUST SORT OF FLYING BY AND NO, THERE'S NO FRAME OF REFERENCE NECESSARILY, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO WE'RE NOT ALL IN FINANCE, BUT, UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT AS DURING THESE DISCUSSIONS, THAT WE REALIZE THAT WE ARE PART OF A CITY SHORE, RIGHT? THE CITY OF RE RE FIRST. 
          AND YES, WE ALL HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES AND WHERE WE LIVE AND OUR HOUSES AND OUR MUDS AND ALL THESE THINGS, RIGHT? BUT IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHAT DO WE WANT FOR THE CITY OF SRE AS WE HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS? MM-HMM. 
          , WE'RE NOT GOING TO DECIDE ANYTHING TONIGHT. 
          RIGHT? BUT, SO THAT, FOR ME, IT'S LOOKING AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGER PICTURE. 
          YES. 
          AND THESE HAVE BIG NUMBERS WITH THEM. 
          I MEAN MM-HMM. 
           IT'S SERIOUS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, I THINK TO THAT POINT, WHEN I TALK TO RESIDENTS, UM, ACROSS THE CITY, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S BO ARC OR F RUN OR POLO RANCH OR CROSS CREEK, UM, THERE'S A GENERAL CONSENSUS FOR BALL FIELDS AND, UM, PLACE FOR THE CITY TOGETHER, THE AMPHITHEATER CONCEPT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          SO I'M NOT SURPRISED TO SEE PRIMROSE RISE TO THE TOP AS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. 
          HOWEVER, I WILL SAY THAT I DO THINK, UM, THOSE WHO LIVE IN MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES WILL STRUGGLE SUPPORTING A BOND THAT HAS BUYING OF SMALL TRACKS OF PARKLAND, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S POCKET PARKS WITHIN THOSE COMMUNITIES. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA BE A LARGER ASK WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE VOTE TO THE POPULACE. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO, TO CONSIDER. 
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UM, A ADDITIONALLY, I THINK WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF DOWNTOWN AND, UH, THE LIVABLE CENTER STUDY AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE WORKED ON SINCE, UM, PRIOR TO EVEN SOME OF US BEING SEATED HERE, UM, THE FRANCIS SMART PARK DOWNTOWN, THE, THE VETERANS MEMORIAL, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS BECOMES A HIGHER PRIORITY. 
          UM, I, I THINK RENE STERN, THE IMPROVEMENTS OUTSIDE BECOME VERY IMPORTANT, UM, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE GRAND, UM, PLAN, THE REGIONAL PLAN OF PARKS. 
          BUT I DO STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT SHOULD BE, THAT AT LEAST PARTIALLY MY OPINION, IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE YMCA OR OF WHEN WE'VE GOT LA FITNESS, WE'VE GOT DIFFERENT COMMUNITY PLACES TO WORK OUT TO PLAY VOLLEYBALL, TO DO THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          NOW, IF WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE AN MOU CURRENTLY WITH THE YMCA, AND IF WE WANTED TO SAY, HEY, HERE'S THE LAND TO DEVELOP, AND YOU GUYS GO AND STAFF AND FUND AND DO ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS, THAT, THAT MIGHT CHANGE THE EQUATION. 
          UM, BUT THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE MY, MY OPINION ON WHAT I THINK AS I THINK ABOUT THE POPULACE AND HOW THESE PACKAGES GET ROLLED OUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTA THINK ABOUT THEN THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS COUNSEL TO THINK ABOUT. 
          WE CAN PUT ALL OF THESE SEPARATELY ON A BOND REFERENDUM. 
          EACH ONE, EACH LINE ITEM CAN BE ITS OWN ON A REFERENDUM. 
          YOU CAN PACKAGE THEM WITH MULTIPLE TOGETHER. 
          THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF WAYS, UM, THAT YOU COULD CHOOSE TO DO THIS, TO TAKE IT TO THE PUBLIC, UM, FOR A VOTE. 
          UM, I WILL SAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE ARE ALL BECOMING VERY FAMILIAR WITH IS THE FACT THAT, UM, INCREASING COST, NOT, NOT JUST FOR THE CITY OF RE BUT ACROSS THE BOARD, WHEN I TALK TO OTHER, UM, MUNICIPALITIES, WE'RE SEEING THIS RISE IN COST. 
          UM, SO IN ORDER TO BUILD THE TYPE OF BALL FIELDS IN THE PARK AND THE EXPERIENCE THAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE GROWN ACCUSTOMED TO, UM, I I, I'M NOT SURE RELYING SOLELY ON BUDGETED DOLLARS IS GONNA BE ENOUGH TO GIVE THE PUBLIC WHAT THEY DESIRE WHEN IT RELATES TO PRIMROSE. 
          SO I, I GUESS THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS AS Y'ALL OPEN FOR QUESTION. 
          WELL, I GUESS I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          SO, I WAS A BIT SURPRISED TO SEE THIS ON THE AGENDA, ONLY BECAUSE WE JUST FINISHED THE BUDGET AND WE ACTUALLY MOVED, REMIND ME, $3 MILLION OF GENERAL FUND OVER TO PARKS. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          YES. 
          SO WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN IT A BUFFER. 
          AND THEN I'M LIKE, WHOA, WHAT IS THIS COMING JUST THE NEXT MONTH? MM-HMM. 
          . 
          SO I WAS, I WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I, WHENEVER I LOOK ALSO AT THE NUMBERS YOU RUN, AND THANK YOU FOR RUNNING THOSE BY THE WAY. 
          BUT FOR A HOME OF $400,000, $354 A YEAR, I THINK MY TOTAL CITY TAX, THAT'S 50%. 
          SO I'M PAYING RIGHT NOW ABOUT $700 A YEAR IN CITY TAXES. 
          THIS WOULD ADD THAT. 
          AND I, AND I'VE TALKED TO FOLKS ALREADY ABOUT TAX INCREASES. 
          THERE'S NOT A LOT OF APPETITE. 
          SO I GUESS I, I KNOW WE NEED TO MOVE THINGS FORWARD. 
          I GUESS I'M SURPRISED. 
          DO WE REALLY NEED TO GO THIS FAR THIS YEAR? UM, THE, THE PEOPLE I'VE REACHED OUT TO ABOUT PROBABLY 20 PEOPLE THEY DON'T HAVE AN APPETITE FOR, BUT THAT'S THEIR VOTE, RIGHT? THEY DON'T HAVE AN APPETITE FOR THIS THIS YEAR. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO A COUPLE, COUPLE COMMENTS AND SOME QUESTIONS. 
          ONE, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. 
          UM, SECOND, UM, I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF A BOND. 
          I BROUGHT THIS UP BACK IN MAY. 
          MM-HMM. 
          . 
          'CAUSE I SAID WE NEEDED TO DO THIS IF WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD. 
          'CAUSE EVEN THOUGH NOBODY WANTS, UH, INCREASED TAXES, EVERYBODY ELSE ALSO KEEPS COMPLAINING THAT THEY WANT BALL FIELDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND WHAT PAYS FOR THAT. 
          UM, SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE COMMENTS THERE. 
          I GUESS OTHER THOUGHTS AND QUESTIONS? UM, ONE, I I, I DO WANT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION AT THE END ON WHAT IS THE SIX AND A HALF MILLION THAT WE PUT IN THE BUDGET FOR PRIMROSE PARK FOR PHASE TWO AND THREE COMBINING TOGETHER, GETTING US VERSUS WHAT IS IN THIS ENTIRE 19 THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE. 
          SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE, WE HIT THAT UP. 
          I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. 
          I'M CURIOUS AS TO THE PARKING AMOUNT FOR PRIMROSE PARK WHENEVER IT'S COMPLETED. 
          JUST 'CAUSE LIKE WHEN WE DO HAVE A COMMUNITY-WIDE EVENT, WHAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE, HOW MANY PEOPLE WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE THERE FOR THE TRICENTENNIAL, UH, CELEBRATION, UM, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT. 
          HOPEFULLY IT DOESN'T TAKE THAT LONG. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER ONGOING COSTS FOR ALL OF THESE PARKS. 
          WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE? HOW MANY ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL ARE WE GONNA NEED? WHAT IS THAT RUN RATE GONNA BE? WHAT ARE THE TAX IMPLICATIONS 
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GONNA BE IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THAT? THAT'S NOT FROM AN INS UH, PERSPECTIVE. 
          UM, I, I DO, I DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD ITEMIZE THIS FROM A BOND. 
          I THINK IT SHOULD BE A PARKS AND REC BOND WITH THINGS IN GENERAL TO BE USED FROM. 
          I DON'T THINK ALL OF THESE THINGS SHOULD NECESSARILY BE DONE AT THE BEGINNING. 
          I THINK ACQUIRING LAND AND ACQUIRING LAND NOW IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS BECAUSE IF WE DON'T DO IT NOW, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE AN AVAILABLE AND IT'S GONNA GET MORE EXPENSIVE. 
          UM, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE BOND KEEP IT BELOW THE AMOUNT THAT KICKS OVER THE HIGHER MUD PAYMENT AMOUNT. 
          I THINK THAT'S RESPONSIBLE THERE. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK TO KEEP IN CONSIDERATION HERE IS ALSO BOND TIMING. 
          HOW MUCH OF IT NOW THIS YEAR, WE'RE SEEING BOND RATES RISING RIGHT NOW? WHERE DO WE FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO GO? THEY'RE STILL TRADITIONALLY LOW AS COMPARED TO 30 YEARS AGO, BUT THEY'RE A LOT HIGHER THAN WHAT THEY WERE THREE YEARS AGO. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO GET FROM A BOND COUNCIL. 
          SO I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT THERE, BUT I WANTED TO SHARE ALL OF THAT AND SO THAT YOU COULD TAKE IT IN AND JUST HAVE SOME, SOME FEEDBACK FROM IT. 
          AND THEN MAYBE IF YOU CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION ON THE PRIMROSE, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. 
          PRIMROSE, CURRENTLY THERE IS, UM, WHAT WAS BUDGETED WAS 3.1 FOR FY 24, WHICH TECHNICALLY WAS 3.1 FOR PHASE TWO FOR CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THEN WITH THIS BUDGET PHASE THREE, THE $3 MILLION WAS ALLOCATED FOR PHASE THREE. 
          SO THAT, THAT LEFT THAT TOTAL TO 6.1 FOR THIS YEAR FOR CONSTRUCTION OF PHASE TWO. 
          AND THEN DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION OF PHASE THREE. 
          CURRENTLY WE CANNOT BUILD PHASE TWO FOR $6.1 MILLION. 
          AND TONIGHT WE JUST APPROVED 559,000 THAT WOULD COME OUT OF THAT $3 MILLION THAT WAS EARMARKED FOR PHASE THREE. 
          WHAT WE SHOWED ON THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT WAS THE, WAS FOR JUST CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT CONTINGENCY WAS $15 MILLION FOR PRIMROSE. 
          THAT'S FOR PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE. 
          BUT THAT DOES NOT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE 6.1 LESS THE DESIGN CONTRACT THAT WAS JUST AWARDED TONIGHT. 
          AND WE SHOWED THAT JUST IN A WAY TO BE ABLE TO SHOW KIND OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE NEED FOR PRIMROSE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, I, IF Y'ALL WANT TO SEE OPTIONS OF, OKAY, SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? UM, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE 6 MILLION. 
          THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS THAT IT CAN GO. 
          I THINK BECAUSE IF WE CONSIDERED THE BOND FOR THE MAY ELECTION, THEN PRIMROSE PHASE TWO IS ALMOST FINISHED WITH DESIGN. 
          AS I MENTIONED. 
          WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRING THIS INTO BUDGET TO, TO SOMEHOW EVEN CLOSE TO, IT WAS NOT AN IMPO IT WAS NOT POSSIBLE FOR 3.1, BUT TO TRY AND SOMEHOW GET US CLOSE TO THE $6 MILLION. 
          SO WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME GOING THROUGH, EXPLORING A LOT OF DIFFERENT AVENUES, UM, LOOKING AT WHAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DELAY, UM, HOW WE COULD DO THAT. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY, LIKE I SAID, WE WANNA BUILD A PARK THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF, NOT BUILD A PARK THAT HAS NO LIGHTS, UM, HAS BARE BONES OF A LOT OF THINGS, RIGHT? BECAUSE AFTER ALL THIS TIME, IF WE DO THAT AND THEN YOU CAN'T EVEN PLAY DURING THE SPRING BECAUSE OF THE TIME CHANGE AND ALL THOSE THINGS, THEN ULTIMATELY IT'S NOT REALLY THE MOST USABLE PART FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO WE, WE EXPLORED A LOT OF AVENUES AND THE WAY OF HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS HAPPEN? SO ULTIMATELY TONIGHT WE SHOWED YOU THE 15 MILLION FOR BOTH. 
          AND THEN IF, IF WE GO FORWARD WITH A MAY BOND, IF THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WERE INTERESTED IN, PHASE TWO IS ALMOST FINISHED WITH DESIGN. 
          SO WE COULD BE, DEPENDING ON IF THERE WAS FUNDING, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE, THEN WE COULD BE POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT GOING OUT FOR BIDS AND BEING ABLE TO SOON START CONSTRUCTION. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH DOLLARS FOR IT. 
          SO IF WE, THAT WOULD BE BEFORE THE MAY ELECTION, POTENTIALLY COULD BE BEFORE THE MAY ELECTION IF WE, SO I'LL, I'LL, I'LL STOP, I'LL STOP YOU THERE JUST FOR A SECOND. 
          UM, I, I APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT. 
          UM, I'M STILL, AGAIN, SUPPORTIVE OF BOND 'CAUSE I NEED, I THINK WE NEED THOSE FUNDS TO BE THERE WHEN WE'RE READY. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE A SEPARATE REVIEW OF THE PROJECT IN GENERAL BECAUSE WE JUST APPROVED THIS BACK IN OCTOBER AND WE'RE NOW SAYING THAT NOT ONLY THE 3 MILLION THAT WE PUT IN, BUT THE ADDITIONAL 3 MILLION ON TOP OF IT ISN'T GONNA PAY FOR THE TWO, PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE, WHERE WE BOTH AGREED, I'VE GOT SERIOUS CONCERNS AS A CITIZENS, AS A TAXPAYER TO SAY, WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GO AND GIVE ME, YOU'RE GONNA GO AND WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU MORE MONEY AND THIS IS GONNA KEEP GOING OUT. 
          I MEAN, WE GRILLED RICHARD WEATHERLY ON OUR WATER PROJECTS. 
          AND HONESTLY, LIKE ANY FURTHER PROJECTS GOING FORWARD, GONNA HAVE MORE SCRUTINY, I BELIEVE FROM THIS COUNCIL. 
          IF WE CONTINUE TO RUN LIKE THIS. 
          AGAIN, IT SEPARATES 
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IT FROM THE BOND THING, BUT, AND I, I DO WANT, I DO WANT CITIZENS TO KNOW THAT JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE IT ON A BOND, AND EVEN IF THAT GETS PASSED, IT STILL GOES THROUGH US TO APPROVE THE PROJECTS. 
          THE FUNDS MIGHT BE THERE AND IT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE, BUT IF WE DON'T FEEL LIKE IT IS READY OR WE'RE READY TO TAKE THIS ON, LIKE WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT. 
          THAT'S AT LEAST WHAT I WANNA DO. 
          BUT, BUT I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE BEEN PRESENTED BECAUSE OF JUST WHAT YOU SAID THAT, THAT WE HAD 3 MILLION AND IT WASN'T ENOUGH. 
          WE THOUGHT IT WAS, SO WE PUT PUT IN MORE AND NOW WE'RE COMING BACK AND SAYING, WELL, THAT'S JUST BARE BONES THAT WE DON'T HAVE LIGHTS. 
          AND I'M GOING, I, I'M JUST, I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE SCREECHING HALT HERE TO REVISIT AND GET US BACK ON A COMMON PAGE. 
          AND I HAVE CONCERNS OF GOING WITH THESE BOND DOLLARS WHEN WE DON'T, I DON'T FEEL CONFIDENT IN THE DOLLARS, I DON'T FEEL CONFIDENT AGAINST. 
          SO LET, LET ME GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT TO, 'CAUSE I HAD THIS CONVERSATION AS SOON AS, UM, RAMONA CALLED AND SAID, HEY, WOULD YOU CONSIDER EVEN HEARING, UH, ABOUT A PARK BOND? AND I SAID, YEAH, I THINK IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          SO I CALLED STAFF AND SAID, ALL RIGHT, WHERE ARE WE? WHERE ARE WE AT? AND THEY HAD ALREADY BEGUN TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL BECAUSE IT WAS MENTIONED AT A, UH, PARKS COMMITTEE, UM, MEETING. 
          AND SO THIS, THIS DIALOGUE BEGAN AND IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS I ASKED IS, ALL RIGHT, WHERE, WHERE'S THIS DELTA? UM, AND IT WAS THE FIRST QUESTION I ASKED TIFFANY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE DELTA. 
          AND WHAT I CAME TO REALIZE IS THE PARK THAT WAS DISCUSSED PRIOR TO ANY OF US SITTING HERE WAS MORE OF AN OPEN SPACE PARK THAT PROVIDED A PLACE WHERE KIDS COULD PRACTICE BASEBALL, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          UM, SOFTBALL, WHATEVER, LITTLE LEAGUE. 
          UM, BUT IT WAS MORE OF KIND OF THAT PRACTICE FIELD CONCEPT, NOT THE FULL ON BALL FIELD CONCEPT. 
          THEN AS THIS COUNCIL BEGAN TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, IT EVOLVED INTO, AT ONE POINT IN TIME A FIELD THAT EVEN HAD MOVABLE FENCES SO THAT YOU COULD EITHER PLAY SOCCER OR PLAY BASEBALL BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE, UM, THE SOCCER FIELDS THAT WE NOW HAVE IN TAMRON WEST THAT INCLUDED NO, NO LIGHTS. 
          IT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE KIND OF DRAINAGE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO TRULY PLAY LITTLE LEAGUE. 
          UM, DIDN'T HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF INFILL. 
          UM, I REMEMBER DISTINCTLY BECAUSE MR. MARTIN, UM, RAISED CONCERNS AT THAT TIME THAT WE WEREN'T EVEN BUILDING THE APPROPRIATE FIELDS. 
          RIGHT? AND SO I BELIEVE PART OF WHAT'S HAPPENED THROUGH THAT DESIGN PROCESS, EVEN WITH HALF IS THIS, THE BALL FIELDS HAVE EVOLVED TO A POINT OF TRULY HAVING LITTLE LEAGUE, UM, CONCEPTS. 
          NOW, WE DO HAVE THE CONCEPT DRAWINGS FROM TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, BUT THAT WAS THAT MOVABLE FENCE AND IT WASN'T LIGHTED AND IT, NOR WAS IT SPRINKLED. 
          UH, NOR WERE THERE SPRINKLERS IN THOSE EQUATIONS. 
          SO WHEN YOU START TA TALKING ABOUT IRRIGATION LIGHTING, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY ALL OF THE INCREASES, BUT I AM SAYING THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE INCREASES HAVE COME IS THIS HAS EVOLVED, UM, FROM PRACTICE FIELDS TO BALL FIELDS. 
          BUT I AGREE 100% THAT SHOULD WE GO OUT TO BOND BEFORE WE, BEFORE WE GET BOND, WE PRO WE NEED TO DRILL DOWN ON SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THESE COSTS TO ENSURE FROM A PROJECT MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE THAT THE 19 MILLION IS ENOUGH, OR IF IT'S TOO MUCH, OR IF THERE'S SOME ENGINEERING THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE. 
          I MEAN, AND THIS IS JANUARY. 
          AND SO IF WHY WE GOT PRESENTED THIS SO QUICKLY, IT FEELS LIKE IT WAS JUST KIND OF RUSHED THROUGH TO ME, RIGHT? IS SO THAT WE CAN GET IT ON THE MAY BALLOT THAT THAT DOESN'T BUY IT FOR ME. 
          WHAT BUYS IT FOR ME IS TO GET IT ACCURATE. 
          SOMETHING THAT I AM COMFORTABLE IN REPRESENTING TO MY CONSTITUENTS, RIGHT? NOT TO JUST GO RUSH SOMETHING, JUST TO HAVE IT ON A BOND ELECTION. 
          AND, AND SO I STILL NEED AN ANSWER AS TO THE MONEY THAT WE PUT IN AND WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO PRODUCE THIS YEAR. 
          I'M NOT CONFIDENT IN THAT. 
          SO I, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE I AM IS THERE'S, THERE'S NO WAY I, I CAN'T TAKE THIS TO MY NEIGHBORS. 
          I CAN'T TAKE THIS TO ANYBODY TO GO REPRESENT THIS RIGHT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THE, I THINK THE OTHER PART, UH, UH, I WILL COMMENT ON TWO OF THE PIECES. 
          ONE ON THE TIMING ISSUE. 
          UM, ONE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY FOR, FOR THIS MAY ELECTION. 
          AND THERE'D BE A DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DEADLINES, THERE'D BE A DIFFERENCE IF THERE WAS A, WE 
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ALWAYS CALL IT IN BUSINESS A COMPELLING EVENT. 
          IS THERE A COMPELLING EVENT IN JUNE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE FUNDS FROM A BONDS? WHAT ARE WE GONNA GO DO IN JUNE THAT WE COULDN'T DO, LET'S SAY IN NOVEMBER OF NEXT YEAR OR THIS YEAR BY HAVING IT ON ELECTION THAT YEAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK TO DO. 
          I DON'T SEE A COMPELLING EVENT. 
          YES, IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO DO IT EARLIER. 
          AND I'M NOT SAYING TAKE THIS OUT FOREVER, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTION HERE. 
          AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THERE MIGHT BE SOME DIFFERENT VALUE ENGINEERING OR, OR, UH, LET'S, LET'S CALL IT ALL THE FULCHER BELLS AND WHISTLES AS WE LIKE TO HAVE IT, AND WE EXPECT IT OUT HERE, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T LIKE TO PAY FOR IT. 
          UM, I, I'M, I DON'T SEE HOW THAT COMES INTO PLAY WHEN YOU BUDGET $6 MILLION THAT THEN TURNS INTO 15 PLUS ADDITIONAL COUPLE MILLION OF CONTINGENCY. 
          I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE NINE PLUS MILLION OF ADDITIONAL ADD-ONS COME WHEN YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THE LAND. 
          YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THE FIELD WORK. 
          I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE BIGGER INFRASTRUCTURE PIECES. 
          I WANNA SEE WHAT THOSE DETAILS ARE ON THAT, ON THAT DELTA YEAH. 
          IS HALF WITH US TONIGHT, AND I'M SURE THEY'VE PROVIDED SOME OF THE, THE NUMBERS, UM, THE VALUES. 
          YES. 
          UM, COULD YOU ALL POSSIBLY SPEAK AS TO, UM, THOSE AND WHAT, AND, AND I THINK TO MR. K'S POINT, UM, WE ARE NEARING COMPLETION OF DESIGN, UH, FOR PHASE TWO. 
          WHAT IS THE DOLLAR VALUE OF PHASE TWO ALONE, OR TO GET STARTED PRIOR TO, UH, NOVEMBER, UM, ELECTION? CERTAINLY, AND IF I CAN JUST A MOMENT ON THE, WE, WE, WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE TERM RUSH. 
          WE DID WORK FAST, BUT I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND SPENT A LOT OF DILIGENT EFFORT INTO GOING THROUGH THESE NUMBERS. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THE, THE DIFFERENCES HERE. 
          PHASE THREE WAS, UM, IN THE MAY, CIP WAS SHOWN OVER $4 MILLION. 
          SO THREE, THE $3 MILLION THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR PHASE THREE PER THE MAC CIP THAT WAS PRESENTED. 
          PHASE THREE WAS FOUR POINT, ROUGHLY ABOUT $4.4 MILLION. 
          SO IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS FOR CONSTRUCTION AND DESIGN FOR WHAT WAS PROJECTED. 
          UM, SO ANY, ANY ANY OF THAT DEVIATION THOUGH, WHEN WE APPROVED THE BUDGET WAS NOT CALLED OUT TO SAY, YES, IF WE MOVED OVER 3 MILLION, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA GET US EVERYTHING WE WANT. 
          THAT THAT WAS WHAT WE DID NOT GET AT THAT PIECE. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS 4 MILLION AT ONE POINT, AND WE BUDGETED AN ADDITIONAL THREE, BUT IT WAS NOT CLEAR THAT IT WASN'T GONNA HAVE EVERYTHING IN IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          NOW YOU'RE TELLING US THAT WOULDN'T EVEN PAY FOR PHASE TWO CONSTRUCTION, LET ALONE PHASE THREE, WHICH WE'VE APPROVED AN AMENDMENT HERE TO GET THE DESIGN ON PHASE THREE. 
          WHICH BEGS THE QUESTION, WHAT DESIGN ARE WE PUTTING IN PHASE THREE NOW THAT WE JUST APPROVED TO BE AMENDED? BECAUSE IT IS, IS IT THE SMALL SCOPE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED, OR IS IT THE SCOPE BASED UPON HAVING A PARK BOND THAT INCLUDES $19 MILLION FOR THE PARK TO FINISH IT? THE SCOPE DIDN'T CHANGE BASED OFF OF THE BOND, THE SCOPE. 
          WE WORKED THROUGH THE SCOPE AND HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THE SCOPE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS OF TRYING TO MAKE ALL OF THIS WORK. 
          UM, SO THE SCOPE IS BASED OFF OF THE MASTER PLAN OF IN THE, THE CONCEPTUAL IMAGE THAT'S SHOWN IN THAT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH HAS BEEN AVAILABLE FOR THREE YEARS NOW. 
          UM, THE, THE ADDITION IS ONLY TO MY KNOWLEDGE FROM THAT CONCEPTUAL PLAN. 
          THE ONLY ADDITION IS SPRINKLERS AND LIGHTS. 
          BUT DEBORAH, SO THREE YEARS SPEAK DEBORAH? NO, GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          THE PARKS COMMITTEE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR FOUR MONTHS. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE RUSHING INTO IT. 
          NOTHING'S BEEN RUSHED. 
          IT'S BEEN DILIGENTLY GONE THROUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BROUGHT IT ALL TO HERE EACH TIME. 
          IT HAS BEEN DILIGENTLY GONE THROUGH FOR FOUR MONTHS. 
          I'M, I DIDN'T SAY THAT THIS WAS RUSHED. 
          I'M SAYING BRINGING IT TO BOND IN MAY IS WHAT I BELIEVE IS RUSHED. 
          I APPRECIATE ALL THEIR EFFORTS. 
          IT'S NOT CHECKING ALL THE BOXES FOR ME TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH IT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THIS WAS RUSHED TO THIS, IT'S JUST WE'RE NOT THERE AT THIS POINT. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS BROUGHT FORTH. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS, UH, I FEEL LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING TARGETS THAT EVERY TIME WE COME AND VISIT THIS, THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I ONLY JOINED LAST MAY, SO I I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF HISTORY ON THIS. 
          UM, SO WHATEVER THE THREE AND 3.1 MILLION LAST YEAR THAT WE, UM, SIGNED TO IT, IF THAT WASN'T INSUFFICIENT, WHY WAS NOT THAT ESTIMATED FOUR MONTHS AGO? I MEAN, IT'S ONLY FOUR MONTHS, RIGHT? SO, AND WHY WAS THAT NOT COMMUNICATED THAT 
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WE COULD LOOK AT AND SAY, OKAY, AND, UH, MR. KNAPE DIDN'T MAKE THIS POINT. 
          SO INSTEAD OF REPEATING, I WOULD SAY, LET'S SET A TARGET. 
          LET'S GET AN ESTIMATE, AND LET'S SAY THAT THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE INSTEAD OF MOVING TARGETS EVERY FEW MONTHS, THAT THAT JUST DOES NOT SHOW US IN, YOU KNOW, GOOD FAITH DESPITE OF ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I THINK TO THAT POINT, THE TRUTH IS, UM, PHASE TWO, UM, CAME TO COUNCIL AND WENT TO DESIGN WHEN, I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING PROBABLY 2020 THAT WE SENT THIS TO DESIGN. 
          SO OUR, AND MAYBE 21 IS WHEN HALF GOT IT. 
          UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE NOW THREE YEARS REMOVED FROM, FROM STARTING, STARTING DESIGN. 
          SO TO THAT POINT THERE, THERE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOME UPDATES TO THE CIP ALONG THE WAY. 
          UM, ANYWAY, SO I THINK BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION, POTENTIALLY FOR HALF, UM, WHAT DOES THE 6 MILLION GET? SHOULD WE NOT, NOT, NOT GO OUT FOR A BOND PACKAGE TO BE ABLE TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION ON THIS PHASE TWO? OR IS IT EVEN, ARE WE EVEN IN THE BALLPARK WE'RE TO EVEN GET STARTED? SO, AND I KNOW THE REASON WE MOVED MONIES, SO JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S CLARITY, THE REASON IN OCTOBER WE COMBINED WAS A BELIEF THAT DESIGN COSTS FOR PHASE THREE WOULD BE REDUCED. 
          UM, IF WE WENT AHEAD AND INCLUDED IT ON THIS ON AND BEGAN TO WORK ON DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED, THUS THE 1.4 SAVINGS, BECAUSE WE WERE ONLY MOBILIZING CREWS ONE TIME INSTEAD OF MULTIPLE MOBILIZATIONS. 
          SO THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE MOVE OF THE MONIES AND TO PROCEED, UM, WITH ASSURANCES AT THE TIME THAT THAT 6 MILLION WOULD, WOULD COME CLOSE TO GETTING THE JOB DONE. 
          SO, GOOD EVENING, I'M CASEY COLLINS WITH ME IS KRISTEN LEBLANC. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN RUNNING THE PROJECT PRIMROSE FOR YOU. 
          SO TO UM, ANSWER THE, ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS, UH, SOME OF THE COSTS THAT WERE INITIALLY PREPARED WHEN THE CONCEPT WAS FIRST, UH, INCLUDED IN THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, UM, THAT WE'VE COME TO REALIZE, UH, YOU KNOW, BEING IN A RURAL AREA FOR THIS PROJECT, SOME OF THE ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, WE HAVE SINGLE PHASE POWER. 
          SO AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH, WE'RE ADDING THE LIGHTING FOR THE, THE PARK PROJECT AS WE TALKED ABOUT. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A $900,000 LINE ITEM, JUST THE ELECTRICAL ALONE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE MORE EFFICIENT FOR US TO HAVE THREE PHASE POWER, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE. 
          UH, IT'S NOT VERY CLOSE TO THE SITE, SO IT'D BE VERY COST PROATIVE FOR US TO EVEN BRING IT TO THE SITE. 
          UH, SOME ADDITIONAL COST OVERRUNS. 
          UM, THINGS THAT WE HAD NOT CONSIDERED, I MEAN, JUST THE, THE OVERALL COST WITH INFLATION ITSELF, UM, BROUGHT THE PRO PRO THE BUDGET WAY, UH, ABOVE WHAT WE THOUGHT. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY WE'VE SKINNED THIS EVERY WHICH WAY YOU POSSIBLY CAN LOOK AT IT TO TRY TO GET IT WITHIN BUDGET. 
          WITH VALUE ENGINEERING, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE CONSIDERING AT THE VERY BEGINNING WAS SPORTS LIGHTING FOR THE FIELDS. 
          THAT'S ANOTHER MILLION DOLLAR TICKET LINE ITEM. 
          SO AN ORIGINAL BUDGET FOR PHASE THREE OF 2.5 OR 3 MILLION. 
          AND YOU LOOK AT THE ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU LOOK AT SPORTS FIELD LIGHTING AT CLOSE TO 2 MILLION, THAT DOESN'T GET YOU FIELDS, THAT DOESN'T GET YOUR PARKING. 
          AND SOME OF THE OTHER AMENITIES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO INCLUDE. 
          SO I'LL ADD UTILITIES TO THAT. 
          YOUR ONLY UTILITIES TO SERVE THIS SITE ARE ON DIXON. 
          AND YOU'RE EXTENDING THOSE ALL THE WAY ACROSS THAT PROPERTY AND DOWN TOWARDS HUGGINS. 
          THAT'S AN EXCEPTIONALLY LARGE PART OF THE COST. 
          SO IF YOU TAKE ELECTRICAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR, CAN YOU SCOOT UP TO THE MIC SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HEAR, SORRY. 
          IF YOU TAKE THE ELECTRICAL IMPROVEMENTS, THE FIELD LIGHTING THE UTILITIES, THAT'S $3 MILLION RIGHT THERE. 
          AND THAT'S, YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT BUILDING A FIELD, YOU'RE NOT PUTTING ANY PARKING IN NOTHING. 
          SO I GET I GUESS, GO AHEAD. 
          OH, SORRY, , I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A REALLY GOOD TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, AND I JUST THOUGHT, I, I NEED TO PULL IT BACK UP BECAUSE WE DID HAVE ESTIMATES IN THAT, UH, PARKS MASTER PLAN AND, AND NOT A LOT, WE HAD SOME DETAIL, WE HAD ENOUGH DETAIL TO GIVE US NUMBERS, BUT IT FEELS LIKE TO ME, JUST LIKE WE DID OUR WATER AND WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN, WE NEED TO DO, WE NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER PARKS 
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MASTER PLAN TO UPDATE AND, AND ADD THE NEW GYMS OR WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE WANT, AND BRING THAT BACK BECAUSE THERE'S NO PICTURE. 
          I THINK IT, IT'S THE NICKEL AND DIMMING AND THE SURPR THE SURPRISES. 
          AND AS YOU SAY, WELL, WHAT YOU WANT NOW IS YOU GOTTA HAVE UTILITIES. 
          SO THIS IS BIG ENOUGH DOLLARS, UM, THAT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN SO THAT WE CAN FEEL MORE CONFIDENT IN WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          CERTAINLY. 
          BUT STILL, THE QUESTION HASN'T BEEN ANSWERED. 
          WHAT DOES $6.1 MILLION GET US? IF I CAN REAL QUICK ANSWER THAT AND THEN WE CAN ANSWER THE 6.1. 
          SO THE MASTER PLAN DOES PROVIDE A COST ESTIMATE, AND THE COST ESTIMATE FOR FROM THE MASTER PLAN FOR PRIMROSE WAS $7.5 MILLION. 
          BUT I CAN TELL YOU THROUGH MY REVIEW BASED OFF OF PATHS, COST ESTIMATE FOR PHASE TWO, AND THEN REVIEWING THE COST ESTIMATES PROJECTED IN THE MASTER PLAN FOR ALL OF THE PARTS OR ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE PRESENTED TONIGHT. 
          THERE'S GREAT DISCREPANCIES IN CONCRETE. 
          SO FROM THE LAST TIME THAT THE MASTER PLAN WAS UPDATED, I BELIEVE THE CONCRETE COST, UM, WAS I, I NEED TO LOOK AT MY NOTES, BUT I, I WANNA SAY IT WAS LIKE $22 A SQUARE FOOT OR SOMETHING. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          BUT, BUT MY, BUT WHERE I'M GOING IS THAT WAS DONE TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO. 
          WE NEED TO GO BACK AND REDO THAT SO THAT WE'RE NOT SURPRISED SO THAT WE, WE HAVE AN ACCURATE PICTURE VISION OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET PLUS THE DOLLARS, JUST LIKE WE DID. 
          YEAH. 
          WE DIDN'T GO USE OLD WATER AND WASTEWATER MANAGE. 
          SO LET, LET ME PAUSE THERE AND SAY THAT THEY HAVE ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS NOW, UM, THE UPDATED NUMBERS FROM HALF, AND I'M SURE IT COULD DISTRIBUTE, UM, THOSE TO COUNSEL, CORRECT? YOU'VE GOT THE UPDATED ESTIMATES. 
          SO WE HAVE, IT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE 19 MILLION, WELL, THE 19 MILLION ASSUMES THAT, SO IT TAKES THE COST ESTIMATE THAT WE HAVE FOR PHASE TWO, THE PROJECTED COST THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US AT ONE POINT FOR PHASE THREE. 
          AND THEN IT, I BUILT IN AN INFLATION FACTOR INTO IT, AS WELL AS OUR CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL TESTING THAT'S REQUIRED. 
          SO SOME OF OF THOSE THINGS ARE NOT CALCULATED INTO THE MASTER PLAN, BUT, BUT, BUT IT'S A MUCH BROADER TRUE PICTURE OF WHAT THE COST OF THE PROJECT IS TODAY. 
          WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A MUCH CLEARER COST PROJECTION. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, UM, COUNSEL PROBABLY NEEDS TO REVIEW CLOSELY, IS THAT UPDATED COST? YEAH. 
          AND, AND UH, JACK, I THINK THIS COMMENT MORE FOR YOU JUST IN GENERAL ACROSS THE BOARD, WE ARE HAVING THIS ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS, ACROSS ALL PROJECTS. 
          SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THIS. 
          WE DO NOT, WE DO NOT WANNA BE NITPICKING LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO, BUT EVERY SINGLE PROJECT KEEPS COMING UP WITH 50% OVERRUNS. 
          I MEAN, LIKE, WE'RE ALL CRINGING WHEN WATER PLANT NUMBER TWO IS GONNA COME UP FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THIS COUNCIL, BECAUSE WE'RE LIKE, REALLY? SO THAT'S WHERE THE FRUSTRATION COMES. 
          IF YOU CAN PROVIDE US WITH THE DELTAS, THIS IS WHAT IT WAS, A THIS IS WHAT IT IS, B HERE'S WHAT THE EXPLANATION IS, THAT WOULD HELP US RATHER THAN C IT. 
          BECAUSE ALL WE'RE SEEING NOW IS, IS WE'RE SEEING, HEY, YOU SAY IT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE MASTER PLAN, 7 MILLION. 
          IF I ADD THE CURRENT SIX PLUS WHATEVER WE DID ON PHASE ONE PLUS THE ADDITIONAL 19 THAT YOU'RE ASKING NOW, WE'RE TALKING MORE THAN 25 MILLION TOTAL ON A PROJECT THAT ORIGINALLY WAS SET OUT TO BE SEVEN. 
          ONLY POINT OF CORRECTION IS THE 19 INCLUDES THE SIX. 
          NO. 
          SO YOU GET TO DECIDE, YOU GET TO DECIDE WHAT YOU DO WITH THAT SIX I, THAT'S THE ONLY THING NOT CONSIDERED. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED IS THE 400,000. 
          THAT'S OUR 480, 490 THAT'S ALREADY SPENT FOR DESIGN. 
          UH, I, LET'S GET CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T, IF IT WASN'T THE 19 MILLION, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO OUT FOR AS MUCH BOND DOLLARS BECAUSE YOU'D SUBTRACT THE SIX OFF OF IT. 
          AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          SO THE BOND DOLLARS IS 12? NO. 
          SO THE, THE, THE RIGHT. 
          WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO? SIX I I THE SIX, THE, THE TOTAL COST MOVING FORWARD, NOT, NOT COUNTING WHAT WE ALREADY SPENT IN LAND PURCHASE. 
          WE ALREADY SPENT IN PHASE ONE AND WE ALREADY SPENT IN DESIGN ON PHASE TWO. 
          UM, THE TOTAL, NONE OF THAT IS PROJECTED REMAINING COST. 
          THE TOTAL REMAINING COST FOR THE PROJECT MINUS THE 500 FOR DESIGN IN PHASE THREE IS 19 MILLION, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, NOT 25. 
          THAT 19 MILLION IS WITH CONTINUE. 
          SO YOU COUNSEL WILL HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE AT SOME POINT IN TIME WHAT TO DO WITH THE 6 MILLION, WHETHER THEY APPLY THAT TOWARDS THE PURCHASE PRICE AND YOU ONLY BOND AT 13 MILLION. 
          OR IF YOU WANT TO PULL THAT BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND, YOU WILL HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE. 
          BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS IS DO YOU INCLUDE THE SIX THAT'S ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED OR, 
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AND I SAID, PUT THE BIG NUMBERS. 
          SO THE COUNCIL, WE'RE NOT PLAYING A GAME THERE, THERE'S NO, IT, IT'S, IT'S FULLY TRANSPARENT. 
          THIS IS NOW THE TOTAL COST OF THE REMAINING PROJECT. 
          SO THERE IS $6 MILLION, WELL, 500 AND 400, FIVE 5,000,460 BASICALLY, UM, REMAINING DOLLARS. 
          UM, THAT COUNCIL WILL HAVE A DECISION HOW THEY WANT TO APPLY THAT, WHETHER IT'S TOWARD THE BOND TO REDUCE THE, THE BOND COST OR TO ABSORB IT BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN SPENT OR TO THE PARK LEAVE A BALANCE IN THE PARKS FUND. 
          YEAH, I THINK THE DECISION HERE IS NOT REALLY FOR TODAY TO MAKE, BUT IN MY OPINION, WHAT WAS ESTIMATED THREE YEARS AGO, IF IT'S NOT VALID, THEN WE HAVE TO REDUCE OUR EXPECTATIONS OR WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR IT MORE. 
          AND I DON'T THINK WE ARE READY TO DO EITHER. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THE STALEMATE IS THERE. 
          I WOULD ADDITIONALLY LIKE TO ADD, I I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE BIDS THAT ARE COMING IN. 
          I KNOW THEY ALL LOOK FAMILIAR. 
          THEY ALL LOOK AROUND THE SAME BALLPARK. 
          I'M HIGHLY WORRIED OF WHAT, WHAT I'M HEARING AS BEING A FUL TAX, A RE WILLINGNESS TO PAY. 
          AND I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED TO SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE PAYING FOR SIMILAR PROJECTS BECAUSE EVERYBODY THINKS THAT, OH, THIS IS RE LOOK AT THOSE MEDIUM INCOMES AND LET'S, LET'S TEAR THOSE UP. 
          AND I'M VERY CONCERNED IF THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. 
          WE GOTTA START BEING PUSHING BACK BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S GONNA WANT TO TAKE THE WORK AT SOME POINT. 
          WELL, AND, AND TO THAT, WHICH I DID FORGET WHEN I SAW THIS, I WENT AND PRINTED THE LAST COUNTY BOND PROJECTS AND THERE'S A TON. 
          THERE'S, I I, I'VE GOT IT IN MY BAG, I COULD PULL IT OUT. 
          I, BUT I WANNA SAY IT'S $115 MILLION IN FORT BEND COUNTY PARKS PROJECTS. 
          AND THAT IS NOT FOR COUNTY PROJECTS, THAT IS FOR SUGAR LANE. 
          ALL THESE SMALL CITY PROJECTS ARE IN THERE ALSO. 
          SO TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT EITHER. 
          WHY IT OR DO WE NEED TO BE MORE INTEGRATED? DO WE NEED TO BE, UH, HAVING MORE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY? BUT, BUT THAT IS THE CASE, IS THIS IS PUTTING A LOT AND WE'RE ALREADY PAYING COUNTY TAXES TOO. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY DID DISCUSS, UM, BEFORE THE COUNTY BOND, AND WE DID REQUEST SOME PROJECTS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE BOND. 
          UM, BUT ULTIMATELY IF WE DID THAT, THEY WOULD BE COUNTY OWNED AND THEY WOULD NO LONGER BE CITY OWNED IF THEY WERE TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          THE ASSISTANCE FINDS THAT IF THEY GET A PART TO USE, WHETHER THE COUNTY DOES IN THE CITY DOESN'T MATTER. 
          AND, AND AGAIN, I, I'LL PULL IT OUT, BUT I, I THINK IT WAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, $115 MILLION. 
          IT WAS BIG, BIG. 
          AGAIN, I'M GONNA REQUEST SOME SORT OF AN INPUT FROM, UH, THE, UH, CITY STAFF HERE AS TO THE DATA ANALYSIS THAT WE REALLY NEED ON THESE PROJECTS. 
          BECAUSE 50% OR A HUNDRED PERCENT INCREASE IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN JUST, UH, SHOVE UNDER THE CARPET. 
          NOW WE NEED TO KNOW WHY, WHAT, AND IF I'M, I'M WILLING TO GO EVEN INTO NITTY GRITTYS OF IT. 
          I'M STILL WAITING FOR THE FREEZER NICHOLS ONE FOR THE WATER PLANT THAT WAS PROMISED IN NOVEMBER, SPECIAL MEETING, AND THAT HASN'T BEEN SENT. 
          SO WE NEED TO HAVE THIS INFORMATION SENT TO US. 
          IF THE, UH, THE CONTRACTORS COMMIT TO IT, THE CITY STAFF NEEDS TO FOLLOW AND GET THAT TO US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND ANSWER MAYOR PROTON'S QUESTION FOR THE 6.1. 
          YOU'RE GETTING PARKING BALL FIELDS'S, UTILITIES AND DETENTION, NO RESTROOM. 
          YOU GET PEDESTRIAN LEVEL LIGHTING. 
          NO SPORTS FIELD LIGHTING. 
          I ALSO WANNA MENTION, I BELIEVE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE 2019 PARKS PLAN, THE 7 MILLION WAS FOR THE ENTIRE, THAT'S PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE. 
          PHASE ONE. 
          SO, UM, I CAN JUST, JUST AS A CLARIFICATION. 
          YES, SIR. 
          'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO THAT POINT ON THE COUNCIL HERE. 
          IS THE PARKING, UM, GRAVEL. 
          ASPHALT OR CONCRETE? CONCRETE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, I THINK THE QUESTION ABOUT PARKING SPACES, WE ARE TASKED WITH 40 SPACES PER FIELD. 
          UH, SO WE'RE LOOKING IN THE RANGE OF 160 SPACES. 
          UM, AND TO SERVE THE, TO SERVE THE BALL FIELD, THAT'S TO SERVE THE BALL PHASE PHASE TWO, NOT INCLUDING PHASE THREE. 
          YEAH, PHASE THREE WE'LL HAVE SEPARATE PARKING. 
          I DO THINK THAT WE'RE ALL SOMEWHAT IN FAVOR OF HAVING A BOND FOR US TO GO OUT TO GET SOMETHING. 
          YEAH, I THINK THE QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS HOW MUCH AND WHAT IS, IS WIND AND THERE IS A DEFINITE APPETITE TO SEE ADDITIONAL DETAILS FOR THE PRIMROSE PARK. 
          UM, COST E EX ESCALATION. 
          UM, AND, AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO THE OTHER PROJECTS, UM, CONTAINED WITHIN. 
          UM, I 
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DO THINK I, I WILL AGREE WITH MR. AVI'S ASSESSMENT THAT ACQUIRING PARKLAND NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT. 
          UM, BECAUSE PRICE IS ONLY GONNA ESCALATE AND THERE'S GONNA BE FEWER PROPERTIES. 
          HOWEVER, AT THE SAME TIME, MY CONCERN IS TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS ISN'T, IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH, UM, TO ACQUIRE THE KIND OF PARK LAND THAT WE REALLY NEED TO ACQUIRE. 
          AND SO THAT BECOMES PART OF THE EQUATION. 
          IF YOU'RE ONLY ABLE TO ACQUIRE FOUR OR FIVE ACRES, UM, AND WE HAVE POCKET PARKS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES, THOSE, THAT'S GONNA BE A HARDER SELL TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, THAT'S AGAIN, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THINK IT'S BETTER TO DO A PARKS AND REC GENERAL BOND AS OPPOSED TO SPECIFIC PROJECTS. 
          SO IT GIVES MORE FLEXIBILITY AS LONG AS AGAIN, IT STAYS WITHIN A PARKS AND REC USE AND DOESN'T VIOLATE CERTAIN THINGS. 
          YES. 
          LIKE SPORTING EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION. 
          YES. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S AN A QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEYS. 
          UM, I KNOW THIS, I KNOW IF WE BOND FOR PRIMROSE PARK SPORTS FIELDS, I'VE GOTTA BUILD SPORTS FIELDS, RIGHT? WHAT I DON'T KNOW IS WHAT IS THE STATE APPETITE FOR A BOND THAT IS IN GENERAL IN NATURE WITHOUT SPECIFIC NAMED PROJECTS. 
          I KNOW THE SCHOOL HAS A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY WHEN IT COMES TO NEW BUILDS, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO BUILD NEW BUILDS, RIGHT? COUNTY COUNTY JUST DID IT. 
          UM, SO, BUT THE COUNTY PARK BOND ACTUALLY SPELLED OUT WHAT IT COULD, WHAT IT COULD, BUT LIKE, LIKE IT CAN'T SAY WHERE IT'S GONNA BE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T ACQUIRED THE LAND YET. 
          'CAUSE THEY NEED THE MONEY FOR WHEN IT COMES TO ACQUISITION OF LAND, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          WELL, I GENERALLY DEFER TO BOND COUNSEL FOR THE NUANCES OF THE, THE BOND QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME DEGREE OF SPECIFICITY THAT'S REQUIRED. 
          UM, AND THE AUTHORIZATION THAT I'M AWARE OF FROM THE STATE LAW IS THAT IT CAN BE PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES, SO LONG AS IT'S GENERALLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC AT LARGE AND IN THE CITY'S PARKS PLAN. 
          SO AS LONG AS THERE IS ACQUISITION OF SOME ACREAGE IN THE PARKS PLAN, I THINK THAT MEETS THE STATUTORY MINIMUM. 
          UM, AND THEN I WOULD, UM, I WOULD EXPECT THAT BOND COUNCIL WOULD LET US KNOW IF WE NEED TO GET MORE SPECIFIC THAN THAT. 
          SO, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS, AND I THINK MR CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, YOUR POINT WOULD BE, UM, FIGURE OUT WHATEVER THE DOLLAR VALUE IS UP TO 5 CENTS AND WE GO OUT TO BOND FOR THAT WITHOUT NAMING SPECIFIC PROJECTS. 
          WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AT LEAST SOME LIMITED AMOUNT OF DETAIL AS TO WHAT THOSE PROJECTS WERE IN ORDER TO MEET THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS. 
          THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, YES. 
          AND THE, THE COUNTY DID JUST THAT, RIGHT? THERE'S, THERE'S ENOUGH DETAIL ON THIS LIST HERE, AND IT WASN'T 115 MILLION, IT WAS $153 MILLION. 
          AND IT'S VERY, IT'S, IT'S DETAILED ENOUGH TO WHERE I KNOW AS A VOTER WHAT I'M VOTING ON. 
          UM, SO I, YEAH, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK THEY HAVE TO BE HELD COMPLETELY TO ALL OF THAT. 
          IT'S DETAIL, BUT IT'S NOT. 
          SO AGAIN, I, I JUST THINK, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE SAID WE WERE GONNA NEED TO TALK TO BOND COUNSEL, BUT I JUST, I WOULDN'T DETAIL IT FOR EVERY, AND I MEAN, AND WE DID HAVE A CALL WITH BOND COUNSEL, CORRECT, AARON, TO GET TO SOME OF THESE NUMBERS AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT YES. 
          WITH OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS. 
          OKAY. 
          MM-HMM, . 
          OKAY, SO WE HAVE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS. 
          WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN GET FOR THOSE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS WE'VE AGREED TO DESIGN, SPEND MONEY FOR PHASE THREE, RIGHT? SO WE'VE GOT PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER WHATEVER, 5.4 MILLION. 
          I CAN'T REALLY DO THE MATH BASED ON THESE CONVERSATIONS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH GETTING THROUGH PHASE TWO, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT, GIVES US SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT. 
          WE, MAYBE WE DON'T GET TO PLAY GAMES AT NIGHT. 
          HAS STAFF ENGAGED WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AND DISCUSSED GOING TO THE EDC FOR FUNDING? AND IF NOT, I MEAN, WHY NOT? UH, LOGAN? UH, THE ANSWER IS YES, UH, BUT I THINK WHAT HAS TO BE DEMONSTRATED IS HOW DOES IT SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT? UH, AND THAT HAS TO BE MADE CLEAR. 
          I THINK SOME OF THE PROJECTS LIKE, UH, FRANCIS SMART PARK, IT'S IN DOWNTOWN, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO HARE STREET THAT PROBABLY DOES, UH, PARKLAND ACQUISITION. 
          BUT CLEARLY WE SEE, YOU KNOW, THE B THEY HAVE THE ABILITY AND A, SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THINGS WHICH ARE BETTER, THE LIFESTYLES OF THE PEOPLE WHO, THE CITIZENS WHO LIVE HERE. 
          SO I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A AVENUE FOR, FOR FUNDING, RIGHT. 
          UH, WHICH SHOULDN'T BE IGNORED BECAUSE THERE'S SELF STACKED DOLLARS SITTING THERE AND NOT BEING USED. 
          SO, UM, AS WELL AS, AS WELL AS TOURNAMENTS AND ANYTHING THAT IS ALSO GOING TO THE PARK ON WEEKENDS OR USE, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BRING MORE DOLLARS FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IF I'VE, IF I'VE HEARD THE EDCS CORRECTLY, IT'S PROVED 
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TO ME THAT IT HAS AN ECONOMIC IMPACT WITH DATA. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WITH THE BALL FIELDS, SHOULD DAILY ALSO GET DONE, RIGHT? THERE'S A A SHOULD THERE THEN? YES, IT HAS A GREAT ECONOMIC IMPACT. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE COULD HOST TOURNAMENTS, WE COULD DO SOME OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, BUT RELATIVE TO, AND OPPOSED TO OTHER POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE GETTING ASKED TO, TO SUPPORT AND PARTICIPATE IN AS WELL. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE DO HAVE A MEETING WITH ONE OF THE EDC BOARDS. 
          UM, I BELIEVE IT'S IN TWO WEEKS IF MY MEMORY AND THE CALENDAR IN MY BRAIN WORKS OUTRIGHT. 
          UM, SO WE DO MEET WITH ONE OF THE EDC BOARDS, UM, TO GO DISCUSS ANY POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT THEY MAY BE INTERESTED IN FUNDING. 
          WELL, I THINK AS A MEMBER OF THE EDC BOARD, IT'S GONNA BE BETTER IF YOU AS STAFF, RIGHT, LOOKING AT THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE CITY AND THE DIRECTION YOU'RE GETTING FROM COUNCIL TO GO TO THE EDC. 
          'CAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE CITY AND THE PLAN AND ALL THESE SORTS OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. 
          THERE IS, UH, FUNDING AND SO FORTH THAT YOU HAVE THERE. 
          THEN THERE'S THE EDC THAT CAN HAVE PROJECTS, BUT THE EDCS AREN'T NECESSARILY JUST GOING TO COME UP WITH PROJECTS, RIGHT. 
          UNLESS THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRIGGERED BY SOMETHING. 
          SO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT BIG DISCUSSION. 
          I JUST ASK A QUESTION, RIGHT. 
          SO THERE, UH, THERE ARE CERTAINLY, THERE'S CERTAINLY THINGS THAT THE EDC CAN DO TO HELP. 
          AND, AND YES, SIR. 
          AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT HISTORICALLY WE HAVE DONE THAT. 
          AND SO WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE EDC IN-HOUSE STAFF FIRST BEFORE WE TAKE PROJECTS TO THE EDC BOARD TO DISCUSS. 
          AND WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. 
          AND THE E EDS AWARDS HAVE ELECTED TO SUPPORT PARKS IN SOME RESPECTS. 
          IN THE PAST, THE MOST PREVIOUS, UM, PROJECT LIST THAT WE TOOK TO THEM WAS WITHOUT A PARKS COMPONENT, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS HELD INTERNALLY AND IT WAS PRESENTED TOWARDS, UH, TO FOCUS ON THE LIVABLE CENTER STUDY AND WHAT WE COULD GET FROM THAT. 
          AND THAT'S HOW THE HARRIS STREET PROJECT WAS CHOSEN. 
          SO, BUT IT, LIKE, UH, TIFFANY SAID IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS WE DO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH THE EDC STAFF ALONG WITH ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TO DISCUSS THOSE POTENTIAL PROJECTS GOING FORWARD AS WELL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO COMING BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE COUNTY'S INVOLVEMENT IN THIS, HAVE WE EXPLORED THAT AVENUE AT ALL, OR? YES. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT PRIMROSE PARK, PART OF THAT LAND WAS DONATED TO THE CITY TO BUILD BALL FIELDS. 
          SO I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO BYRON LEGALLY IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT EVEN COULD BE, UM, BECAUSE THAT LAND WAS DONATED. 
          AND I DID TALK TO THE COMMISSIONER BRIEFLY AS WELL, UM, AS HE PURSUED PROJECTS. 
          UM, FOR THE COMMISSIONER, THE PRIORITY IN OUR COMMUNITY WAS, WAS ROADS AND MOBILITY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, UH, A LITTLE INSIGHT AS TO HOW THE COMMISSIONER'S, COMMISSIONER'S WORK IS THEY TRY TO GET TO, NOT EXACT DOLLARS PER PRECINCT, BUT THEY TRY TO GET CLOSE. 
          AND SO IN AREAS WHERE THERE WASN'T AS MANY MOBILITY PROJECTS, YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE MORE PARKS PROJECTS. 
          AND EVEN SOME OF THOSE PROJECTS WEREN'T CITIES. 
          UM, THEY WERE MUDS. 
          UM, THERE'S A, THERE'S A NUMBER OF PROJECTS WITHIN THAT. 
          WE CAN'T GET INTO THE MERITS AND THE DETAILS OF ALL OF THAT. 
          IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT COMMISSIONERS COURT THAT WORKS, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT ANOTHER TIME. 
          I'D LOVE TO. 
          WELL, I, I DON'T, BUT I, I THINK IT'S WORTHY. 
          I MEAN, I'M SITTING HERE, FREEDOM PARK, FREEDOM PARK TRAILS, HARLAN ROAD, PARK DAILY, PARK PRECINCT, ONE DOG PARK, JONES CREEK. 
          SOME OF THIS IS EVEN MAINTENANCE TO REDUCE SIDEWALKS AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, I MEAN, THE LIST GOES ON AND ON, AND I DON'T BELIEVE SHORE GOT NEAR WHAT ALL THE OTHER CITIES AROUND GOT. 
          SO IF WE HAVE A NEED, WE NEED TO START WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ALSO BECAUSE WE'RE ALL PAYING TAX DOLLARS TO THE COUNTY AND IT'S GOING FOR, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS. 
          YEAH, I THINK, I THINK IT'S, UH, I THINK IT'S A VALID POINT, BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S ON OUR CITIZENS AS WELL TO REACH OUT TO THEIR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THEN STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF IT, BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENCE BEING A CITY IN THE COUNTY VERSUS THE ACTUAL CITIZENS THAT ARE PAYING THE TAX TO THOSE COUNTIES. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          AND A AND A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS ARE WITHIN THE UNINCORPORATED PARTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY SAY SUGAR LAND, IT'S A SUGAR LAND ADDRESS, IT'S UNINCORPORATED. 
          THERE ARE SOME CITY PROJECTS, THERE ARE SOME MUD PROJECTS. 
          UM, MOST OF THE CITY PROJECTS ARE, ARE SMALLER CITIES. 
          UM, BUT THEY'RE, NONETHELESS THEY'RE THERE. 
          SO THAT, THAT BEING SAID, WHAT I HEAR FROM COUNCIL IS A CONSENSUS THAT WE WANT TO 
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ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF A PARK SPOT. 
          UM, WE NEED SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO PRIMROSE BEFORE A DECISION CAN BE MADE. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY VALUE IN ALL OF THE PROJECTS. 
          UM, MY QUESTION FOR COUNSEL IS, DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS OR OPINIONS RELATED TO PROJECTS OUTSIDE OF PRIMROSE THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS AT THIS TIME? YEAH, I'M NOT SURE EVEN I'M READY YET TO SAY THAT WE ARE READY FOR THE BARN QUOTE YET. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE READY TO THE BOND. 
          I'M SAYING WE HAVE AN APPETITE TO CONSIDER A BOND PACKAGE. 
          THERE'S NO, YEAH, THERE'S NO, HEY, WE'RE VOTING FOR A BOND PACKAGE IN MAY. 
          THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S THE APPETITE TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION, GET MORE INFORMATION, DRILL DOWN INTO THE NUMBERS. 
          UM, MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE, WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND PRIMROSE, UM, WE'VE EXPRESSED THAT THERE'S PROBABLY SOME INTEREST ON ACQUIRING SOME LAND IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT THE VALUE OF THAT IS. 
          UM, ARE THERE, DO WHAT I COULD SUPPORT MOST OF THE PROJECTS EXCEPT FOR THE LARGE STERN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE REC CENTER, UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY ON THE LAND IS IF WE DO ACQUIRE MORE LAND, ARE WE, I MEAN, ARE WE EVEN BEING STEWARD GOOD STEWARDS OF THE LAND WE CURRENTLY HAVE? SO WE HAVE, WE ALREADY HAVE PARK LAND THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY UNABLE TO MOVE FORWARD ON. 
          SO IT WORRIES ME THAT WE WOULD, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE CHEAPEST NOW TO GO GET IT, BUT IF WE CAN'T MOVE FORWARD ON THE PROJECTS THAT OF THE LAND WE ALREADY HAVE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A HARD, I THINK THE, I THINK THE OTHER, I THINK THE ONE ASPECT OF THAT IS, AND I MEAN WE'VE SEEN CASES LIKE THIS, LIKE CITY OF HOUSTON IS GOING BACK AND RECLAIMING AREAS AND THEY'RE DOING TRAILS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S LIKE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE FORESIGHT TO GO AHEAD AND PLAN FOR IT. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO, OR AT LEAST I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE WOULD DO IS GET AHEAD OF IT. 
          SO EVEN IF WE'RE NOT READY, AND EVEN THOUGH WE ARE PROGRESSING ON ONE PARK AND THEN OTHERS, UM, IF WE DON'T DO IT, THEY COULD ALL BE HOMES, BUSINESSES, AND ALL BE DONE AND THEN WE HAVE NO PLACE FOR IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I DON'T DISAGREE. 
          I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT, IT'S A HARDER SELL WHEN WE CAN'T, WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE PARKS THAT WE CAN'T PUT FORWARD. 
          YEAH. 
          WE CAN'T DEVELOP. 
          I, I WOULD, UH, AT LEAST MY ONLY COMMENT ON THE IRENE STERN, THE OUTSIDE STUFF, THE TRAILS AND FIELDS, I, I THINK THAT IS FINE. 
          I THINK IT GIVES IT A GOOD SPACE. 
          THE REC CENTER THING, I, I THINK THAT'S, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAD TO PUT THAT ON A SPECIFIC BOND ITEM, I DON'T THINK THAT ONE WOULD PASS EVEN IF IT WAS INCLUDED. 
          SO I WOULD STAY AWAY. 
          I, I GUESS FOR ME, I WANNA SEE AN UPDATED MASTER PLAN. 
          IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALREADY HAVE NUMBERS AND YOU'VE THOUGHT THROUGH THE DETAILS, BUT WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE BUYING? AND THAT SHOULD BE MORE DETAILED WITH PRIMROSE PARK. 
          SO WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT MORE SIDE ON PRIMROSE PARK. 
          WE KNOW WHAT OUR MONEY'S GONNA PAY FOR. 
          BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT, THAT WE NEED THAT NEW VISION ALONG WITH WHATEVER NUMBERS WE CAN, CAN PUT TO IT. 
          UM, I'M KIND OF WITH YOU. 
          WHY BUY LAND IF WE, WE, WE ALREADY HAVE THE EDCS HAVE LAND FROM THE OLD CITY HALL. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING, BUT WE HAVE LAND, SO BUY, BUY MORE LAND AND IT, IT WON'T HAVE LIGHTS. 
          WE HAVE BALL FIELDS. 
          BUT I WANNA SEE AN UPDATE IN MATT PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN AND PUT WHATEVER YOU THINK IN IT AND LET US, LET US LOOK AT THAT. 
          YEAH, I CONCUR WITH THE, UH, UPDATED MASTER, UM, MASTER PLAN FOR PARKS AND RECS. 
          UM, I DO THINK WE SHOULD STILL BE LOOKING FOR, AT LEAST LOOKING FOR LAND TO ACQUIRE THAT MAY BE FIT INTO OUR, UM, MASTER PLAN FOR THE CITY AS IT ALL. 
          UM, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF SMART PARK BECAUSE IT IS DOWNTOWN. 
          IT DOES PROVIDE SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT ALSO, UM, I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE VETERANS MEMORIAL AS WELL WITH THE SCOUTS. 
          AND IT'S A SMALLER GATHERING SPACE, BUT IT'S ALSO A REMEMBRANCE AREA THAT WILL BE MORE OF THE HEART OF DOWNTOWN. 
          'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT HEART RIGHT NOW IN DOWNTOWN WITH CITY HALL NOT BEING THERE. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I WOULD DEFINITELY NOT BE FOR REC CENTER. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO YMCA LIFETIME IF YOU WANT THAT, BRING IT TO THE CITY. 
          BUT OTHERWISE, I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID ABOUT PRIMROSE. 
          WE NEED LINE ITEMS. YEAH. 
          SO, UH, CLARIFYING ERIN HAS SOMETHING TO SAY. 
          I THINK, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THROUGH OUR LAST SLIDE TO NO DATES. 
          IF WE WERE TO HAVE A MAY 4TH ELECTION, YOU HAVE TO, THE COUNCIL HAS TO CALL FOR THE ELECTION BY THE 16TH OF FEBRUARY, MARCH 5TH IS THE LAST DAY TO GIVE NOTICE OF ELECTION TO THE COUNTY CLERK WITH THE ELECTION BEING MAY 4TH. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH THAT, WITH THAT BEING 
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SAID, UM, I THINK STAFF YOU KIND OF HEARD, UM, THE FEEDBACK. 
          I DO WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING. 
          UM, ARE WE ASKING FOR AN UPDATE TO THE MASTER PLAN? ARE WE A ASKING FOR AN UPDATE TO THE NUMBERS? BECAUSE THE MASTER PLAN ITSELF IS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE. 
          WHAT I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE ACTUALLY WANT AN UPDATE TO THE NUMBERS THAT ARE RELATED TO, UM, THE PROJECTS WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN AND THE CIP SPECIFICALLY FOR THESE PARKS PROJECTS. 
          UM, SO THE DRILL DOWN, UM, FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS ON NUMBERS AND EXPENSES, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE ACTUAL AS PHASE TWO SHOULD BE GETTING VERY CLOSE TO TRUE ESTIMATES OR PROJECTED AND EVEN A, THAT DIFFERENTIATION OF WHAT'S PROJECTED VERSUS ACTUAL. 
          I THINK THERE, THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE THERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE ADDING IN THINGS THAT WEREN'T THERE. 
          LIKE OH, I AGREE. 
          I I AGREE. 
          BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S DISCUSSED THAT'S NOT PART OF THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, BUT THEY MAY NOT HAVE NUMBERS TO THEM. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE NEED TO DRILL DOWN ON THE NUMBERS FOR THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY CONTAINED WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN. 
          I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. 
          IN ADDITION, I HAVE ONE THING TO SAY IS, UH, LET'S LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL SCOPE. 
          LET'S LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE EXISTING POINTS THAT WE HAVE, WHAT IT WOULD TAKE, AND THEN LOOK AT THE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS THAT WE WANT TO ADD TO THAT. 
          YEAH, SO THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL SCOPE WAS THE FOUR BALL FIELDS WITHOUT LIGHTS, WITHOUT SPRINKLERS, WITHOUT ANY UTILITIES. 
          UM, SO THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL SCOPE. 
          AND EVEN THE ORIGINAL SCOPE DIDN'T HAVE, UM, THE BALL COURTS. 
          THOSE WERE ADDED TO THE 2020. 
          I THINK MASTER PLAN IS WHEN THOSE GOT, NOW WE CONCEPTUALLY TALKED ABOUT, WELL IT WOULD NICE BE NICE TO HAVE SOME BALLPARKS. 
          IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE SOME PARKING. 
          UM, WE DID ADD THE, THE LITTLE BIT OF PARKING AND IN PHASE ONE FOR, UH, THE WALKING TRAIL THAT EXISTS THERE. 
          BUT IT'S, IT'S RIGHT, WE DID, BUT WE HAD SOME PICTURES EVEN FROM A CONCEPTUAL PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE PICTURES HAVE CHANGED. 
          I KNOW WE DISCUSSED THIS COLLEAGUES SHAKING HER HEAD. 
          WE DISCUSSED PARKING BECAUSE WE LIKE MM-HMM, , WHERE'S EVERYBODY GONNA PARK? AND IF WE'RE GONNA USE THESE FOR EVENTS. 
          SO I DON'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE MUCH TO UPDATE THE CO CONCEPTIONAL COM. 
          YOU'RE, YOU'RE RAISING YOUR EYEBROWS OUT THERE. 
          I CAN SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU WANT. 
          YEAH, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD. 
          BUT ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UH, CAN YOU FLIP BACK TO, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE? WELL, WELL, SO WHENEVER WE HAD THE MASTER PLAN IN 2020, WE HAD PICTURES YES. 
          OF PRIMROSE PARK AND IT HAD PARKING AND BALL FIELD. 
          IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT'S ACTUALLY SHOWN THERE. 
          YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          AND THEN WE HAD DETAILS THAT YES. 
          KIND OF SUMMED IT UP. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND IF THERE'S BEEN ANY CHANGES TO THE PICTURES, LET'S CHANGE THAT AND, AND, AND THEY'RE ALREADY CHANGED. 
          AND THEN ADD THE DETAIL. 
          YES, THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES. 
          UH, I THINK THE CHANGES ARE BETTER. 
          UH, IN THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT, WE HAD JUST ONE CONTINUOUS LONG ENTRY ROAD, HAD NO PARKING, LOADING THAT ROAD. 
          SO THAT'S JUST A COST OF A ROAD. 
          SO WE CAME BACK IN AND WE ADDED, WE CURVED THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT TO CALM DOWN THE, UH, DRIVE SPEEDS. 
          UH, HALFWAY THROUGH THE PROJECT, WE WERE ASKED TO MAKE THE BALL FIELDS 200 FEET. 
          ALL FOUR OF 'EM WERE 200 FEET IN THE CONCEPT. 
          TWO OF THE FIELDS ARE NOW 2 25 FOR COMPETITION TO MEET LITTLE LEAGUE. 
          UH, LITTLE LEAGUE. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THE MAYOR HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD THAT THOSE ARE CONCEPTS, THEY'RE CONCEPTUAL ESTIMATES. 
          THEY DIDN'T TAKE INTO A FAT, UH, INTO ACCOUNT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE, UH, ELECTRICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          AND SO YEAH, WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY KIND OF TRIED TO OPTIMIZE THE PLAN AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO MAKE IT BUILDABLE. 
          THE OTHER WAS JUST A CONCEPT. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT DETAIL THAT YOU JUST PROVIDED AND NOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONCEPTUAL AND YOU ONCE YOU GET INTO THE DETAILS OF PLAN TO THE PAPER. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, I, I GO BACK TO THE SAME THING I SAID EARLIER. 
          YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, I DON'T THINK WE, I'M IN FAVOR OF ADDING MORE TAXES TO THE CITIZENS. 
          WE, IF WE CAN STAY IN OUR BUDGET AND CAN ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE INITIALLY STARTED, WHATEVER DIFFERENCE WE MIGHT WANT THAT ONCE YOU GIVE US THE DETAILS, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT CAN AND WHAT CANNOT BE ADDED AND THEN, UH, WE CAN DECIDE IF IT'S WORTH GOING FOR IT OR NOT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT DETAIL. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YEAH, AND, AND YOU KNOW, AS SOMEONE THAT DOES PROVIDE SOME OF THOSE CONCEPTS AND SOME OF THOSE MAGNITUDE OF COSTS, WE DON'T GET A SURVEY. 
          WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING BASED ON AN AERIAL, A SITE VISIT. 
          AND THAT'S VERY MUCH WHAT WE KIND OF BACKED INTO. 
          SO THANK YOU TIME. 
          JUST ONE OTHER POINT THAT I THINK WE PROBABLY NEED TO GIVE SOME DIRECTION ON HERE, MAYOR, IS NOT ONLY WHERE WE'RE AT AND HOW WE FEEL ABOUT IT, BUT ALSO ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE THINK THAT THIS IS REALISTIC. 
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'CAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS I DON'T WANT STAFF GOING BACK THINKING, HEY, WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A PUMP FOR THE FOURTH AND THE 16TH AND WE'VE GOTTA DO ALL THIS WORK AND WE'VE GOTTA GET ALL THIS OUT. 
          AND WE'RE LIKE, NO, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT READY FOR THAT. 
          I DON'T WANT THEM WORKING ALL OF THAT TO DO THAT. 
          SO I THINK WE NEED A CONSENSUS OF DO WE WANT TO HAVE THIS IN MAY OR DO WE WANT TO PUSH IT FURTHER OUT? 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT READY BECAUSE I, I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE OVERBURDENED. 
          OR IF I, IF I MAY, ONE THING YOU COULD DO IS IF YOU WANNA PUMP THE BRAKES ON PRIMROSE BECAUSE THERE'S, IT'S A MUCH LARGER PARK, WHICH THE AMPHITHEATER NOT REALLY QUITE SETTLED YET. 
          YOU COULD DO THE OTHER PROJECTS OR SOME COMBINATION OF OTHER PROJECTS INSTEAD. 
          I THINK THE POINT, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PROJECT 'CAUSE WE ACTUALLY, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE WOULD DEFINE IN THE BOND AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DEFINE, THAT MAKES IT COMPLEX. 
          I THINK THE MORE CONCERNING PIECE IS TALKING ABOUT IT WITH THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY AND ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GETTING FORESTS AND ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN BROUGHT UP THAT THEY'RE GONNA PEG US WITH, THAT WE NEED TO GET ANSWERED TO AND TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH THAT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THEIR TAX DOLLARS. 
          THAT'S THE CONCERN. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, AND I THINK THERE, THE, HERE'S THE BIGGEST ISSUE, UH, THE WAY I SEE IT. 
          UM, NOT ONLY DID PARKS AND REC NOTE THAT PRIMROSE IS THE PRIORITY, WE'VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE THAT PRIMROSE IS GONNA BE DONE. 
          AND IN FACT, AT ONE TIME THERE WAS A PROJECTION THAT WE WERE GONNA BE PLAYING BALL THIS SPRING. 
          SO THE, THE PROBLEM IS, AND, AND THIS IS, I'LL JUST SAY MY COMPLETE FRUSTRATION ON PRIMROSE IS THERE'S BEEN ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY ON PRIMROSE. 
          AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO STEP UP AND OWN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE DELAYED THIS DESIGN, THAT WE HAVE DELAYED THIS PROJECT, AND THAT WE'RE EVEN HAVING THIS CONVERSATION TODAY BECAUSE IT'S TWO YEARS OLD. 
          UM, THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH PRIMROSE ITSELF. 
          WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ANYWHERE ELSE UNTIL WE GET PRIMROSE DONE BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN PROMISING PRIMROSE SINCE 2017 WHEN THE LAND WAS PURCHASED. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM IS, AND THAT'S WHY SO MUCH OF THE DISCUSSION IS CENTERED ON PRIMROSE. 
          BECAUSE PRIMROSE HAS CONTINUED TO BE DELAYED. 
          THE COST HAS CONTINUED TO ESCALATE. 
          AND SO WE FOUND OURSELVES IN A POSITION WHERE THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY DO PRIMROSE THE WAY THAT THE PUBLIC, THE RESIDENTS OF FULCHER WANT PRIMROSE, IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE GET THIS ON A BOND PACKAGE NOW. 
          SO MY RECOMMENDATION, TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH AS A LAME DUCK MAYOR, UM, IS YOU GOTTA MOVE ON PRIMROSE. 
          WE'VE GOTTA DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO START MOVING DIRT TO USE THE $6 MILLION THAT HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED. 
          IF WE'RE NOT GONNA GO TO BOND IN THE END OF FEBRUARY. 
          I MEAN, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA VOTE FOR A BOND BY FEBRUARY 16TH, WE'VE GOT TO GET MOVING WITH THAT PHASE TWO. 
          AND THAT MEANS IF WE COME BACK WITH A BOND PACKAGE IN NOVEMBER, THE NOVEMBER PACKAGE INCLUDES THE ESCALATION OF COST AND THE OTHER PROJECTS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          BUT IF WE THINK THAT WE'RE CLOSE TO BEING WRAPPING UP DESIGN AND BEING ABLE TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION AND START MOVING DIRT IN MAY, LET'S MOVE DIRT IN MAY. 
          IF COUNSEL GETS SATISFIED WITH THE NUMBERS AND IS COMFORTABLE ISSUING A BOND, UM, BY MAY, GREAT, BUT THEN IT'S GOTTA GO TO THE PUBLIC. 
          AND, AND IN MY OPINION, WHEN IT GOES TO THE PUBLIC, PRIMROSE IS AN E PRIMROSE IS THE EASIEST OF THEM TO SELL BECAUSE IT IS THE ONE THAT IS BEEN SO LONG IN THE WAITING AND THERE'S THE GR GREATEST DESIRE FOR, RIGHT? THERE WILL BE POCKETS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO WANT THE OTHER PROJECTS. 
          AND SO WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT, OKAY, WHAT IS REALLY TAKEN TO THE PUBLIC WITHIN THAT 5 CENT RANGE AND IS THERE AN APPETITE FOR ADDITIONAL PROJECTS? SO THAT'S MY OPINION AS IT IS IN THE STRUGGLE WITH SAYING, WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND THROW THE OTHER PROJECTS ON THE BOND THAT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE WE CAN'T KEEP KICKING PRIMROSE DOWN THE FIELD. 
          WE GOTTA MOVE ON PRIMROSE AND, AND THAT, SO PHASE TWO DESIGNS COMPLETE ALMOST, ALMOST, ALMOST. 
          SO 90%, 95%. 
          SO WE CANNOT POSTPONE CONSTRUCTION ON PHASE TWO WHILE WE SPEND A YEAR ON PHASE THREE DESIGN. 
          EITHER. 
          I MEAN, WE CANNOT JUST SAY, OKAY, NOW WE'RE GONNA GO DESIGN PHASE THREE FOR A YEAR AND NOT DO ANYTHING THAT, THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK EITHER. 
          [01:50:01]
RIGHT. 
          AND IF I MAY, THE MAYOR PUT IT MUCH MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN I EVER COULD. 
          HOWEVER, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS, PARKS AND RECS NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS PRIMROSE AND WE OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          THOSE THAT DONATED LAND AND, AND US TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT IT FOR SO LONG TO DELIVER ON THAT, WE JUST WANNA ENSURE THAT IT'S DONE TO MEET EXPECTATIONS AND DONE THE RIGHT WAY. 
          SO WHAT YOU ALL NEED TO SUPPORT WHAT THAT DIRECTION IS, UM, IS GREAT. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA SAY AS THE, THE MAYOR SAID, WE ON PARKS AND REC WOULD LOVE TO SEE PRIMROSE ACCOMPLISHED AND ACCOMPLISHED EFFECTIVELY, EFFICIENTLY, AND QUICKLY SO THAT WE CAN DELIVER COMMUNITY. 
          SO ALMOST WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT PRIMROSE NOW, INSTEAD OF THREE PHASES IS FOUR PHASES. 
          THERE'S THE, LET'S GET TWO DONE, GET THE BUILT THE FIELDS BUILT, GET THE DEAL, AND THEN BE READY TO BE ABLE TO INSTALL THE ELECTRICAL AND THE LIGHTS AND THE, YOU KNOW, AND WE MAY ESCALATE COST, BUT, AND THAT'S, AND AGAIN, IT STILL GOES BACK TO THE CONCERN 'CAUSE WE BUNDLED THEM TOGETHER AND NOW WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING, IN ORDER FOR US TO MAKE PROGRESS, BECAUSE WE ALSO DON'T HAVE THE FULL FUNDS FOR IT, WE ACTUALLY NEED TO GO BACK AND SEPARATE THEM APART. 
          SO NOW I'M KIND OF LIKE, WELL THE, THE ADDITIONAL 550,000 WE JUST APPROVED, I'M KIND OF LIKE, MAN, DO WE REALLY WANNA BE DOING THAT RIGHT NOW? WE SHOULD BE USING ALL THOSE FUNDS TO DO ALL THE CONSTRUCTION ON PHASE TWO SO THAT, SO WHAT IF THEY DON'T, CAN'T PLAY BALL AT NIGHT? AT LEAST THEY CAN PLAY BALL IN A FIELD AT SOME POINT SOON TO WHERE PEOPLE CAN START SEEING PROGRESS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S THE TYPE OF AREA THAT I'M AT IN, IN FRUSTRATION. 
          AND ALSO ALSO THE, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IS LIKE, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'RE READY FOR A BOND AND THEREFORE I WOULDN'T BE PUSHING, FOCUSING ON A, A BOND REFERENDUM FOR THE FOURTH OR THE 16TH. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE DEVELOPER THERE. 
          THE DESIGN ENGINEERS, YEAH, MR HALF. 
          UH, IF WE WERE TO BUILD WALL FIELDS AND EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW AT THE $6 MILLION WHEN WE GO THROUGH TO RUN ELECTRIC THROUGH THERE, ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO TEAR 'EM ALL UP AGAIN? NO, SIR. 
          THE CURRENT DESIGN, UH, ACCOUNTS FOR CONDUIT FOR FUTURE SPORTS WHEEL LIGHTING. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THE SPORTS WHEEL LIGHTING WAS A BIG TICKET NUMBER. 
          SO THAT'S IN THE 6 MILLION. 
          YES SIR. 
          THE CONDUIT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK ALL RIGHT. 
          CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          UH, I, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN AT LEAST GET THE PRIMROSE DETAIL OUT TO COUNSEL, I THINK IS WHAT I'M HEARING, UM, AND CONTINUE TO DRILL DOWN ON THE NUMBERS, UH, TO UPDATE, UM, WITHIN THE PLAN. 
          SO YEAH, JUST DON'T BURN THE MIDNIGHT OIL AT THIS POINT. 
          I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HIT THE FEBRUARY DEADLINE ANYWAY. 
          YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, I DON'T THINK THE PRESSURE IS ON TO MEET A FEBRUARY 4TH DEADLINE. 
          SO, OR FEBRUARY, UH, MR. KBI DID BRING A GOOD POINT UP ABOUT THE, UH, EXTRA PHASE THREE DESIGN DOLLARS THAT WE JUST ALLOCATED TO, UM, IN THE EARLIER APPROVAL. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO RELOOK? IS THERE A POSSIBILITY WE CAN, UH, COUNSEL MAY ADVISE? YEAH. 
          SO, UM, TO TAKE UP SOMETHING THAT OUR ACTION HAS ALREADY BEEN TAKEN ON, UH, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, WHICH WOULD NEED TO PASS BY A SUPER MAJORITY AND THEN IT COULD BE DISCUSSED AND ACTED ON AGAIN. 
          'CAUSE I DO SEE A, A REASONABLE EFFORT HERE THAT IF WE ARE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO, UM, USE THEM ANYTIME SOON, JUST HAVING THE DESIGN READY INSTEAD WE COULD USE THEM FOR A BETTER PURPOSE OF, UH, PHASE TWO COMPLETION. 
          I THINK THE COUNTER POTENTIALLY, THE, THE COUNTER ARGUMENT WOULD BE THAT IF WE ARE TRYING TO GO TO BOND IN NOVEMBER, UH, WITH A NINE MONTH OR EVEN 12 MONTH DESIGN TIME, UM, A NOVEMBER BOND ISSUANCE, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO EXPEND THE $500,000 PRIOR TO THAT, UM, NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO SPEND THOSE FUNDS FOR ANOTHER YEAR. 
          SO YOU'RE GETTING INVOLVED AND LET'S, LET'S ALSO BE CLEAR, WE ALWAYS GET SURPRISES AT THE END OF DESIGN PHASE ON WHAT THE INTENDED CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE. 
          SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO PROCEED FORWARD THROUGH DESIGN. 
          YEAH, I I I THINK YOU'RE, I UNDERSTAND THE POINT I, THERE THERE'S A RISK. 
          NO, I DON'T MIND. 
          I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY OF COMPLETING PHASE TWO BECAUSE, UH, JUST THE LIGHTING IS GONNA BE 900,556,000 RIGHT HERE. 
          THAT MIGHT GET US FURTHER ALONG. 
          OKAY. 
          . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, DISCUSSION IS COMPLETE ON THE GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND. 
          UM, COUNSEL, I THANK YOU, TIFFANY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU TIFFANY. 
          UM, MR. IGAR, YOU COULD ALWAYS BRING THAT MOTION TO 
          [01:55:01]
RECONSIDER ITEM B SHOULD YOU CHOOSE ITEM D CONSIDERATION 
          [BUSINESS - D]
POSSIBLE ACTION OF APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH SIX 10 EXHIBITS A AND B RELATED TO THE NOMINATION OF CANDIDATE SERVICE DIRECTOR OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE NORTH FORT BEND WATER AUTHORITY DIRECTOR PRECINCT NUMBER SEVEN. 
          UM, AS YOU MAY RECALL, MS. HOLLINGSWORTH HAS SERVED AS OUR REPRESENTATIVE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW SINCE LEAVING COUNCIL. 
          UM, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU EITHER HAD TO HAVE BEEN A MUD DIRECTOR OR SERVED ON CITY COUNCIL OR AS MAYOR OF FULCHER IN ORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD. 
          I BELIEVE MS. HOLLINGSWORTH HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST TO CONTINUE IN THAT FUNCTION. 
          UM, BUT WE ARE FIVE OR SIX VOTES OUT OF 28, I BELIEVE, FOR THAT POSITION OR SOMETHING SIMILAR. 
          SO CHAIR? YEP. 
          YOU, YOU, YOU'VE SUMMED IT UP VERY WELL, MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THE, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD ADD IS THAT, UH, IT IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR A NOMINATION. 
          SO THAT DOES HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE VOTING PROCESS WITHIN THE PRECINCT. 
          SO, UM, SO THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE, YOU WILL NAME A, A CANDIDATE FOR NOMINATION TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR THE NORTH FORT BEND WATER AUTHORITY. 
          UH, SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THAT RESOLUTION, NAMING THE CANDIDATE, AND THEN ALSO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AND THE CITY SECRETARY TO ATTEST TO THE EXHIBIT A, WHICH IS THE CERTIFICATION OF THE RESOLUTION, NOMINATING THE CANDIDATE. 
          AND THEN ITEM THREE WOULD BE TO DIRECT STAFF TO COMPLETE EXHIBIT B, WHICH IS THE 2023 POAGE REPORT, WHICH IS THEIR A REPORT FOR THE ANNUAL PUMP FOR THE YEAR. 
          THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE FOR VOTING. 
          BYRON, DO WE NEED THREE MOTIONS ON THIS OR CAN BE ONE SUMMED UP TOGETHER? UH, IT CAN BEGIN AS ONE MOTION AND IT COULD BE SEPARATED IF NEED BE AFTER THAT. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          MAYOR, I MOVE COUNSEL, APPROVE RESOLUTION 2024 DASH SIX 10 NOMINATING MS. HOLLINGSWORTH, I DIDN'T CATCH HER FIRST NAME. 
          DANA. 
          DANA HOLLINGSWORTH, UH, FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE NORTH FOR BEND WATER AUTHORITY AS WELL AS AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AND THE CITY SECRETARY TO ATTEST TO EXHIBIT A CERTIFICATION AND RESOLUTION NOMINATING CANDIDATE FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF NORTH FORT BEND WATER AUTHORITY AND DIRECTING STAFF TO COMPLETE EXHIBIT B 2023 POAGE REPORT. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2024 DASH SIX 10. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THERE IS NONE. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES ITEM E CONSIDERATION AND 
          [BUSINESS - E]
POSSIBLE ACTION TO APPROVE TO AUTHORIZE THE EXECUTION OF PERMIT TRANSFER APPLICATION OF AN APPLICATION FOR A-T-P-D-E-S PERMIT. 
          MAJOR AMENDMENT FOR THE CROSS CREEK RANCH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT WQ 0 0 1 4 7 5 0 0 1. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, UM, THE CROSS CREEK RANCH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS CURRENTLY AT A 2.0 MILLION GALLON A DAY CAPACITY WITH A 0.5 THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING DECOM BEING DECOMMISSIONED. 
          SO THE, UM, THERE WAS A, A PERMANENT EXPANSION FOR THAT, THAT WAS ALSO, THAT WAS DONE THROUGH THE MUNICIPAL UTILITY DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY ARE ACTUALLY THE CO-OWNER OF THE PERMIT RIGHT AT THE MOMENT. 
          SO TO MAKE THIS, THE EXPANSION OF THE, OF THE CROSS CREEK PLANT, BASED ON OUR CURRENT CIP APPROVAL TO EXPAND, UH, ANOTHER 1 MILLION GALLON A DAY, THAT TAKES ANOTHER AMENDMENT TO THE PERMIT. 
          BUT THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS ALSO RENEWS THE PERMIT. 
          SO THE PERMIT DOES EXPIRE IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR. 
          UM, EXCUSE ME. 
          SO THE, THE ACTUAL APPLICATION NOW HAS A COUPLE OF COMPONENTS TO IT. 
          SO FIRST COMPONENT IS TO CHANGE THE OWNERSHIP TO A, TO THE CITY ONLY AND TAKE THE MUD OFF. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE THAT SIGNED DOCUMENT FROM THE MUD TO DO THAT. 
          UH, AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS TO MAKE THE MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE PERMIT, WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY RENEW THE PERMIT AS WELL. 
          SO THIS WILL TAKE THIS, THE PLANT AFTER THE DECOMMISSIONING TO A 3.0 MGD PLANT. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT THE ENTIRE PACKET IS ALL ABOUT. 
          BUT FOR TONIGHT, UH, WE ARE ASKING FOR, UH, YOU ALL TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THOSE PAGES IN THE DOCUMENT THAT ARE NECESSARY TO, UH, COMPLETE THE APPLICATION AND SUBMIT IT. 
          UH, THE APPLICATION I WILL JUST FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, THE APPLICATION IN THE PACKET IS NOT WHAT IS CURRENTLY GOING TO BE SUBMITTED. 
          'CAUSE THERE HAS BEEN SOME UPDATES TO THE PACKET ALREADY. 
          UH, ONE OF THOSE IS THE EXHIBIT THAT OUTLINES THE SERVICE AREA. 
          SO WE'VE MADE THOSE FINAL AMENDMENTS TODAY, SO IT'S READY TO GO AND IT'S, AND IT IS ACCURATE. 
          SO, AND THE OTHER PART OF THAT WAS SOME MAIN 
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MINOR STUFF, UH, RELATED TO ADDRESSING OF THE CITY SINCE WE MOVED CITY HALL AND SOME THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          BUT OTHERWISE, THE TECHNICAL COMPONENTS ARE ACCURATE AS SHOWN IN THE, IN THE APPLICATION. 
          MAYOR, MOVE COUNSEL AUTHORIZED THE MAYOR TO SIGN THE APPLICATIONS IN THE APPROPRIATE PLACES TO COMPLETE THE PERMIT TRANSFER APPLICATION IN THE T-P-D-E-S MAJOR AMENDMENT APPLICATION FOR THE CROSS CREEK RANCH WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION ON MS. CAN I SECOND BY MS. KATES, UH, TO AUTHORIZE THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE PERMIT TRANSFER APPLICATION, UH, AN APPLICATION FOR TBDS PERMIT, MAJOR AMENDMENT. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THERE IS NONE. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          ITEM F DISCUSSION 
          [BUSINESS - F]
REGARDING A TRUE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE. 
          SO THIS HAS BEEN PUT ON, UM, COUNSEL FOR DISCUSSION, UM, WITH MYSELF AND COUNCIL MEMBER POOLE, UM, WHO SECOND IT. 
          AND AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MS. RAMONA RIDGE OR MR. AND MR. JOHN MCCANN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, IF THAT'S PERMISSIBLE. 
          MAYOR, YES, PLEASE. 
          JUST QUICKLY, I'D LIKE TO SAY WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS 10 YEARS AGO OR 15 YEARS AGO. 
          THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR OLD, UM, TREES THAT MAKE RE BEAUTIFUL AND ARE, ARE BEING TORN DOWN CONSTANTLY. 
          AND IT'S SO SAD AND IT'S, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF SMALL TREES, IT'S A MATTER OF BIG, THE, THE PATRIARCH TREES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. 
          I HEAR PEOPLE MOVE OUT HERE ALL THE TIME BECAUSE OF ITS BEAUTY AND IT'S BEING DESTROYED AND TURNED INTO STRIP CENTERS. 
          AND I FIND THAT INCREDIBLY SAD AND, UM, IRRESPONSIBLE ON OUR PART OF SAVING THE GOD-GIVEN BEAUTY OF FULL SURE. 
          AND REPLACING IT WITH CONCRETE AND STRIP CENTERS, WHICH THEY WILL BE THERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE TREE IN FRONT OF THE STRIP CENTER, KEEP THE TREE IN THE PARKING LOT. 
          THERE'S NO REASON EXCEPT BREED ON, ON THE PART OF A LOT OF DEVELOPERS TO RIP THEM DOWN. 
          AND IT'S PART OF WHAT GIVES CHARACTER OUR CHARACTER, UH, TO FUL. 
          SURE. 
          AND THE CHARM. 
          JD. 
          I'M JD MCCANN. 
          UM, I KNOW 10 OR FELL 12, 15 YEARS AGO, WE TRIED TO PASS A TREE ORDINANCE AND IT JUST GOT TOTALLY OUTTA HAND. 
          I MEAN, DOWNTOWN DISTRICT GOT IN IT. 
          THEY WANTED TO PUT SO MANY PARKING SPOTS, SO MANY TREES. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. 
          WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH SAVING THESE TREES THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 200 YEARS. 
          UH, SARAH CAME DOWN AND LOOKED AT WHAT HAPPENED AT THE FRED BRA PROPERTY AT THE END OF THE CHANGE LINE. 
          UH, THAT WAS COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF EVERY TREE WHERE THE HOUSES WERE GONNA BE BUILT. 
          SOME OF THESE TREES HAVE TO HAVE BEEN 150 YEARS OLD. 
          UM, I'VE GOT SOME OF THE LARGEST LIVE OAK TREES ON JAMES LANE BECAUSE I TRIM 'EM. 
          Y'ALL HAVE A BALLPARK THAT WE PLANTED TREES ON. 
          IN 1986, THEY WERE IN THREE GALLON CONTAINERS AND THEY WERE ABOUT KNEE HIGH, MAYBE WAIST HIGH. 
          TODAY, THOSE TREES HAVE NEVER EVER BEEN TRIMMED. 
          AND THE MORE YOU TRIM 'EM, THE BIGGER THEY GET AND THE QUICKER THEY GET. 
          ALL THOSE TREES WERE PLANTED BASICALLY IN THE SAME YEAR. 
          UM, AND GETTING BACK TO THE TREES THAT GOT TORN DOWN. 
          THESE WERE NATIVE PECAN TREES AND THEY ONLY GROW ALONG RIVER BEDS AND CREEK BEDS. 
          THEY DON'T DRAW ON THE PRAIRIE. 
          THEY GROW DOWN IN THE RIVER BOTTOMS WHERE THE CLAY IS. 
          AND I, I KNOW A DEVELOPER HAS THE RIGHT TO GO IN AND BUY A PIECE OF LAND AND CLEAR IT COMPLETELY, BUT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS RIGHT. 
          DOUG KANAKA DID IT OVER HERE AT FHI RUN ON FRANCIS SMART'S PROPERTY. 
          THOSE WERE SOME OF THE TREES THAT WERE GROWN ALONG BESSIE'S CREEK TO THE SOUTH OF HER PROPERTY. 
          ANYWAY, UM, ANOTHER INSTANCE IS RIGHT THERE AT HUGGINS ROAD WHERE THREE OR TWO HUGE WATER OAKS WERE TAKEN DOWN SO Y'ALL COULD STRAIGHTEN OUT SO THE CITY COULD STRAIGHTEN OUT THE ROAD RIGHT THERE. 
          MY FATHER PLANTED THOSE WATER OAKS WHEN I WAS A CHILD, 
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AND THOSE WATER OAKS WERE PROBABLY 60 FEET TALL, 60 FOOT CALIPERS. 
          I MEAN, THEY WERE HUGE. 
          AND THERE AGAIN, THEY'RE SOME MORE DESTRUCTIVE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HAPPENED. 
          AND IT, IT WAS TOTALLY UNNECESSARY JUST TO STRAIGHTEN A LITTLE CURVE OUT IN A ROAD THAT'S BEEN THERE THE ENTIRE TIME THAT ROAD'S BEEN THERE. 
          IT, IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE TREE. 
          IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE WILDLIFE THAT LIVES IN THESE TREES. 
          UH, I TAKE TREES PERSONALLY BECAUSE I HAVE DEALT WITH THEM SO MUCH. 
          UH, I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF OUR FISHER CEMETERY COMMITTEE. 
          I JUST HAD TO GO IN THERE AND TAKE DOWN ABOUT, WELL, I DIDN'T, BUT WE VOTED TO HAVE SOME TREES TAKEN DOWN. 
          IT DID NOT MAKE IT THROUGH THE DROUGHT 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT 'EM TO FALL ON THE HEADSTONES. 
          SO WE HAD TO TAKE DOWN ABOUT SIX TREES AND UH, MOST OF 'EM WERE DEAD ANYWAY, JUST TO THE EAST OF THE CEMETERY. 
          THERE'S A CHURCH GOING IN AGAIN. 
          THREE OF OUR LOVA LIVE OAK TREES WERE DESTROYED. 
          AND THOSE TREES HAVE NEVER BEEN TRIMMED. 
          IF YOU TRIM 'EM, THEY WILL GROW UP AND THEIR BRANCHES WILL GET BIGGER. 
          IF YOU DON'T TRIM 'EM, THEY'RE GONNA BECOME A BUSH AND THEY'LL JUST SIT THERE. 
          THEY DON'T GROW. 
          I MEAN, TALK TO ANY TREE PERSON, THEY'LL TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO TRIM THESE TREES. 
          SO Y'ALL THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING WITH PRIMROSE PARK. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY 18 TREES THERE THAT WE PLANTED ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WILL TAKE A TREE ORDINANCE INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          THE CITY OF ROCKPORT HAS 'EM BECAUSE THE WIND BLOWS THEIR TREES AND THEY WON'T LET YOU CUT A TREE DOWN IN THE CITY OF ROCKPORT WITHOUT A PERMIT. 
          UH, THERE'S OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, PERMITS, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE BEFORE YOU CAN DESTROY A TREE. 
          SO ANYWAY, I'M JUST ASKING Y'ALL TO PLEASE TAKE THESE TREES INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          IT'S SAD WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE FRED BRAY PROPERTY. 
          AND THE DEVELOPER WILL GO BACK IN AND THEY WILL BRING A SPADE TRUCK IN AND PLANT A TREE. 
          IT'LL TAKE 60 YEARS FOR THAT TREE TO GET AS BIG AS THOSE PECAN TREES WERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS JOHN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE, I'VE PUT SOME PICTURES UP HERE THAT I WENT OUT. 
          THIS IS THE BRACE TRACK. 
          UM, AFTER IT'S BEEN CLEARED, IT'S LAND. 
          SO I WENT OUT THERE. 
          JESUS, IF YOU JUST DO THE NEXT ONE OVER, YOU'LL SEE ANOTHER ANGLE OF IT. 
          THIS IS THOSE LARGE PECAN TREES THAT WERE A CLEAR CUT. 
          AND AS, UH, MR. MCCANN ALSO REFERENCED, UM, PREVIOUSLY FULCHER RUN WAS ALSO CLEAR CUT OF THE MAJORITY OF THE PECAN TREES. 
          THERE WERE SOME THAT WERE KEPT IN THE, UM, DRAINAGE AREAS, WHICH WAS APPRECIABLE. 
          WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER, UM, AS A BIT OF A DISCUSSION HERE, IS PART OF THAT TREE TRIMMING, WHICH IS MR. MCCANN ALSO, UM, MENTION. 
          AND, UM, MS. BARRON, YOU ALSO DID SAY, ARE WE BEING PROPER STEWARDS OF OUR PARKLAND TODAY? WE'RE NOT, IF WE'RE NOT MAINTAINING THOSE LARGE TREES TO ENCOURAGE THEIR GROWTH, BUT I THINK FOR SURE WE WANNA HAVE, UM, THAT CHARACTER OF COUNTRY. 
          AND YES, I DO AGREE WE ARE COASTAL PRAIRIE BY OUR ENVIRONMENT AND OUR BIO CLIMATE. 
          HOWEVER, THESE LARGER TREES THAT ARE A HUNDRED YEAR OLD PLUS SHOULD BE PRESERVED AS LONG AS OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE HEALTHY AND NOT, UM, AT RISK TO PUBLIC, UM, DESTRUCTION. 
          THEIR OTHER, UM, TREE OF NOTE THAT YOU MAY OR NOT BE AWARE OF IN THE CITY OF RE IS ON SHADY LANE. 
          THEY HAVE A LARGE TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD WITH EITHER ROADS GOING EITHER SIDE OF IT, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A CHARACTER. 
          AND I'VE SEEN IT IN A NUMBER OF PLACES IN OTHER CITIES AS WELL. 
          SO WHILE YOU MAY WANT TO AUTOMATICALLY CUT DOWN A TREE TO MAKE A ROAD STRAIGHT, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS AS WELL WITH PUBLIC SAFETY, OBVIOUSLY, NUMBER ONE. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANNA MAINTAIN SOME OF THE CHARACTER THAT WE DO HAVE OF OUR CITY. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, NICKEL AND DIME PEOPLE. 
          WE WANT. 
          IT'S ONE OF THOSE BIG ONES. 
          WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REPLACE IT WITH DRUNK TREES, WHICH WE DO HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCE, WHICH EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. 
          UM, BUT JUST IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT? I THINK YES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO MAINTAINING OUR CURRENT TREES. 
          AND THEN ALSO MAYBE WE DO NEED TO REVISIT THE CLEAR CUTTING, DIRECT CLEAR CUTTING AS THESE NEW DEVELOPERS COME, DEVELOPMENTS COME IN. 
          WE DON'T HAVE VERY MANY, VERY MUCH LAND IN THE CITY LIMITS TODAY TO PROTECT. 
          SO I, I KNOW THAT IN THE CREATION OF THE CDO, WE TRIED TO TAKE UP TREE PRESERVATIONS TO, TO AN EXTENT, UM, WITHIN THE CDO THOUGH. 
          UM, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS JUST REMINDING MYSELF WHAT THE, THE NOTES ON THAT ARE. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S A COUPLE PLACES YOU CAN EASILY LOOK WITHIN THE CDO 
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TO FIND THOSE TREE PRESERVATION SECTIONS. 
          UM, BUT WITHIN THAT, REALLY THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE SIMPLY INCENTIVIZE THE LANDOWNER FOR KEEPING THOSE LARGE TREES. 
          UM, THAT'S THE, THERE'S AN INCENTIVE THERE TO DO IT, BUT THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT TO PRESERVE. 
          SO, YEAH. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY AS A FELLOW TREE LOVER AND AMATEUR ARBORIST, I LOVE THIS. 
          I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          I DEFINITELY SEE TRIMMING OF TREES AS JUST SEEING FULL GROWTH ON THEM. 
          UM, I I DO THINK, UM, AS I THINK WE ALL JUST GOT THIS TODAY, IF I'M NOT WRONG, SO IT WASN'T IN OUR PACKET, UM, I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE SOME TIME TO REVIEW IT IN DETAIL. 
          I WAS ALREADY LOOKING AT A COUPLE THINGS IN HERE, WHICH I, I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE A LITTLE BIT CLEARER, UM, SPECIFICALLY FROM A PENALTY PERSPECTIVE. 
          'CAUSE WHAT ARE YOU GONNA HAVE AN ORDINANCE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PENALTY AND IT MEANS ANYTHING? UM, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC ON THE CLASS OF THE MISDEMEANOR, UH, TO BE CLEAR. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO THE ACTUAL FINE ITSELF I THINK WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          AND THE FINE NEEDS TO BE SUBSTANTIAL ENOUGH WHERE IT IS ACTUAL A DETERRENT. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK A DEVELOPER OR SOMEBODY COMING IN IF THEY HAD A FINE FOR $50 FOR REMOVING 150 YEAR OLD TREE IS GONNA EVEN CARE ABOUT THAT. 
          SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PUT INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, FOR IT. 
          BUT I DEFINITELY 100% SUPPORT, UH, AN ORDINANCE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I WOULD NOTE THAT OUR, THAT OUR CDO DOES SAY YOU CANNOT REMOVE A TREE UNLESS IT'S PART OF A PERMIT, UM, AS FAR AS THAT CLEAR CUT OR ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          SO IT IS, IT IS CON THERE, THERE IS THE MEANS, UM, WITHIN THE CEO TO SUPPORT, UH, TO ENFORCE SUCH AN ORDINANCE. 
          I WOULD PUT FORTH, MAYBE WE COULD CONSIDER A TREE REGISTRY FOR THE SIGNIFICANT TREES. 
          THE CITY OF HOUSTON HAS ONE OF THESE. 
          AND SO CITIZENS DEVELOPERS CAN INPUT ON AN ONLINE FORM THAT SIGNIFIES HOW HOW BIG THE TREE IS, ET CETERA, GIVES, UM, MEASUREMENT, HOW YOU MEASURE TREES, ET CETERA. 
          SO NOW THEY HAVE, YEAH, I LOOKED AT, CITY OF HOUSTON'S IS ABOUT SIX PAGES RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE TALKING PRETTY SIGNIFICANT TREES. 
          I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD BE EVERY TREE. 
          YOU KNOW, NOT EVERY HOMEOWNER'S GONNA HAVE TO GO OUT AND MEASURE THEIR TREES. 
          THESE ARE LIKE THE REALLY SIGNIFICANT ONES THAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO PRESERVE A HUNDRED OLD GROWTH TREES. 
          SO I WAS JUST ASKING, UM, TO PUT THE BIG TREE ON THERE WE GO ALONG WITH JOHN NEXT TO IT. 
          THANKS. 
          I THINK I JUST NEED TIME TO LOOK AT THIS. 
          AND I THINK AS I, I AM SUPPORTIVE OF PRE PRESERVATION. 
          I DO THINK THAT IT CAN ALSO, IF YOU DON'T THINK IT THROUGH IT CAN HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS COME BACK, WHICH MAYBE ARE NOT, UH, GOOD. 
          I, I REMEMBER 2015, I REMEMBER SEVERAL, SEVERAL, UM, I EVEN, I HAD A PERSONAL SITUATION WITH A HOUSE, BUT I'M, I'M NOT GOING TO GONNA BRING THAT ONE UP, BUT I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S SOME THINGS, IF WE DON'T THINK THROUGH, FOR EXAMPLE, PRIMROSE PARK, DO WE HAVE ANY TREES THERE THAT, THAT WE WILL BE PUTTING A BALL FIELD OVER. 
          SO, SO SEE, I THINK THAT IF IT, ONCE WE DO THIS, WE REALLY NEED TO BE THOUGHTFUL ABOUT IT AND NOT, UH, AND MAKE SURE IT WORKS AND NOT BE OVERLY BURDENSOME. 
          SO YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD, I THINK A REGISTRY WOULD HELP IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE. 
          AGREE. 
          SO YOU WOULD KNOW THE SIGNIFICANT TREES. 
          AND THEN IF A DEVELOPER OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT COMES, THEN WE HAVE A LIST THAT WE CAN LOOK TO AND WE CAN TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME TO CONSIDER. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHETHER WE DO WANNA REMOVE IT OR NOT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO CITY TESTIMONY, CIS YES. 
          SO I, UH, TOOK A LOOK AT, UH, SOME CITIES IN THE STATE OF TEXAS RIGHT. 
          THAT HAVE, UH, A PRESERVATION LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE, UH, PARTICIPATING. 
          SO THERE'S QUITE A FEW. 
          ADDISON AUSTIN, BRIAN BURLESON, CEDAR HILL COLLEGE STATION, SO FORTH, CORPUS CHRISTI, PORT, YOU KNOW, AND SAN ANTONIO. 
          AND THEN I WENT IN AND STARTED LOOKING AT SAN ANTONIO AND THEIR ORDINANCE MUST BE LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, I'M GUESSING 20 SOMETHING PAGES. 
          SO, UH, IT'S EXTENSIVE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S SIGNIFICANT. 
          SO TO YOUR POINT ABOUT BEING THOUGHTFUL AND CONSIDERATE ABOUT HOW WE GO FORWARD, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          UM, BUT THERE ARE, I THINK THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO TRY AND ACHIEVE, BUT NOT EVERYTHING THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY THROW 
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UNDER THERE. 
          LIKE, UH, LIKE, UH, THE CITY OF SAN ANTONIO HAS, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT, UH, IT COULD BE, UH, BURDENSOME, RIGHT? AND, UH, I MEAN, IT WILL BE SOMEWHAT BURDENSOME AND IT WILL COST, UH, ADDITIONAL MONEY, UH, FOR EMPLOYEES TO OVERSEE THE, THE, THE PRESERVATION, WHATEVER STIPULATIONS ARE IN THERE, THE PERMITTING, THE SO FORTH AND SO ON. 
          SO WE JUST NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF HOW BIG OF A DEAL IT'S RIGHT. 
          AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GO ABOUT MAYBE PUTTING A GROUP OF PEOPLE TOGETHER TO CONSIDER DRAFTING THE KEY COMPONENTS OF AN ORDINANCE OR HOW, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT THAT? 'CAUSE I MEAN, AS A COUNCIL, WE CAN'T SIT HERE AND DO THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO I'M HEARING THERE'S AN APPETITE, UM, TO CONSIDER A TREE ORDINANCE. 
          UM, WE'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET TO WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT ARE. 
          UM, AND, UM, SO WE WILL, UH, BEGIN TO ADDRESS HOW DO WE, HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD? WE DO HAVE A DRAFT FROM THE 2015 ORDINANCE. 
          AT LEAST WE HAVE A PLACE TO BEGIN FROM, SO, OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, YES. 
          SPECIFICITY REQUEST. 
          ARE YOU REQUESTING STAFF TO START PREPARING SOMETHING? THIS IS SOME KIND OF A BASELINE OR, UM, LET'S, LET'S HAVE SOME, LET'S HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH, UM, MAYBE LET'S, LET'S, LET'S LET SARAH TAKE LEAD SINCE SHE BROUGHT THIS FIRST OF ALL, AND WORK WITH STAFF TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          LET, LET'S WALK THROUGH MOVING FORWARD, UM, VERSUS JUST HERE. 
          GO DO IT. 
          UM, I, I THINK THERE'S GONNA BE, NEED TO BE SOME RESEARCH, UM, AS TO WHAT KIND OF PENALTIES CAN BE ENFORCED. 
          UM, IF THE STATE HAS ANY PREEMPTION IN THIS, UM, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          IF, IF THE BILL THAT'S BEING CHALLENGED CURRENTLY, UM, PASSES, THEN A TREE ORDINANCE WILL NOT MATTER. 
          UM, BECAUSE THE STATE IS GOING TO PREEMPT THAT ORDINANCE IMMENSELY. 
          SO WE NEED TO SEE, WE NEED TO DO SOME, WELL, THERE DOES, THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME LEGAL WORK ON THE PREEMPTION. 
          WHAT CAN WE DO AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT GOES? UM, THERE'S, THERE IS THE REALITY THAT, UM, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, ONE OF THOSE TREES MAY GET REMOVED AT SOME POINT IN TIME. 
          SO, OKAY, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE COMPENSATION FOR THAT REMOVAL OF THAT TREE? UM, ALL OF THE, THERE, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT THAT GOES INTO PRESERVING THAT TREE. 
          AND SO, UH, I DON'T WANT TO JUST SAY, HERE, GO DO IT. 
          I WANT TO SAY, LET'S FIGURE OUT A PATH FORWARD. 
          UM, AND IF COUNSEL'S AMENABLE, MAYBE, UM, FOR LIAISON FROM COUNSEL, SARAH B. 
          POINT ON THAT SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION AT THIS TIME. 
          AND DO YOU HAVE CYCLES THROUGHOUT CYCLES? AVAILABILITY, YEAH. 
          BANDWIDTH, RESOURCES, RESOURCE. 
          SO LEGAL, WE MAY HAVE TO OUTSOURCE. 
          SO WE DO HAVE THAT CONTRACT WHERE WE CAN, IF IT, SO HOW WILL THE REST OF COUNSEL WILL WE JUST WAIT FOR THEM TO COME BACK? YEAH. 
          CAN WE PROVIDE ANY INPUT? YOU CAN PROVIDE INPUT TO SARAH AND TO SARAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN WE'LL GO, WE'LL GO FROM THAT POINT. 
          EVERYBODY'S DON'T, DON'T WE HAVE, UH, UH, AREN'T WE GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE THERE IF WE'RE PROVIDING INPUT ON AN ISSUE OUTSIDE OF YEAH. 
          WE CAN'T DO IT OUTSIDE OF WELL, THAT'S MY POINT. 
          GIVE IT DIRECTLY EVEN THOUGH SHE, EVEN THOUGH SHE'S GIVE IT DIRECTLY TO JACK, SEND SEND ANY INPUT DIRECTLY TO CITY MANAGER. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO, AND THEN IN A COUNCIL MEETING, SHE'LL UPDATE US AS NEEDED. 
          OKAY. 
          DISCUSSION, UH, ITEM G DISCUSSION REGARDING 
          [BUSINESS - G]
CITY COUNCIL REDISTRICTING. 
          UM, THIS SHOULDN'T SURPRISE US. 
          IMMENSE GROWTH WITHIN THE CITY. 
          UM, THE DISTRICTS ARE GONNA GET OUT. 
          WE KNEW THIS COMING IN DISTRICTS, WERE GONNA GET OUTTA WHACK PRETTY QUICK. 
          SO IN LIGHT OF TIME TONIGHT, I JUST WANNA ASK ONE, MAYBE BYRON CAN ANSWER THIS. 
          THERE ARE STIPULATIONS ABOUT REDISTRICTING THAT WE CAN'T EVEN GO REDISTRICT UNTIL WE HAVE A CENSUS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE SO, UM, YEAH, THE LIMITATION, WELL, YOU CAN, YOU CAN REDISTRICT ANY TIME YOU'D LIKE, YOU JUST HAVE TO DO IT PROPERLY. 
          UH, IT'S EASIEST TO DO PROPERLY WHEN YOU RELY ON THE CENSUS FIGURES. 
          UM, BUT IF YOU CHOOSE TO REDISTRICT ANY OTHER TIME, UH, BESIDES THE CENSUS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SIMILAR RELIABLE DATA SO THAT, UM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STICKING WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE, UM, THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT, WHICH ESSENTIALLY JUST TO PARAPHRASE IT AS ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO DRAW YOUR DISTRICTS IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T DISENFRANCHISE THE VOTING POWER OF ANY PARTICULAR PERSON THAT IS ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER OF A BOUNDARY LINE. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE A CONSULTING GROUP TO COME IN TO HELP US DRAW THOSE BOUNDARIES. 
          AND SO IT WOULD BE COSTLY TO 
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THE CITY TO DO SO. 
          I, I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO, TO, TO PUT THIS OUT THERE TO AVOID I I'M JUST SAYING WE, WE'VE NO, NO, I'M, I AGREE. 
          I AGREE THAT WE'RE HAVING A LOT OF GROWTH. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE FACTS. 
          UH, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHEN, AS WE SEE THESE DEVELOPMENTS COME IN MAYBE A YEAR. 
          I THINK THE, I THINK THE OTHER POINT IS, IS THAT IN THE REQUEST FROM COUNCIL MEMBER POOL, IF WE COULD LEAVE BY EIGHT, EIGHT O'CLOCK, I WOULD SAY THAT NONE OF THIS IS HAPPENING FOR THE UPCOMING ELECTION. 
          WE HAVE FURTHER TIME TO DISCUSS THIS AND TALK ABOUT IT. 
          AND SO I THINK WE SHOULD TABLE THIS FOR ANOTHER MEETING. 
          YOU CAN MAKE THAT MOTION, UH, TO TABLE SHOULD YOU CHOOSE. 
          I WILL MAKE ONE COMMENT, ONLY ONE COMMENT. 
          WHEN WE DID THE CALCULATIONS FOR THE CURRENT DISTRICTING, WE KNEW THAT WE WERE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO REVISIT THIS, UH, 2000, 20, 25 ISH, RIGHT? YES. 
          UM, AND WE PUT THESE AS THE TWO SMALLEST DISTRICTS WERE WHERE ALL WERE ONE AND FIVE, KNOWING THAT FIVE WAS NEARING COMPLETION OF BUILD OUT BY ITS CURRENT BOUNDARIES. 
          UM, AND THEN ONE WHICH IS WE KNEW WAS GONNA BE THE LARGEST DISTRICT WHEN WE DID THAT. 
          SO THAT BEING SAID, UM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS DISCUSSION FOR THE NEXT GENERAL MEETING. 
          REGULAR MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE, UM, BY MR. GAVI, A SECOND BY MS. JOHNSON TO I'M NOT MS. JOHNSON. 
          MS. KATES TO TABLE. 
          UM, THIS UNTIL THE NEXT REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING. 
          SO THE FEBRUARY THE THIRD, TUESDAY IN FEBRUARY. 
          ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THERE IS NONE. 
          THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          UM, MOVING ON TO, UH, ITEM 10, CONSIDERATION, 
          [CONSIDERATION AND POSSIBLE ACTION RELATING TO ABSENCES]
POSSIBLE ACCIDENT RELATING TO ANY ABSENCES. 
          ARE THERE ANY ABSENCES WE NEED TO ADDRESS? YOU'LL BE BACK FOR THE REGULAR. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          WITH THAT, I'LL TAKE ONE LAST MOTION. 
          MAY I MAKE A MOTION? WE ADJOURN? OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION ON MR.  SECOND BY MR. POOL TO ADJOURN AT 7:52 PM ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 23RD. 
          UH, ANY ALL IN 7 52? I ALREADY SAID THE TIME. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? THERE IS NONE. 
          UH, WE STAND ADJOURNED. 
          7:52 PM ON TUESDAY, JANUARY 23RD. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          HAVE A GREAT EVENING.
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